Orange crush: Obama treats supporters at Mizzou
Obama gets into the Halloween spirit at Mizzou
Thousands of students crammed the South Quad at Mizzou to see Democratic nominee Barack Obama – somebody even carved him some pumpkins.
Obama will be back in Missouri on Saturday, speaking with wife Michelle at a high school stadium in Springfield.
FOR THOSE WHO ARE INTERESTED, HERE’S THE PREPARED TEXT OF SEN. OBAMA’S REMARKS IN COLUMBIA:
“Thank you, Missouri! Thank you for having us here tonight, in this place named for a good and principled man and extraordinary public servant – someone who was as proud of his tenure on the local school board as his time as Governor of this great state – the late Mel Carnahan. His legacy lives on in the service of his wife, Senator Jean Carnahan, and their children. And I cannot think of a more fitting tribute to his life than to gather here tonight with so many people who love this country and are determined to change it.
And tonight, Missouri, I have just two words for you: five days.
After decades of broken politics in Washington, eight years of failed policies from George Bush, and twenty-one months of a campaign that has taken us from the rocky coast of Maine to the sunshine of California, we are five days away from change in America.
In five days, you can turn the page on policies that have put the greed and irresponsibility of Wall Street before the hard work and sacrifice of folks on Main Street.
In five days, you can choose policies that invest in our middle-class, create new jobs, and grow this economy so that everyone has a chance to succeed; from the CEO to the secretary and the janitor; from the factory owner to the men and women who work on its floor.
In five days, you can put an end to the politics that would divide a nation just to win an election; that tries to pit region against region, city against town, Republican against Democrat; that asks us to fear at a time when we need hope.
In five days, at this defining moment in history, you can give this country the change we need.
We began this journey in the depths of winter nearly two years ago, on the steps of the Old State Capitol in Springfield, Illinois. Back then, we didn’t have much money or many endorsements. We weren’t given much of a chance by the polls or the pundits, and we knew how steep our climb would be.
But I also knew this. I knew that the size of our challenges had outgrown the smallness of our politics. I believed that Democrats and Republicans and Americans of every political stripe were hungry for new ideas, new leadership, and a new kind of politics – one that favors common sense over ideology; one that focuses on those values and ideals we hold in common as Americans.
Most of all, I knew the American people were a decent, generous people willing to work hard and sacrifice for future generations. I was convinced that when we come together, our voices are more powerful than the most entrenched lobbyists, or the most vicious political attacks, or the full force of a status quo in Washington that wants to keep things just the way they are.
Twenty-one months later, my faith in the American people has been vindicated. That’s how we’ve come so far and so close – because of you. That’s how we’ll change this country – with your help. And that’s why we can’t afford to slow down, sit back, or let up for one day, one minute, or one second in this last week. Not now. Not when so much is at stake.
We are in the middle of the worst economic crisis since the Great Depression. 760,000 workers have lost their jobs this year. Businesses and families can’t get credit. Home values are falling. Pensions are disappearing. It’s gotten harder and harder to make the mortgage, or fill up your gas tank, or even keep the electricity on at the end of the month.
And just today, we learned that the GDP, or Gross Domestic Product – a key indicator economists use to measure the health of our economy – has actually fallen for the first time this year. That means we’re producing less and selling less – so our economy is actually shrinking.
Now, this didn’t happen by accident. Our falling GDP is a direct result of eight years of the trickle down, Wall Street first/Main Street last policies that have driven our economy into a ditch.
And the central question in this election is this: what will our next President do to take us in a different direction?
Well, Missouri, if you want to know where Senator McCain will drive this economy, just look in the rearview mirror. Because when it comes to our economic policies, John McCain has stood with President Bush every step of the way. Voting for the Bush tax cuts for the wealthy that he once opposed. Voting for the Bush budgets that sent us into debt. Calling for less regulation twenty-one times just this year. In fact, after twenty-one months and three debates, Senator McCain still has not been able to tell the American people a single major thing he’d do differently from George Bush when it comes to the economy.
And you’ve got to ask yourself, after nine straight months of job losses and the largest drop in home values on record, with wages lower than they’ve been in a decade, why would we keep on driving down this dead end street?
Folks who can’t pay their medical bills, or send their kids to college, or save for retirement can’t afford to take a back seat to CEOs and Wall Street banks for four more years.
At a moment like this, the last thing we can afford is four more years of the tired, old theory that says we should give more to billionaires and big corporations and hope that prosperity trickles down to everyone else. The last thing we can afford is four more years where no one in Washington is watching anyone on Wall Street because politicians and lobbyists killed common-sense regulations. Those are the theories that got us into this mess. They haven’t worked, and it’s time for change. That’s why I’m running for President of the United States.
Look, the biggest gamble we can take is embracing the same old Bush-McCain policies that have failed us for the last eight years.
It’s not change when John McCain wants to give a $700,000 tax cut to the average Fortune 500 CEO. It’s not change when he wants to give $200 billion to the biggest corporations or $4 billion to the oil companies or $300 billion to the same Wall Street banks that got us into this mess. It’s not change when he comes up with a tax plan that doesn’t give a penny of relief to more than 100 million middle-class Americans.
The average working family is $2,000 dollars poorer now than when George Bush took office. When Bill Clinton was president, the average wages and incomes went up $7,500 dollars. So I’ve got an economic plan that is similar to Bill Clinton’s and Senator McCain’s got an economic plan similar to George Bush’s. Look and see what works and what doesn’t.
We’ve tried it John McCain’s way. We’ve tried it George Bush’s way. Deep down, Senator McCain knows that, which is why his campaign said that “if we keep talking about the economy, we’re going to lose.” That’s why he’s spending these last weeks calling me every name in the book. Because that’s how you play the game in Washington. You make a big election about small things.
Missouri, we are here to say “Not this time. Not this year. Not when so much is at stake.” Senator McCain might be worried about losing an election, but I’m worried about Americans who are losing their homes, and their jobs, and their life savings. I can take five more days of John McCain’s attacks, but this country can’t take four more years of the same old politics and the same failed policies. It’s time for something new.
The question in this election is not “Are you better off than you were four years ago?” We know the answer to that. The real question is, “Will this country be better off four years from now?”
I know these are difficult times for America. But I also know that we have faced difficult times before. The American story has never been about things coming easy – it’s been about rising to the moment when the moment was hard. It’s about rejecting fear and division for unity of purpose. That’s how we’ve overcome war and depression. That’s how we’ve won great struggles for civil rights and women’s rights and workers’ rights. And that’s how we’ll emerge from this crisis stronger and more prosperous than we were before – as one nation; as one people. We just need a new direction. We need a new politics.
Understand, if we want get through this crisis, we need to get beyond the old ideological debates and divides between left and right. We don’t need bigger government or smaller government. We need a better government – a more competent government – a government that upholds the values we hold in common as Americans.
We don’t have to choose between letting our financial system run wild, and stifling growth and innovation. As President, I will ensure that the financial rescue plan Congress passed helps stop foreclosures and protects your money instead of enriching CEOs. And I will put in place the common-sense regulations I’ve been calling for throughout this campaign so that Wall Street can never cause a crisis like this again. That’s the change we need.
The choice in this election isn’t between tax cuts and no tax cuts. It’s about whether you believe we should only reward wealth, or whether we should also reward the work and workers who create it. I will give a tax break to 95% of Americans who work every day and get taxes taken out of their paychecks every week. I’ll eliminate income taxes for seniors making under $50,000 and give homeowners and working parents more of a break. And I’ll help pay for this by asking the folks who are making more than $250,000 a year to go back to the tax rate they were paying in the 1990s. No matter what Senator McCain may claim, here are the facts – if you make under $250,000, you will not see your taxes increase by a single dime – not your income taxes, not your payroll taxes, not your capital gains taxes. Nothing. Because the last thing we should do in this economy is raise taxes on the middle-class.
When it comes to jobs, the choice in this election is not between putting up a wall around America, or standing by and doing nothing. The truth is, we won’t be able to bring back every job that we’ve lost, but that doesn’t mean we should follow John McCain’s plan to keep giving tax breaks to corporations that send American jobs overseas and promoting unfair trade agreements. I will end those breaks as President, and I will give American businesses a $3,000 tax credit for every job they create right here in the United States of America. I’ll eliminate capital gains taxes for small businesses and start-up companies that are the engine of job creation in this country. We’ll create two million new jobs by rebuilding our crumbling roads, and bridges, and schools, and by laying broadband lines to reach every corner of the country. And I will invest $15 billion a year in renewable sources of energy to create five million new energy jobs over the next decade – jobs that pay well and can’t be outsourced; jobs building solar panels and wind turbines and a new electricity grid; jobs that will help us eliminate the oil we import from the Middle East in ten years and help save the planet in the bargain. That’s how America can lead again.
When it comes to health care, we don’t have to choose between a government-run health care system and the unaffordable one we have now. If you already have health insurance, the only thing that will change under my plan is that we will lower premiums. If you don’t have health insurance you’ll be able to get the same kind of health insurance that Members of Congress get for themselves. And as someone who watched his own mother spend the final months of her life arguing with insurance companies because they claimed her cancer was a pre-existing condition and didn’t want to pay for treatment, I will stop insurance companies from discriminating against those who are sick and need care most.
When it comes to giving every child a world-class education, the choice is not between more money and more reform – because our schools need both. As President, I will invest in early childhood education, recruit an army of new teachers, pay them more, and give them more support. But I will also demand higher standards and more accountability from our teachers and our schools. And I will make a deal with every American who has the drive and the will but not the money to go to college: if you commit to serving your community or your country, we will make sure you can afford your tuition.
And when it comes to keeping this country safe, we don’t have to choose between retreating from the world and fighting a war without end in Iraq. It’s time to stop spending $10 billion a month in Iraq while the Iraqi government sits on a huge surplus. As President, I will end this war by asking the Iraqi government to step up, and I will finally finish the fight against bin Laden and the al Qaeda terrorists who attacked us on 9/11. I will never hesitate to defend this nation. From day one of this campaign, I have made clear that we will increase our ground troops and our investments in the finest fighting force the world has ever known. Watching our Soldiers, Sailors, Airmen and Marines fight in Iraq and Afghanistan has only deepened my commitment to invest in 21st century technologies so that our men and women have the best training and equipment when they deploy into combat and the care and benefits they have earned when they come home.
I won’t stand here and pretend that any of this will be easy – especially now. The cost of this economic crisis, and the cost of the war in Iraq, means that Washington will have to tighten its belt and put off spending on things we don’t need. As President, I will go through the federal budget, line-by-line, ending programs that we don’t need and making the ones we do need work better and cost less.
But as I’ve said from the day we began this journey all those months ago, the change we need isn’t just about new programs and policies. It’s about a new politics – a politics that calls on our better angels instead of encouraging our worst instincts.
What we have lost in these last eight years cannot be measured by lost wages or bigger trade deficits alone. What has also been lost is the idea that in this American story, each of us has a role to play. Each of us has a responsibility to work hard and look after ourselves and our families, and each of us has a responsibility to our fellow citizens. And that’s what we need to restore right now – our sense of common purpose, of higher purpose.
Yes, government must lead the way on energy independence, but each of us must do our part to make our homes and our businesses more efficient. Yes, we must put more money into our schools, but government can’t be that parent who turns off the TV and makes a child do their homework. Yes, we can argue and debate our positions passionately, but all of us must summon the strength and grace to bridge our differences and unite in common effort – black, white, Hispanic, Asian, Native American; Democrat and Republican, young and old, rich and poor, gay and straight, disabled or not.
In this election, we cannot afford the same political games and tactics that are being used to pit us against one another and make us afraid of one another.
Despite what our opponents may claim, there are no real or fake parts of this country. There is no city or town that is more pro-America than anywhere else – we are one nation, all of us proud, all of us patriots. The men and women who serve on our battlefields may be Democrats and Republicans and Independents, but they have fought together and bled together and some died together under the same proud flag. They have not served a Red America or a Blue America – they have served the United States of America.
It won’t be easy, Missouri. It won’t be quick. But you and I know that it is time to come together and change this country. Some of you may be cynical and fed up with politics. You have every right to be. But despite all of this, I ask of you what has been asked of Americans throughout our history.
I ask you to believe – not just in my ability to bring about change, but in yours.
I know this change is possible. Because I have seen it over the last twenty-one months. Because in this campaign, I have had the privilege to witness what is best in America.
I’ve seen it in lines of voters that stretched around schools and churches; in the young people who cast their ballot for the first time, and those not so young folks who got involved again after a very long time. I’ve seen it in the workers who would rather cut back their hours than see their friends lose their jobs; in the neighbors who take a stranger in when the floodwaters rise; in the soldiers who re-enlist after losing a limb. I’ve seen it in the faces of the men and women I’ve met at countless rallies and town halls across the country, men and women who speak of their struggles but also of their hopes and dreams.
I still remember the email that a woman named Robyn sent me after I met her in Ft. Lauderdale. Sometime after our event, her son nearly went into cardiac arrest, and was diagnosed with a heart condition that could only be treated with a procedure that cost tens of thousands of dollars. Her insurance company refused to pay, and their family just didn’t have that kind of money.
In her email, Robyn wrote, “I ask only this of you – on the days where you feel so tired you can’t think of uttering another word to the people, think of us. When those who oppose you have you down, reach deep and fight back harder.”
Missouri, that’s what hope is – that thing inside us that insists, despite all evidence to the contrary, that there are better days ahead. If we’re willing to work for it. If we’re willing to shed our fears. If we’re willing to reach deep down inside ourselves when we’re tired and come back fighting harder.
That’s what kept some of our parents and grandparents going when times were tough. What led them to say, “Maybe I can’t go to college, but if I save a little bit each week my child can; maybe I can’t have my own business but if I work really hard my child can open one of her own.” It’s what led immigrants from distant lands to come to these shores against great odds; what led those who couldn’t vote to march and organize and stand for freedom; that led them to cry out, “It may look dark tonight, but if I hold on to hope, tomorrow will be brighter.”
That’s what this election is about. That is the choice we face right now.
Don’t believe for a second this election is over. Don’t think for a minute that power concedes. We have to work like our future depends on it in this last week, because it does.
I know this, Missouri, the time for change has come.
And if in this last week, you will knock on some doors for me, and make some calls for me, and go to barackobama.com and find out where to vote, if you will stand with me, and fight by my side, and cast your ballot for me, then I promise you this – we will not just win Missouri, we will not just win this election, but together, we will change this country and we will change the world. Thank you, God bless you, and may God bless America.
I’ve got a CRUSH on Obama!
Obama Girl, crushes are fun but they don’t last. But if Obama becomes President, abortion will be legal in America FOREVER thru his Supreme Court appointments. Obama has also promised that the first thing he will do as President is sign the Freedom of Choice Act which will strike down Missouri abortion laws. I am not a Republican and I almost exclusively contribute to Democratic political leaders locally. But even if I had a crush like yours on Obama, I could not live with that blood on my hands.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pf0XIRZSTt8
Bill Hannegan,
How did you feel about the “pro-life” republicans in Missouri cutting 100,000 poor people off of Medicaid? How did you feel about “pro-life” Matt Blunt removing oxygen coverage from Medicaid? How do you feel about poor people dying from oxygen depravation? How do you feel about the Texas Futile Care Law signed by George W. Bush while he was Governor of Texas, which gives hospitals the right to remove life support, against the famiy’s wishes, if the patient is on Medicaid or cannot pay? Can you live with that blood on your hands? And how did you feel about the republicans in Missouri cutting off every penny of funding for family planning clinics for low-income women, so they can prevent a pregnancy that they know they are not ready to handle for whatever reason?
Lisa12, my grandfather ran the St. Louis Democratic Party and FDR’s New Deal was the Hannegan family religion. I am not glad for many Republican policies!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_E._Hannegan
I am glad for any taxes that truly help take care of poor, sick people. But I cannot vote for a guy who will make it forever legal to kill our kids. Sorry.
Bill, would you want the blood of your wife or daughter on your hands if either were to try to carry a pregnancy to term that was a fatal threat to their lives? I’m sorry to tell you that such issues are seldom black and white and ethical decisions are never quite as simple as we would like them to be. But no worry, you are exempt from ever having to make such a direct and difficult decision because you will never be pregnant from being raped or will never be pregrant even when you tried to prevent it because it is a threat to your life.
Irene, my wife works at Our Lady’s Inn, a crisis pregnancy shelter in the City that sees all the hard cases. Our Lady’s Inn holds that abortion is never truly necessary or justified, and that Obama’s support of the Freedom of Choice Act is wrong. My wife’s work against abortion often spills over into our personal home life. Recently we have had two brothers who were born through incest stay with us. They were beautiful children and the world is so blessed that they were spared death through abortion.
These days pregnancies ended by abortion in order to save the life of the mother are very, very few. I don’t think Obama had these in mind when he promised to sign the Freedom of Choice Act.
TWO brothers??? Nobody did anything about this incest situation after the FIRST baby??? Is the perpetrator in jail yet, I hope???
Just curious. What happened to these brothers? You say you kept them for “a while.” Are they in foster care? Adopted? Are they with their mother?
I know a young woman who was a victim of incest. Her father was the sexual abuser, and he went to jail for it (abused her sister, too). Since her mother was an alcoholic who physically abused her, she was put in foster care. At 18, she was on her own. No money. No car. Not even a driver’s license (her foster parents didn’t want her to learn how to drive). What has happened since could fill a book, but her life is a tragedy. She now has a baby and a toddler, and I think child neglect would best describe her parenting abilities. Drinking. Partying. Leaving the kids with her alcoholic mother for days on end (yes, the mother that physically abused her). Some people just shouldn’t be parents.
Bill,
I do think it is great that you and your wife do work to help those who are in trouble. But I disagree 100% with your desire to force your views on everyone else. It really seems pretty simple to me: Hate abortion — don’t have one.
Lisa12, by the time we got involved the crimes had already happened. The perpetrator is now dead from unrelated causes. The brothers were happily adopted together by a family. They are doing fine.
Bill, I know you have heard all the arguments, and you will never be swayed. Good for you. We should all have something we believe in with such strength of our moral convictions. The bottom line is that you don’t have the moral authority to make that decision for me or any other sentient human being. The fact that you want to - but clearly lack the capacity to find yourself in any situation in which you are the ultimate decider - speaks volumes about your character. I will make another online donation to the Obama campaign this morning.
“The fact that you want to - but clearly lack the capacity to find yourself in any situation in which you are the ultimate decider - speaks volumes about your character.”
Perhaps it’s time for the men of this state/country to accept the above statement. As such, they should be permitted to mitigate their damages caused by the night (3 minutes) of pleasure.
Men should be able to be “pro-choice”, and, in all cases, be permitted to relinquish all rights and responsibilities by filing a certification of such, after which, half the cost of an abortion would be the maximum associated cost passed to the potential father.
If I cut you, and you refuse to have it treated, you can’t come after me for additional cost after the wound gets infected. You have a duty to mitigate your damages. The same should apply to pregnancy.
Something tells me your song will change when “EQUAL PROTECTION UNDER THE LAW” is applied.
That’s what this debate is all about to you Waldo? All you have to do, all you have ever had to do, is disappear or deny paternity or be a deadbeat if all else fails. And thank God that men like you have never had the ultimate responsibility for the psyche of this little being that to you only represents 3 minutes of pleasure (a little weak if you ask me, BTW) and a monthly payment. The right to early termination IS equal protection.
Legal abortion forever? No more threats to those rights? No more silly statutory regulations on it? My body, my choice forever? Sounds fantastic to me.
Isn’t it great to have Missouri get this much attention from our national candidates? Go Barack!
No Catholic should ever support Obama because of his stance on abortion. You Catholics out there, until the Pope says otherwise, it’s a sin to kill the baby and pro-abortion supporters should not be taking communion.
While logicprevails dreams of dictating what women may do with their reproductive organs while presuming to tell fellow Catholics how to vote and worship, let me just say that there are a number of Protestant faiths that do not hold parishioners hostage in the voting booth or at the communion table and would welcome you.
Penelope, it’s not me telling Catholics what to do…it’s the Pope.
Wait a minute Penelope!
You don’t get to have it both ways.
As a man, living in your twisted little world, I’m not going to sit back and let you determine when my sperm created a parasite or a life, determined solely by your “mood du jour”.
The law considers that little life to be a parasite that “YOU” have the right to remove. Since I participated, I should be required to share the cost of making you whole. If you decide to grow that parasite, without my consent and participation, the burden to continue your experiment should be shouldered by you and you alone.
Yeah, those anti-choice guys want choice to be THEIRS, but not YOURS. I challenge them to take care of the kids that are here. Most step on by them while shouting down others. They prefer to let folks suffer and kill them later through unjust occupations fueled by excess of testosterone, greed and foolishness. They take a hundred problems and vote for someone who will control women’s bodies while a hundred other issues affect us more negatively. It’s all about control, not about life. Your sweetie Barbie Spice Palin thinks family planning clinic bombers have a righteous cause, and she doesn’t think they are terrorists. The reporter tried to clarify her silly remarks and she repeated her senseless, cruel drivel. if you have ever pulled someone out from under a shattered glass window, or watched silly fundies disrupt a funeral for their own willful, bigoted, hateful reasons, you can understand why I don’t tolerate this ignorance well. EVOLVE PEOPLES…god wants you to. He/she is tired of waiting. It’s interesting how many anti-choice folks get busted in child molestation cases. I think we have discovered their true aim. More meat…fresh victims.
So you think McCain supports child abuse/molestation more than Obama? You’d probably be right about that if you are making this election a catholic issue. After all, they prevent victims from getting justice, thereby saying chile molestation is an important perk from uncontrolled breeding they want to keep. McCain cheated on his wife. Several times. That’s more catholic? He takes three incomes off of the back’s of suffering taxpayers when he needs none of them. Reminds me of the pope. Yeah, guess catholics would do better to vote McCain. After all, his VP choice thinks family planning clinic bombers have a righteous cause. Problem is, you expect me as a single person to support your spawns you can’t afford. Every perk we hear about lately helps folks who choose to crank out more kids. No help for us singles who choose to be prudent and who love our animal species and lands. We are destroying forests with our breeding and will soon be butt to butt. God gave you brains and a means to avoid population explosions. Why not use it? It is not morally right to destroy species and precious farmlands to overbreed like fools. You one trick ponies need to help the kids who are here. You travel to foreign lands to get a light enough baby while many here suffer. It’s about control. Men will still terminate their mistresses’ pregnancies while spouting about anti-choice. Like married swingers who have gay sex while denouncing gay rights, you are hypocritical. You want women to go back to being barefoot and pregnant. How many of you would rape your women if they refused you sex rather than chance another pregnancy? Many of you do from what we hear in the clinics. It’s all about control, not love of life. You LACK…god knows you LACK!
Bill, silly Bill…
Hey Bill…what about all those women dying from breast cancer because insurance doesn’t pay for mammograms, while that same company pays for viagra pills for men. I never heard of a lack of a chubby killing sanyone. Goe an opinion on that Billy Boy? Your boy McCain didn’t care about that situation. Quit trying to control people with your false arguments and pass out some birth control.
— Logicprevails
‘No Catholic should ever support Obama because of his stance on abortion. You Catholics out there, until the Pope says otherwise, it’s a sin to kill the baby and pro-abortion supporters should not be taking communion.”
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Are you Catholic?
I sincerely doubt it as your posts don’t read like it.
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Well I am and I voted Obama weeks ago.
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I cast my vote after I used all the tools I was given to weigh the many complex issues and then vote my mind. I voted for the candidate that I concluded will be best for my country and best for this world.
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God knows there are tradeoffs in life and that the decision making process is infinitely more complex than the simple binary model of the world that false shepherds and their surrogates frequently present to us. Instead, our world is full of of an overwhelming number of issues that are of various shades of gray rather than in the simple binary model of black and white.
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The decline of our country over the past 8 years has been clearly highlighted by our current economic crisis that started coming to our attention about 18 months ago. The economy is the easiest way to catch our attention because it is the language easiest for us understand - it affects the livelihood of ourselves, our family, our charities and our country.
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The economic crisis crystalizes for us the devastating results of blindly following the false shepherds and surrogates that specialize in the use of FUD (Fear, Uncertainty and Doubt to suggest our eternal damnation in an effort to influence our vote for a candidate that states a position in agreement with the shepherds position on a single issue.
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The tunnel vision of these false shepherds and their surrogates suggests that their primary agenda is no longer to improve our family, our country and the world, rather it has evolved into an effort to advance their agenda, an agenda that includes mind control via the threat of eternal damnation.
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Voters - do not rely on the binary model that the false shepherds and their surrogates suggest be used to decide your candidate of choice. Rather think over the many complex issues in this world and base you decision on what is best for you, your family, our country and the world.
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God gave us a brain and the free will to exercise our brains. If God wanted us to follow a shepherd blindly like sheep he would have covered us with wool and given us a tail.
— Logicprevails
Don’t fall for it from — STL … he’s a repackaged D.Walker
“I sincerely doubt (you’re a Catholic)…”
“God knows there are tradeoffs…”
“the binary model…”
“false prophets…”
Imagine that, STL telling you you’re faith is false.
And HE’s the one not long ago that was belittling Sarah Palin’s special needs child.
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There is a thoughtful letter to the editor from a Catholic sister who is voting for Obama on this very website.
Sometimes, voting for life is about more than choice
by Sister Mary Ann McGivern, S.L.
St. Louis
Sara not Palin,
Wow, you sound like a person ready to move to China!!The Chinese govt is very keen at dictating how many children people should have. Sounds like you would like a say in that process as well. As far as your comment about expecting you to pay for other peoples spawns, are you onboard with BHO’s tax policy of expecting succesful people to pay for other people who aren’t so succesful? Most, and I say “most” successful people worked hard to get to where they are. Should they pay for others who are not or have not??
STL or Lisa12 or any other Sen. Obama Supports,
What has Sen. Obama DONE so far to show us the kind of President he will be? I do not want the talking points from the party. I want to know what you think he has accomplished so far in his life that leads you to believe in him.
He has never lead anything according to his resume’. His advisory circle include Franklin Raines (former head of Fannie), J Wright (his former pastor that hates the US and all that it stands for), Bill Ayres (admitted domestic terrorist and board member of a far left educational fund that has spent over $50 Million dollars on Chicago area public school and they are still failing).
Claire is his whipping girl and while she was endorsing Judy Baker, she said that you can tell a lot about the type of congresswomen she would be by the company that she keeps and has kept in the past. I would then assume that we can say the same about potential President Obama?
Sen. Obama continues to say what he is going to do when he becomes President. In 20004 he campaigned on giving the middle class a tax break. I am middle class and have yet to see the bill that he has introduced to give me or anyone else a tax break. His congressional record is easy to see, as it has very little on it, shows he has voted 94 times to increase taxes. Never once has he voted to lower any taxes on anyone.
I hope that a tiger can change his stripes as his past stripes have shown one thing and his talking points indicate something else.
STL, you follow your shephard blindly as I have been telling you for weeks. Since you have yet to provide me with any of Obama’s accomplishments and answer with more half-truths about Palin, it tells me that you really have no idea what he has done in his life.
As for Sister Mary Ann’s vote, she is defying her leader. As a Catholic, we are to follow our Pope, which is a major tenent of our religion. I haven’t seen what McCain’s stance is on capital punishment, but I have seen what his stance is on abortion. I’m not sure how Catholics can defy our Pope and still be able to call themselves Catholic but I guess being Catholic really means being Catholic when it’s convenient. As for me, I was baptized a Roman Catholic and ended up being raised a member of the United Church of Christ due to my mom. I came back to the Catholic faith years ago. STL, your comments imply that I haven’t been very Catholic in my posts. I have been very clear, we Republicans/Conservatives support programs that help children and those that cannot help themselves. What we don’t believe in doing is helping those that choose the path of laziness. Throwing money at people that can work for it doesn’t help…it only empowers them to continue to live off the backs of others..which isn’t very Christian.
Oh..and I never saw Barack Obama at the United Church of Christ down the street from his school. I guest it wasn’t politically expedient to be a member then.
It’s all about the Ice Cream-comments from a third grade teacher:
The most eye-opening civics lesson I ever had was while teaching
third grade in 2000. The presidential electionwas heating up and
some of the children showed an interest. I decided we would have
an election for a class president. We would choose our nominees.
They would make a campaign speech and the class would vote. To
members. We discussed what kinds of characteristics these students
should have. We got many nominations and from those, Jamie and
Olivia were picked to run for the top spot. The class had done a
great job in their selections. Both candidates were good kids.
I thought Jamie might have an advantage because he got lots of
parental support. I had never seen Olivia’s mother. The day
arrived when they were to make their speeches Jamie went first. He
had specific ideas about how to make our class a better place. He
ended by promising to do his very best. Every one applauded. He
sat down and Olivia came to the podium. Her speech was concise.
She said, ‘If you will vote for me, I will give you ice cream.’
She sat down. The class went wild. ‘Yes! Yes! We want ice cream. ‘
She surely would say more. She did not have to. A discussion
followed. How did she plan to pay for the ice cream? She wasn’t
sure. Would her parents buy it or would the class pay for it. She
didn’t know. The class really didn’t care. All they were thinking
about was ice cream. Jamie was forgotten. Olivia won by a land slide.
Every time Barrack Obama opens his mouth he offers ice cream, and
60% percent of America reacts like nine year olds. They want ice
cream. The other 40% percent know they’re going to have to feed
the cow.
— Sca
“What has Sen. Obama DONE so far to show us the kind of President he will be? I do not want the talking points from the party. I want to know what you think he has accomplished so far in his life that leads you to believe in him.’
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Well, for starters and not necessarily in any order
Courage
Hope
Organization
Demeanor
Presidential
Role Model
Trust
Integrity
Transparent
Intelligent
Predictable
Steady
Strong
Core Values
Family Values
He has never lead anything according to his resume’. His advisory circle include Franklin Raines (former head of Fannie), J Wright (his former pastor that hates the US and all that it stands for), Bill Ayres (admitted domestic terrorist and board member of a far left educational fund that has spent over $50 Million dollars on Chicago area public school and they are still failing).
Claire is his whipping girl and while she was endorsing Judy Baker, she said that you can tell a lot about the type of congresswomen she would be by the company that she keeps and has kept in the past. I would then assume that we can say the same about potential President Obama?
Sen. Obama continues to say what he is going to do when he becomes President. In 20004 he campaigned on giving the middle class a tax break. I am middle class and have yet to see the bill that he has introduced to give me or anyone else a tax break. His congressional record is easy to see, as it has very little on it, shows he has voted 94 times to increase taxes. Never once has he voted to lower any taxes on anyone.
I hope that a tiger can change his stripes as his past stripes have shown one thing and his talking points indicate something else.
— Sca
“What has Sen. Obama DONE so far to show us the kind of President he will be? I do not want the talking points from the party. I want to know what you think he has accomplished so far in his life that leads you to believe in him.’
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Well, for starters and not necessarily in any order
Courage
Hope
Organization
Demeanor
Presidential
Role Model
Trust
Integrity
Transparent
Intelligent
Predictable
Steady
Strong
Core Values
Family Values
Doesn’t make mistakes in posting in PD forums
— Logicprevails
“Oh..and I never saw Barack Obama at the United Church of Christ down the street from his school. I guest it wasn’t politically expedient to be a member then.’
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and how does this piece of nonsense affect me or affect anything?
because you didn’t see it was not there?
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ever seen an atom?
believe they exist?
yeah, me too
STL,
Well, for starters and not necessarily in any order
Courage
Hope
Organization
Demeanor
Presidential
Role Model
Trust
Integrity
Transparent
Intelligent
Predictable
Steady
Strong
Core Values
Family Values
Doesn’t make mistakes in posting in PD forums
Again you have not named anything that he has accomplished. You have simply named traits that you personally believe he has. Not all of us share your opinions. And that is all that they are, OPINIONS.
Please let me know ANYTHING he has done that helps me consider him as a viable candidate. Accomplishments only.
Wow. I think this falls under the category of DAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
http://www.ksdk.com/news/local/story.aspx?storyid=159088&catid=18
— SCA
“Please let me know ANYTHING he has done that helps me consider him as a viable candidate. Accomplishments only.”
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It’s at this link
http://tinyurl.com/6p4xm4
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I’m not into spoon feeding babies, so if you really care you’ll use the info
I’m also not into busy work so you can get your jollies