Ed Martin and the anti-abortionists are nothing but a bunch of Karl Rovian fear mongers trying to scare what they perceive as an ignorant electorate into voting for the republicans in the Missouri elections. They have the anti-abortion hot button voters by a ring in their noses and they’re trying to drag them through the muck of lies about democratic candidates. Funny how those who should be united by a hot button issue like this can’t work with this putrid group of republican fear propagandists. The electorate has a short memory but Ed Martin should be relegated to the slop heap he came from. He and his band of conivers have no credibility whatsoever among right minded individuals who can think for themselves.

They should check into the membership of the new group and see if anyone is on the terrorist watch list. After all, people like these have a history of bombing health clinics and murdering doctors.

Wow … people who think abortion is a bad thing decide to form a PAC to get like-minded people elected to office, and they’re “fear mongers” and try to “drag them through the muck of lies about democratic candidates,” not to mention that anybody that is against the killing of unborn babies must have “a history of bombing health clinics and murdering doctors.”

You people are pathetic.

No, Jim, you people are pathetic….”would likely support euthanasia for our seniors.(?!!???)” I support euthanasia for this group with Mr. Martin receiving the first dose. It is obviously too troublesome for them to live in a world where women have some reproductive freedom if they have to resort to utter fabrications like that.

Right Jim (R)…they’re just a simple, caring, and thoughtful PAC…
These people are ruthless and hateful zealots…
They abuse children by forcing them to hold signs and posters of legal medical procedures….They shoot doctors in the back and hide explosives in alleys…..They make women who are can’t afford to raise a family [in this Greedy Republican economy] feel guilty….

They want to determine for others what is right and wrong by throwing God into the equation….They make the majority of us sick.

You’re one of them.

Garrison, you continue to prove to us all what an absolute idiot you are!

Have you ever seen Ed Martin or anyone else associated with this new organization doing any of the things you’re suggesting?

After all … what is wrong with wanting to prevent the death of an unborn baby?

Penelope … I don’t know where you’re getting the euthenasia aspect, possibly from some other site — but since when is respect for innocent human life such a bad thing?

Your disgusting comment suggesting that Ed Martin should be put to death puts you in the same pathetic category as your brother Garrison.

Ed Martin has done more to divide the pro-life movemnet than Roe v. Wade.

What’s wrong with protecting the life of an unborn baby, you ask? Nothing, except that isn’t what anti-choice groups do. Do the research and you will see that banning abortions under the law doesn’t cause a decline, it only results in back-alley unsafe abortions that put women at great risk. Proof? Romania. Additionally, anti-choice candidates typically oppose comprehensive sex education, birth control, plan B, etc. Republicans don’t want people to have abortions but they also don’t want to teach people how to prevent them in the first place. Does anybody else smell a discrepancy there? There is an established link between full education (aka not abstinence-only) and the decline of unintended pregnancies. Pro-choice groups aim to make abortion “safe and rare.” This isn’t about protecting children. This is about forcing personal/religious ideology onto political structures, and it’s wrong. Ed Martin may not be bombing clinics or shooting doctors, but he isn’t certainly isn’t doing anybody a service. Sorry Jim. I don’t buy it.

Finally someone will be out there talking about the REAL issue people should be voting on - not the economy, energy, war, etc.

I’m not selling a bill of goods, so there is nothing for you to buy.

While there are many issues that are far more important to most people than abortion, shouldn’t the basic principle of respect for innocent human life be high among them? The issue of banning abortion isn’t about trying to create an atmosphere of “dangerous back-alley abortions” in the United States. It’s a basic principle of respect.

Those of us who are NOT religious zealots, but who happen to abhor abortion, believe it is the taking of innocent human life, and that is the end of it. There is really no discussion about it. The only thing that baby asked for is the right to be born and hopefully make something of their life. You treat him/her like they were nothing more than a pile of protoplasm swimming around in an unwilling woman’s body–a cancer that she should rid herself of at her whim.

You want to preach that it’s about rights to her own body, let her do drugs. Why are so many people turned off when they hear stories of crack babies, or here in St. Charles, where a woman drank her baby essentially to death before she delivered, and the baby died afterward. Are you really just being hypocrites about this?

Most people who are against abortion do NOT advocate the bombing of abortion clinics or the killing of doctors who perform abortion. But damn, we sure wish people would spend a little bit more time being responsible with their lives and their bodies, so that they won’t be putting themselves in the position of having to snuff out an innocent life.

willys - mlgb - Penelope - Garrison - LJ - RiM … you guys OWN the abortion issue. Enjoy!

Be certain to wear your shoe covers and scrubbies, it’s a messy business defending unrestricted abortion/life termination. Remember to throw around terms like propagandists, liars, domestic terrorists, etc., when challenging your opponents. Again, Enjoy!

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Abortion should be illegal, plain in simple. If that involves putting pregnant women and/or doctors in prison, so be it. That is the logical conclusion to my position and I stand by it.

Jim the R said “But damn, we sure wish people would spend a little bit more time being responsible with their lives and their bodies, so that they won’t be putting themselves in the position of having to snuff out an innocent life.”

Well, most of the folks in this group are also people who are against comprehensive sex education. How are people to know how to be “more responsible with their lives and their bodies” when we are not teaching them?

Jim, the original post indicates the quote about euthanasia for old people is directly from the statement by Ed Martin. I don’t expect you to follow any links, but for the love of god, read the post before you comment on it. Your recent post makes no sense, railing against legal abortion and then encouraging women to drink or drug their babies to death. Bob Z, the world in which therapeutic early term abortion takes place is not as messy as you and your ilk like to fantasize about, although it is certainly better than where women and girls would assuredly go when abortion at any stage of fetal development becomes a felony. You’re not going to stop it, you are only going to make women who choose that alternative more desperate and remove the option to seek a safe, sanitary procedure by a qualified medical provider. As for the woman that drank her baby to death in hours of delivery, I am sad for the baby that had to endure even that much abuse and hopelessness after she had surely reached the stage of development at which she could feel pain and express her own will to live. That is the logical consequence of your absolutionist position on the sanctity of any product of human conception. The story would have had a much less tragic ending had her mother sought an early term abortion and gotten on with her life of self-destruction.

“…the world in which therapeutic early term abortion takes place is not as messy as you and your ilk like to fantasize about”

Penelope, elective or therapeutic early-term abortion is not as messy as… late-term abortion? Oh. Well that’s better. Less of the icky factor to wrestle with, eh?

It’s your crowning issue Liberals/Democrats. You own it. Wear it proudly.

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I, and probably most of the pro-choice majority, will allow that elective late term abortion is not a cause to champion, which is why we don’t advocate or argue for it. Roe v. Wade made it clear that post-fetal viability abortion regulation by the states was then and remains appropriate. Obviously you oppose legal, safe, elective abortion at any stage, so I guess by your logic that makes you a champion of girls and women mutilating themselves with coat hangers and other non-sterile instruments or simply poisoning their unborn babies with drugs and alcohol and having them come into the world DOA. Talk about icky. You’d rather own and wear that?

Some of you are just idiots. Others only see what they want to see.

The U.S. Supreme Court, in Roe V. Wade, did say that the government could control what a woman does with her body. They regulated her suposed right to get an abortion; didn’t they?

Can a woman get an abortion in the third trimester? NO

Prior to delivery, the unborn child was determined to be protected life.

It was the docile chimps known as citizens of this country that were willing to accept a judge, not a physician, when it comes to determining when you are alive and when you are not. -We should have revolted.

Prior to Roe, the courts had already determined that a pregnant woman was to be known as being “quick with child”. At 4 to 6 weeks, the “quickening” began with kicking and other movement of the fetus. The malicious removal of that fetus was known as an abortion.

Just for the record, I said “…people like these have a history of bombing health clinics and murdering doctors.” Not “Anybody who is against abortion” as Jim(the republican) wrongly quoted. You need only look back at the hateful speech of your republican friends in previous entries to find reference to all who support a woman’s right to choose as “baby killers”. So Jim, please spare us the melodrama.

“…and would likely support euthanasia of our seniors.” - Ed Martin.
Oh, Gosh, Mr. Martin - does this mean my kids will be voting for Mr. Nixon?
Horrors - and after all I’ve done for them !

How ludicrous is his statement - guess the Jeff City Reps will again be putting out vilifying ads, particularly in the 15th Senatorial District and the 94th House District, just as it did in 2006, huh.
Those were some really despicable ads - but that’s what we’ve come to expect from the Grand OP - whoops - formerly Grand OP…

Jim, only a sick f- would claim that Jay Nixon would support tax dollars for abortions and “likely euthanasia.”

Since you support these extremists who are trying to remake the anti-abortion movement in Missouri into a wing of the state GOP, you are the same!

As for the GOP, and Palin-McCain:

http://dangerousintersection.org/2008/09/07/why-practicing-catholics-should-vote-for-barack-obama-not-for-john-mccain/

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