Knuckle-heads and Ditto-heads;
When the McCain ad tells you Obama is going to raise your taxes, just remember he’s only raising taxes on the 5% of Americans who are stealing your pensions.

What would the Limbaugian conservatives say if labor bosses were bringing in $330 million dollar pay packages and the taxpayers were putting up $700 billion to keep the unions in business?

I suppose they wouldn’t complain because that’s the Republican idea of capitalism and free-markets?

I am against any type of government bailout/handout. First, the government doesn’t have the money. Second, if you can’t compete, you lose.

With that being said, Garrison, how many jobs has any union created? How many do the unions employ? Serious questions, how about a serious answer.

Annemarie, I “threw a dart” and picked one of the bills you mention: The Darfur Peace and Accountability Act. There were 38 co-sponsors. Obama may have been one of them, though. Good leadership.

The Strengthening Transparency and Accountability in Federal Spending Act of 2008 was sponsored by Obama and co-sponsored by McCain.

D., it is true that the ads against McCain distort the truth…but so do Obama’s ads (most recently the Spanish ad mentioning McCain’s ties with Limbaugh and Limbaugh’s words taken out of context). I read the bill in question regarding Obama’s support for sex education in all grades and do think it’s open to debate. The bill clearly changes the education from 6th grade to Kindergarten but does relate to inappropriate sexual contact as well as “age appropriate” teaching. I don’t trust the NEA to establish what is “appropriate” for children..they have screwed up our kids for way too long and have promoted alternative lifestyles for 20+ years. So, in that way, I would say Obama was on the wrong end of the bill. BUT, he did not, necessarily, support teaching sex ed to Kindergartners.

Now, if you could also use that fancy website to debunk your beliefs about Sarah Palin, which you tend to throw out falsehoods about, we can have a real discussion on what the candidates stand for.

As for Factcheck.org, the Annenberg Public Policy Center of the University of Pennsylvania seems to be bipartisan, however, before Fox News became successful, much of the country believed that CBS, NBC, and ABC were bipartisan and people trusted anchors like Walter Cronkite and Dan Rather, believing them to be bipartisan. Wolf Blitzer, Charles Jaco, and Katie Couric tried to pass themselves off as real journalists but have also been exposed as closet liberals (actually, Katie Couric came out and admitted her dislike for conservatives years ago). So, while the Annenberg Public Policy Center may try to be bipartisan, one must still question the editor of the articles they publish…as one should do with all editors.

— Logicprevails
“one must still question the editor of the articles they publish…as one should do with all editors.”

This is always the best practice just make sure that when you question your have removed your own blinders or blindfold.

SVPPB (by the way Vegetus was wrong, more later elsewhere) -
Below are some of the more responsible sites for those political junkies who cannot get enough of the “facts”:
http://www.factcheck.org/
http://blog.washingtonpost.com/fact-checker/
http://politifact.com/truth-o-meter/
http://www.issues2000.org/default.htm
http://www.opensecrets.org/ — focuses on the “money trail”
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/

then there are some of my favorites:
http://www.rightwingwatch.org/
http://www.splcenter.org/index.jsp

Of course, given the general anti-science and anti-logic tenor of most political discussion, it would seem that one is entitled to say that: “when the facts contradict what one believes, then quite possibly it is the facts that are wrong not one’s beliefs.”

Now STL, you know we all look at information with blinders on, always hoping to pull the best out of the information to support our own theories. That’s what is so great about these blogs, because we usually cannot believe the other side is missing the information we “see”. This Friday’s debate along with the Palin/Biden debate are going to be the most watched debates in our history, I bet, and on Monday, we’ll all be discussing what we “saw” versus what the other side “saw”.

Of course, the difference here is that what I see is correct! lol