I guess I would just add also that I found her use of the word also to be provocative of thoughts of running screaming from the room also. I was also struck with the winking. Not so much that it was creepy coming from her because I am used to women trading on their sexuality in subtle ways in our culture. Rather, it was not what I expected from a potential vice president who, by most accounts, is aspiring or should be aspiring to the gravitas implied in having been selected for the second most powerful office in the most powerful country on the planet. Also, for a gal that was (or at least whose supporters were) so deeply “offended” by the lipstick on a pig reference - having nothing to do with her except she’s the only one on either ticket that wears the stuff - she should probably not have done the wink knowing full well that Biden absolutely could not have done it without rightfully being called out as creepy…on account of his gender.

“…not what I expected from a potential vice president…” — Penelope

Penny is suffering from a case of Ovary Envy

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What about “you betcha” and “nucular”?

SMC- Palin didn’t address Obama because she knows nothing about him or the issues. She didn’t actually say anything of substance. She performed better than expected, but that’s not saying much. Can you imagine her meeting with other world leaders and WINKING at them? What a joke!

BobZ.- She has a perfectly legitimate point. Sarah Palin has absolutely nothing of which any free thinking woman, which I assume Peneploe is, would be envious. Especially her reproductive organs. You’re an idiot for making that remark.

— RoFe
“Cheney did NOT assert the office was not a part of either branch — that mangled assertion was put forth by Peter Yost/AP writer. Cheney asserted it was a part of both the Legislative and the Executive branches.”

“. . mangled assertion . .”?
This is an opinion.
If you have something credible provide us a link

I searched again and still didn’t find anything to refute the article
“This summer, Cheney chief of staff David Addington told Congress the vice president belongs to neither the executive nor legislative branch of government, but rather is attached by the Constitution to Congress. The vice president presides over the Senate.”

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080921/ap_on_go_pr_wh/cheney_lawsuit

The article is even supported by one from FOX - “We Report. You Decide.”
“The lawsuit stems from Cheney’s position that his office is not part of the executive branch of government.”
http://www.foxnews.com/wires/2008Sep21/0,4670,CheneyLawsuit,00.html

“Conceivably the Electoral College could select McCain as President and Obama as Vice President.”
and what odds would it take before you’d bet on that event?

And Now, Let’s Play Jeopardy

Sarah Palin provided this answer during the VP Debate

“Well, our founding fathers were very wise there in allowing through the Constitution much flexibility there in the office of the vice president. And we will do what is best for the American people in tapping into that position and ushering in an agenda that is supportive and cooperative with the president’s agenda in that position. Yeah, so I do agree with him that we have a lot of flexibility in there, and we’ll do what we have to do to administer very appropriately the plans that are needed for this nation. And it is my executive experience that is partly to be attributed to my pick as V.P. with McCain, not only as a governor, but earlier on as a mayor, as an oil and gas regulator, as a business owner. It is those years of experience on an executive level that will be put to good use in the White House also.”

Please Provide Your Response Making Sure It Is In The Form Of A Question

What Was John McCain Thinking?
o How does anyone know what Sarah is saying?
o Her answer above is a big blob of babbling gibberish just like most of her answers

John McCain’s judgement must be seriously flawed.
He thinks she has the credentials to be a heartbeat away from the Presidency.
On day#1

Play more Jeopardy at this link
http://elections.nytimes.com/2008/president/debates/transcripts/vice-presidential-debate.html

“The article is even supported by one from FOX” — STL
Are you a Dolt? It’s the same Peter Yost/AP article.

“If you have something credible provide us a link” — STL
You sound like a dismissive little ovary-envying snot.
And using the Royal “us” — puh-lease.

With which of Joe’s errors are you comfortable?

The Biden Error/Lie/Hallucination List (UPDATED to 22) ~Jim Geraghty

THE CONSTITUTION: Biden: “Vice President Cheney’s been the most dangerous vice president we’ve had probably in American history. He has — he has — the idea he doesn’t realize that Article I of the Constitution defines the role of the vice president of the United States, that’s the executive — he works in the executive branch. He should understand that. Everyone should understand that.”

As noted by the McCain Camp, Article I of the Constitution does not, in fact, define the role of the Vice President of the United States. It defines the role of the legislative branch, otherwise known as the branch in which Joe Biden has served for the last 36 years.

[A reader writes in noting that Article I does mention the veep at one point — "The Vice President of the United States shall be President of the Senate, but shall have no Vote, unless they be equally divided." However, by describing the veep's role in the legislature, it doesn't really help Biden's claim that it "defines the role, that's the executive, he works in the executive branch."]

IRAQ-AFGHANISTAN SPENDING: Biden said that the U.S. spends more in Iraq in one month than it has in Afghanistan in six or seven years.

That figure is off by 2000 percent.

‘KICKED HEZBOLLAH OUT OF LEBANON’: Biden: When we kicked — along with France, we kicked Hezbollah out of Lebanon, I said, and Barack said, ‘Move NATO forces in there. Fill the vacuum, because if you don’t know — if you don’t, Hezbollah will control it.”

Reuters thinks he meant to refer to Syria, but I still don’t think it would be accurate to say the U.S. kicked Syria out of Lebanon. The Lebanese kicked Syria out of Lebanon.

VIOLENCE AGAINST WOMEN ACT: Biden’s statement that McCain voted against the Violence Against Women Act is accurate. But as Robert Byers notes, the Supreme Court ruled in United States v. Morrison, the Court ruled that much of Biden’s law was an unconstitutional power grab by Congress of rights reserved to the states. Nobody voted against the WAWA because they support violence against women; they objected over constiutional concerns that a Supreme Court majority validated.

The McCain camp’s list fourteen lies/hallucinations can be found here.

UPDATE: As I suspected, there are others.

RESTAURANT: “Look, all you have to do is go down Union Street with me in Wilmington or go to Katie’s Restaurant or walk into Home Depot with me where I spend a lot of time and you ask anybody in there whether or not the economic and foreign policy of this administration has made them better off in the last eight years.”

According to this Delaware site, Katie’s Restaurant is no longer in business; locals remember it on Union Street 25 to 30 years ago.

ARMS CONTROL TREATY: Biden: “Number two, with regard to arms control and weapons, nuclear weapons require a nuclear arms control regime. John McCain voted against a Comprehensive Nuclear-Test-Ban Treaty that every Republican has supported.”

I have no idea where Biden gets this “every Republican has supported” claim, as 49 other Republican senators voted ‘no’ with McCain.

When the roll was finally called on October 13, the resolution to ratify the CTBT (including the six safeguards that Daschle had submitted as an amendment) was defeated by a 51-48 vote with one abstention. (See the voting record.) Forty-four Democrats voted for ratification as did four Republicans: John Chafee (R-RI), James Jeffords (R-VT), Gordon Smith (R-OR) and Arlen Specter (R-PA). Fifty Republican senators and one independent (Robert Smith of New Hampshire) voted against ratification, and Senator Robert Byrd (D-WV) voted “present.” The treaty fell 19 votes short of achieving the necessary two-thirds majority necessary for ratification.

WEST BANK ELECTIONS: Biden: President Bush insisted on elections in the West Bank, when I said, and others said, and Barack Obama said, ‘Big mistake. Hamas will win. You’ll legitimize them.’”

The Washington Post’s Glenn Kessler notes that “Obama had been a senator for only a few days when the election took place, but if he made such statements, they did not appear in news reports or transcripts that are contained in the Nexis or Factiva databases.”

PAKISTANI WEAPONS: “Pakistan already has nuclear weapons. Pakistan already has deployed nuclear weapons. Pakistan’s weapons can already hit Israel and the Mediterranean.”

I won’t quite chalk this up as a lie/hallucination, but Biden is on shaky ground here. (See below.) The distance between Israel and Pakistan is 2,085 miles, or 3355 kilometers. The longest-range existing strategic missile in the Pakistani arsenal has a range of 3000 kilometers, but it might have longer range with a lighter payload. (But how much can you lighten a nuclear payload?) They are working on developing longer-range missiles; maybe Biden knows of some development that public sources do not yet know about. Theoretically, the Pakistanis could put the weapon on a boat and then sail it to the target, but by that standard, any site on a coast in the world is within their range.

ANOTHER UPDATE: This site indicates that the top range of Pakistani missile that can carry a nuclear warhead is 1000 miles. By being off by 1,000 or so, I’m now upgrading this to full lie/error/hallucination status.

— RoFe
“childish personal attack
. . . . . Dolt. - - Hmm, is that you Go_Fish? or AJ?
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didn’t respond to ” . . mangled assertion. . “?
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google - no link
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Here’s some help with that link thing that you don’t seem to get
Sample link: http://www.stltoday.com/blogzone/political-fix/presidential-candidates/2008/10/check-out-sarah-palin-and-joe-bidens-vp-debate-speech-words/all-comments/#comments
btw - The National Review is not credible cause it’s very biased
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Ok, let us rein this in by providing a summary to date.
The original issue was about the duties of the VP in our constitution

o He got them right

o She did not have a clue
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Your computer skills are amazing
But your credibility is short
Please post for all of us
Your next retort

To Stephanie and Penelope,
I would urge you to completely refuse to engage BobZ in anymore discussion. He has proven himself time and time again to be less than competent and so completely moronic that he doesn’t deserve the effort you put into your replies. He’s a sort of straw man who has no substance and is only trying to deceive us all. His head is on backwards. Let him wallow in his own confusion. We can rest assured that his one vote will be more than compensated for by at least three for Obama.

“childish personal attack” — STL

Dolt or no dolt ? … but apparently one of narrow shoulders and shallow chest

“. . Little bitty gaffe? Yes” — STL

Still deciding which of Joe Biden’s many gaffes you’re comfortable defending?
Or…
Maybe you’re searching for more of Peter Yost’s links?

“…help with that link thing that you don’t seem to get”

Link not needed. With paste and author shown , the Royal “us” can see for themselves where STL goes wobbly.

“The original issue was about the duties of the VP in our constitution
o He got them right
o She did not have a clue” — STL

I will say you’ve got tedium covered. Back to the first lesson: The Constitution says the vice president is always president of the Senate (Legislative)
…and both Biden & STL retain a firm grip on Wrong.