Even traitor John Kerry could find vets to stand by him. So what?

Traitor, how? Nice one swifty.

McCain supports vets by being against them getting a college education.

I think it is fine to be a Veteran and support one man over the other but, please do not use Veterans to bash your opponent. I know the GOP has the history of using Veterans to bash the Dems but that does not make it right. After 2004 Mr. Bush should be ashamed of what he did to a Veteran but please keep us from doing this to another Veteran. I personally am not voting for Mr. McCain but I am NOT going to bash the man. He served honorably and that is that.

Support either candidate, but any Veteran, Democrat or Republican that questions the other candidate’s patriotism publicly or criticises a candidate in a public forum as a representative of the Veteran community… well stand by. You will get what you deserve eventually, the non hackers always get caught.

I am tired of POGs disgracing the honor of other Veterans that serve our Country and our Corps and not some individual politician.

Oh and Mr. Kasoff, I did not vote for Mr. Kerry and do not agree with his politics but I hope I meet you some day to make you pay for calling a man who served honorably a “traitor”.

I cannot describe on this blog what I really think of you but I pitty your family for sharing the same blood line as a coward like you.

I believe Marine said all that needs to be said.

I am not a veteran. I know many, and with a lower lottery number, I might have gone. I agree whole heartedly that trendy Patriotism needs to cool its tool when it comes to speaking for, or about Veterans. Some things speak for themselves. Service to one’s Country is one of them.

I did not serve but I would personally like to thank you and everyone else that did serve our country Marine and SMSgt and that does include Sen McCain. My son and son-in-law both served in the Marines, my son did not have to go to Iraq however my son-in-law did. He don’t talk about his experiance there and I won’t ask him. My daughter says he wakes up at night crying. It breaks my heart to see what has happened to so many of our men and women. God Bless the men and women that have served and are serving to keep us free.

I was never so disgusted as when I saw people wearing purple heart bandaids during the Republican National Convention in 2004 mocking Sen. Kerry’s purple hearts.

Nick, you never cease to supprise me. Bubba

““..Senator McCain has not laid out a plan to responsibly end this war. That’s not what the veterans I know in Missouri are looking for,” Evans said.”

Maybe Mr Evans could spell out Obamessiah’s plan for VICTORY, to date, he has only talked about ending the war in Iraq, never victory.

Adam, could you explain to me how Obamessiah can say that the surge has worked but would vote against it again today? Isnt he saying that success in Iraq is not important to him?

Para Von Meceum..Obama simply wants to deploy our few remaining troops that aren’t exhausted in the best possible manner. I can’t understand why folks like you and Nikki have such a problem with intelligent folks who want to change the course of this sad ship that is present day american foreign policy. We are still discussing things that should have been solved in the ‘nam days. Pro war isn’t pro troops. And why aren’t all you healthy men serving instead of posting here if you want the status quo of only pale connected males ruling? Who better to serve than you oh so wise ones?

Favored sons, are ya? When do you think your boy McCain will admit he will have to have a military draft to do what he wants to do in the sands? Why do you follow a war monger who never REALLY served and wouldn’t listen to military leaders? Makes no sense. We have two red state boyz who got where they were by having pushy connected fathers, and who let the grunts do most of the “ending up with nothing benefit collecting” while they thrived.

No foreign policy and no economic policy. And few decent folks to help him with what he does not know. He doesn’t even know how much he doesn’t know. Just like Bush. Meanwhile, Obama is surrounding himself with some very respected folks with some good policies in both areas. As a patriot, I know who I will vote for.

Sorry Nikki…maybe you can borrow my red pumps. That always makes you happy to be able to sway when you walk. Smile!

AJH, I am glad you brought that up about the vets’ education monies. That shows what McCain REALLY thinks of the troops. That they are in it for the money. And a lot of the folks DID join to get college money. Or to avoid jail time. I know of military parents who encouraged their kids to go in with a degree to be officers right off. Then when this occupational craziness started, they did not want THEIR kids to go to Iraq. Go figure. He was right in some cases, but that bit of his true thoughts did not jive with his “all military service is for high honor and we all love the smell of napalm in the morning” stance when that is convenient for him to say. Somebody ask him just how many troops does he think we will lose if they get education monies and decent treatment. I’d like to know.

Any guy who can collect gov’ment pay and benefits AND military benefits AND social security is an A-HOLE deluxe for talking about denying educational money to anybody. Much less vets. I see your true colors shining through…I see your true colors shining through…and that’s why I despise you…sing along with me repub propaganda slingers!

Note this, please. McCain/Jackson entry by Jake discussed more of Col. Jackson’s Lt. Gov. ambitions and ‘frustration’, not veteran’s issues or national securitiy issuesor McCain’s comments and comments by supporters. Jo’s entry above quotes liberally from the self referencing press release by the Obama campaign. Bias? It seems so to me, but may be too sensitive to pro Obama bias, since I find it everywhere, as do many others that are centrists and open minded observers. Note also, I am a strong McCain supporter.

Accurate history should indicate that McCain has been criticized by the left netroots for many alleged failings as a Naval aviator and POW, even the comment by Gen Clarke, that heroism in an POW camp is not a credential for public office. Also, Pres. Bush was savaged by the left for alleged issues as a reserve pilot during the Vietnam War. Further, Bob Dole’s heroism in WWII and after was ignored by the MSM.

In this instance, retreat and redefining defeat is not a good policy, in my opinion. My father was a career military vet with service and the Bulge, Normandy, Korea and Matsu and we would often talk about national security issue. He was a republican who respected Scoop Jackson. Where are the Scoop Jacksons of the dems now? Personally I have worked in multiple veteran’s hospitals and wards taking care our nation’s finest citizens.

Unfortunately, the Dems have decided to allot more benefits to vets instead of supporting their mission, hoping this will cloud the issue for voters. They are partially successful. Benefits are good and important, but supporting the military missions is more important, it is as if one says to your son, I support the players and getting more uniforms but I will not suppport your coach, the defensive line coach, or their goal of victory in the games against opposing football teams. I am voting for John McCain and a stronger national security in the global war against terrorism, where now the center of the action is our successful campaign in Iraq and Afghanistan, where things are heating up again as they shift terrorists from defeat in Iraq to Afghanistan. Obama should truthfully admit he was wrong about the surge, and McCain (against all odds, alone, courageous) was correct.

I am a military vet. with a U.S. serial no., I still have my DD250 which shows that I have a honorable discharge. I will be supporting another military vet. in Nov. and it will not be Sen. Obama.

Your position is not a supprise Kennrick and thank you for serving our country. As for me I’ll be voting for Sen. Obama.

MoActiveGOP you start out your post “Accurate history should indicate that McCain has been criticized by the left netroots for many alleged failings as a Naval aviator and POW, even the comment by Gen Clarke, that heroism in an POW camp is not a credential for public office.”

The actual quote from Gen. Clark was “Everybody admires John McCain’s service as a fighter pilot, his courage as a prisoner of war. There’s no issue there. He’s a great man and an honorable man. But having served as a fighter pilot _ and I know my experience as a company commander in Vietnam _ that doesn’t prepare you to be commander in chief in terms of dealing with the national strategic issues that are involved. It may give you a feeling for what the troops are going through in the process, but it doesn’t give you the experience first hand of the national strategic issues.” The least you can do is get the quotes right.

Do you really want to discuss President Bush’s war time service or a lack there of?

I offered my comments to show that attacks on vets have been often been performed by the left, not the right, as was being suggested in earlier posts.
More examples, Dick Durbin’s comparison of US troops in Iraq as Nazis, Kerry’s suggestion that only the uneducated go to Iraq as US troops, etc. Your renewal of the attack on Pres Bush in your last sentence proves my point, I think.

I summarized Gen Clarke’s comment and I thank you for the complete quote, in essence I do not think I have misquoted him, his point was that Sen McCain’s service is not a credential for public office since he believes strategic decisions and knowledge is not inculcated by service in the trenches, foxholes, and in a cockpit at 10,000 feet at 400mph.

I just disagree with that. As Gen Clarke points out, and I think you will agree, being in danger, mastering fear and mustering courage with your unit and seeing first hand the horrors of war is vital in those who decide to place men and women in harm’s way. Here, there is an advantage to McCain over Obama based on my argument, and Gen Clarke’s comment in his final sentence. Obama disavowed Clarke’s statement and tossed him from the campaign trail, I think after the comments were made.

Further, lets look at the major strategic decision of our recent time, the surge policy in Iraq. John McCain was correct, and his courage led to looming victory and more success in Iraq, he stood alone against his own party, the defense dept, all the democrats the fawning press and Obama, who will not even now admit his mistake.

Advantage, McCain. Credit Pres Bush for listening to Sen McCain and opting for a change. Fair is fair, after all and we should say so if it is true.

Obama’s national security sense of ’strategery’is not there. McCain has got it, and I respect the heck out of it.

MoactiveGOP, The you named two attacks from the left, how many from the right against John Kerry? How many against Max Cleeland? How many against Pat Tillman? I only brought up President Bush’s military record after you did and I posed it as a question not an attack.

The Dems have voted for every penny requested by the Bush administration to run this war. They had to include a GI Bill of Rights to the last war funding request by the president just to get the republicans to vote for it.

You are entitled to interpret Gen. Clarks quote anyway you like. I posted his exact words please feel free to flex them to fit your view.

Sen. Obama was right from the beginning, he was opposed to the war. That was a critical decision that has gone wrong and cost this nation 4,125 of it’s finest. In my opinion Sen. Obama is wrong, the surge is making a difference. I am just glad to see President Bush has decided to set a “general time horizon” to bring our troops home. Oh, quick question, does that mean that the President is “cutting and running?”

Sen. McCain has it? And you respect it?? Umm, you do remember these words from Sen. McCain said it was “common knowledge and has been reported in the media that al-Qaeda is going back into Iran and receiving training and are coming back into Iraq from Iran, that’s well known. And it’s unfortunate.” A few moments later, Sen. Joseph Lieberman, standing just behind McCain, stepped forward and whispered in the presidential candidate’s ear. McCain then said: “I’m sorry, the Iranians are training extremists, not al-Qaeda.”

Or this one? Asked by Diane Sawyer whether the “the situation in Afghanistan in precarious and urgent,” McCain responded: “I think it’s serious. . . . It’s a serious situation, but there’s a lot of things we need to do. We have a lot of work to do and I’m afraid it’s a very hard struggle, particularly given the situation on the Iraq/Pakistan border.”

Yes Sir, I am truley inspired by Senator McCain’s vast expertise on foregin policy. Oh here’s another one for good measure.

“During a July 14th Town Hall meeting in his home state of Arizona, Senator McCain referred to the country of “Czechoslovakia”, which has not existed since it was divided into the Czech Republic & Slovakia back in 1993. This alone would not be a big deal, if Senator McCain hadn’t made reference to the non-existent country again just two days later during a Town Hall meeting in neighboring New Mexico.”