“Never count out an abortion bill in the Missouri Legislature.”

That about says it all, doesn’t it?

Unemployment is through the roof, people are losing their homes, people–living people–are dying because they don’t have health care…and what does the Missouri legislature focus on?

We have to have the most useless state legislature in the country. I kid you not. How many jobs has this state lost because of these crackpots in the legislature? How many opportunities have we lost?

Same thing will happen to this bill as has happened to the others. In the meantime, jobs are being lost, people are losing their homes, or dying unnecessarily.

Right on Shellyp. These guys are useless and completely divorced from the real problems facing Missouri. Are abortion and a lack of guns on college campuses really the most pressing problems? There are going to be alot more abortions if people don’t have jobs to support their kids.

shelly p,

while you are worried about missourians “dying” from not getting enough healthcare, some are worried about unborn missourians dying as well….get a clue

How about a law to abort members the bar!

Thank god Cynthia Davis and her crazy ideas are termed out soon.

I really think the Missouri legislature has lost it! The previous posts give me some hope for the voting future.

Can’t wait to see all the crock pot religious nuts to start chiming in. Open the flood gates and bring on all your religious rhetoric!

“Can’t wait to see all the crock pot religious nuts to start chiming in. ”
Why do you have to be a nut to believe human life starts at conception?

Sure we have lots of other issues in this state, but it’s not like this is the only bill they are working on at the moment.

If you are in a car crash and you kill a pregnant mother, you are charged for the wrongful death of 2 individuals; the mother and her unborn child. Yet she could be driving to a clinic grind that thing up and flush it out, as though it were just some sort of weird growth.

I think in time we will look back on all of this with pity. This will be a dark blot in our past. We should focus on contraception not abortion.

I for one am glad that our legislature thinks this is something they need to have on the table to discuss. I think it shows foresight.

I personally know that there are places where people can go 7 days a week to get food and shelter in MO. No one is “Dieing on the Streets” because of our economy! That is awfully dramatic.

you have to love the post dispatch…the next pictoral article next to this one is cute kids….i wonder how cute the kids are when they are torn limb from limb ? Funny how science vacates the so called “progressives” when it comes to killing children…..better review your biology class…after 20 weeks, they feel every horrible atrocity done to them…proud libs ?

crack pot religious jmfree ? better review your biology courses or has science mysteriously escaped you also ?

I wish I was aborted. Stupid life.

“Why do you have to be a nut to believe human life starts at conception?”

Because you base your statements and your beliefs on crack-pot religious convictions and not on hard scientific evidence. Nor do you consider the rights of the woman to choose what she does with her own body as valid. Instead, you choose to inflict your convictions upon society by demanding that the rule of law be based on your ever-hardening crack-pot religious convictions, instead upon a shared sensibility of law. In other words, SECULAR law.

Not everyone believes what you do, but you and some who agree with you are willing to do everything they can, including bending and breaking existing laws, to assume power and inflict this closed-mindedness on those who don’t AGREE with you.

If you don’t like abortion… don’t have one. Teach your children abstinence. Encourage your version of education. But don’t strip the ability of others who disagree with you to choose their own path, which is exactly what this joke of a legislature in Missouri is doing.

“I personally know that there are places where people can go 7 days a week to get food and shelter in MO.”

Do you also know that those places are past their limits? Go see for yourself - watch as they are forced to turn away an increasing number of people who have nowhere else to go. Then get back on your high horse and ride off to your pristine ivory tower.

Like I have said in the past. It is a womans decision. If the radical religeous right wants to offer medical, pre/postnatal care, fund adoption services, psyciatric care for the mothers being forced to have children, show us the money.

The right wants to control but they don’t want to pay the price. They don’t want to support social programs but they want to dictate what we can and can’t do. Christian prayer in school. You won’t see right wing radicals promoting Islam any time soon.

These nuts can shove off.

i see science has managed to escape pjb too…..one more time, at 20 weeks, the children can feel themselves being ripped to shreds….sorry this is the inconvenient truth, but don’t kill the messenger, oh, wait, that is just what you enjoy doing

“If you are in a car crash and you kill a pregnant mother, you are charged for the wrongful death of 2 individuals; the mother and her unborn child.”

Well I think that is wrong also. It was clearly a move by the Pro-Live groups to set up just this type of argument.

JMfree didn’t call us “crack pots” - he called us “crock pots”. Slow cookers! Rival or WestBend?

I doubt if a baby in the womb gives one crock about the economy. He’s just wondering if he’s going to make it out alive to have an economy to worry about.

Yet, again, “parents” are being seen as experts on child development and growth. Kudos to good parents who are experts in their children’s lives, but I would think this act insinuates that parent has no definition, and if the definition is becoming a parent a moment of conception–doesn’t the person have the right to say what to do with their body until the first term, as they are now themselves a parent?

Thought 2: Could we also write in an equal clause that coerces minors to have a child on religious grounds? I have seen it happen time and time again, where a parent will promise child-rearing support (falsified support), the advent of miracles (isn’t this coercion), or reinstitute ideations of abuse on raising children. I wouldn’t mention it, except I have seen too many pastors’ children walk through medical doors with psychiatric conditions that are not resolved, abusive patterns remain, and yet they get away with their actions by talking on the pulpit about this group belief. Where is the parent mentoring in that?

ksiefert48 - You just prove my point. Welcome to the nut club!!! You must be a charter member. Your argument on science could easily go the other way. I’m assuming you ignore science when the subject of embryonic stem cell research comes up? How convenient!

I had always vote Republican until claire ran and I had to vote
Demonrat because Immoral minoritie was intruding in my bedroom.
Now they are telling me again to vote for the demonrats.
I’m see the republicans as a gathering of loons, they stick
to one calling and keep losing????????
I see 2010 slipping away from any hope while my Ex party
sucks up to the bible belt.

yeah, proved your point jmfree, just ignore the science, and i can see the perverse joy you get ripping humans limb from limb knowing they can feel every moment of your desired torture. You must have been one of those kids who loved tearing wings off of insects. Enjoy your “progressiveness” even though your science tells you otherwise. Your response made “0″ sense, and is devoid of fact, ethics and logic. After that, at least your are entertaining in your ignorance of the subject

still waiting for a “progressive” to justify the torturous murder of tearing these children limb from limb knowing they can feel it. all you have is “a mother’s choice ?” You ignore the science so very conveniently…it really shows your ignorance, callousness, and frankly lack of education.

Fre2rply and ShelleyP - BRAVO! Missouri has one of the lowest rates of abortion in the country. Ninety-six percent of Missouri counties have NO abortion provider. And still, THIS is the useless garbage that our legislature wastes its time on?!

When will the pro-life nutters turn their attention to the thousands of needy children who have already been born? The kids in foster care, the kids who live in poverty - do THEIR lives not matter? When a tiny mass of cells becomes more important than a living, breathing, born child, it’s obvious somebody’s priorities are way out of whack!

Regardless of your views on abortion…please just show me the evidence that coercion of an abortion is a problem in Missouri???

good one north county nan, please address knowing the children can feel themselves being ripped to shreds at 20 weeks and your argument may hold some water……..or you just don’t care ?

Come on guys: one post each please…
This is a forum for discussion, not a shouting match.

ksiefert, please address how you know definitively that unborn fetuses can feel pain? Did they tell you?

Also, please share with us the statistics on abortions actually performed at 20 weeks. Nearly 90% of abortions take place in the first 12 weeks.

i am not going to do your homework for you north county nan, look it up yourself, but i am sure the majority of haters on this site prefer the comfort of their ignorance instead of pointing and clicking “google” again, amazing how you progressives selectively use your science. Its all out their, just click and read……..

I’ve never read so many statements that claim to be based on science, but are completely void of any scientific basis.

A zygote contains the DNA of both the mother and the father. It is human DNA, and is therefore…HUMAN.

The zygote is biologically alive. It fulfills the four criteria needed to establish biological life:

1. metabolism
2. growth
3. reaction to stimuli
4. reproduction (division)

What we have is human, and it is alive. The fact that the unborn child is a human life is not a matter of scientific debate.

What we have here, is a debate as to the value of one human life vs. that of another human life.

This isn’t the first time our country has had a debate as to the value of one human life vs. that of another. We can look at history. It wasn’t that long ago, that the color of one’s skin was used to determine one’s value. Who went to jail for killing their slave? Didn’t the slave-owner have a right to determine what they did with their own property? -Just like a woman has a right to determine what to do with her own property??

Be honest. Admit that abortion is the taking of human life. Admit that, because the government didn’t prohibit such activity -much like they didn’t prohibit slavery - the value of one human life was considered to be greater than that of another.

Say it! My human life is worth more than that of another. The silent human life won’t argue with you.

and as far as the 12 week axiom you present as fact, i will say this does make me feel better….but i guess for the 300,000 or so that have the fully developed nervous systems at 20 weeks its just way too bad. i have never let my own arrogant estimation of someone’s maturity and intelligence limit the empathy i may have for them. That much is certain….

Life is very important, and should always have a priority. We have the problems we have in this country because we view people who are vulnerable, as weak. The poor have been trampled by the government (certain people) because the government feels itself untouchable. How can we begin to respect other people, convince people not to murder, steal, and other crimes against others, if we cant even have a unified respect for life? When does the sanctity of the Human being come into play? Is a life only worth saving because it was “strong enough” to be born? Is it only wrong to commit crimes when you are poor and destitute?

Wake up people. The bigger problem is a lack of care for the masterpiece that is the Human Being. That begins in the womb. People just dont appear one day out of no where. What pro life people are trying to convince others of is that very fact. We cannot hope to solve other issues until we realize that all life no matter what is sacred.

And to answer the eventual questions, Yes I am catholic, yes I am against gun control (People ought to be able to handle themselves..), yes I am anti death penalty. All life is sacred, and it begins with conception.

umm….didn’t this already get decided with Roe v. Wade? Why are endless hours of legislative time wasted over this issue year after year?

Probably for the same reason hours of otherwise productive time is wasted on posting this on a blog. It gets attention. Too bad there aren’t more important things going on than the ongoing debate on when life begins.

Meanwhile, people that are actually registered to vote and are out of work are struggling to feed their families. Nice distraction, GOP. Thanks for keeping the sheep occupied and away from the curtains. Wouldn’t want them to see the strings and realize there’s nothing actually behind the scenes but smoke and mirrors!!!

Many of the same people who criticize legislators here because they should be dealing with the economy and healthcare are cheering on other legislators for slapping restrictions on smoking, legalizing marijuana, and taxing soft drinks.

yep ncaron, ignore biology, ignore science, and lets get to your selfish needs….how “progressive” of you

I was worried the new supreme court judge would have nothing to do, but not so thanks to the show me state. Isn’t it wonderful that these politicos aren’t wasting their time on budgets or the economy and job creation!!

There are currently 42 countries in the world who have better infant mortality rates than the United States. Maybe the religious right should concentrate on saving the babies that are actually born, rather than focusing so much time trying to strip women of the right to choose.

ksiefert - you wouldn’t know biology or science if it came up and bit you in your self righteous butt. Go away.

still no answer bd……..tearing a human being to bits with a fully developed nervous system is inexcusable…..under any set of rules of science, ethics, or morality…..conveniently ignoring it doesn’t make it go away…….

Given that our state was one of the few to buck the Messiah cult following in November, and given that this step could save even one life - it’s wonderful. Tony, I’m sure you’re upset about this, but then there’s people like Gianna Jessen who survived an abortion - who are living proof that those in the womb have a right to life just as you and I. This is exactly what the Democrats DON’T want you to see:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kPF1FhCMPuQ

Well, Since your brought up Roe V Wade, lets look at this from a purely secular perspective. There was no law that said whether or not abortion was legal, none at all. Roe v Wade, eventually made it legal (thus making it Law, key word is law). Ever hear of Check’s and balances? The Supreme court did NOT uphold a right to choose, as there was no defined right up to that point. What the court did was hand down legislation. Why have a congress at that point if the courts will write laws? Why do I wait in line every 2 or 4 years if the people I elect have their efforts trumped?

So, leaving the “Crack pot religious fanaticism” out of it, hopefully one can see the facts of the matter as well as the morality.

Personally I thought the endless hours on making my local bar smoke free was a waste of time and money for our govt. I did think “isnt their something more important for them to be doing?” The truth is every cause means something to someone.. just cause it aint your cause doesnt make it important. Someday the cause up for vote will be yours, a cause you care deeply about, and someone else will be sitting about complaining about what a waste of time it is. To each his own, then we die.

yeah jmfree, science is a myth, now go back to your cave

Sean,
Actually the Supreme Court has ruled that a person can only be charged with manslaughter/homicide is the fetus has “quickened” … meaning arrived at a point where s/he could sustain life outside the womb without artificial means.

good one ladont, but you can still abort the baby and kill it…wonderful stuff isn’t it ? then of course, its simply a “choice”…..how progressive of you

What is good for you may not always be good for me. I respect your views but this debate should not be politicized. The decision should be left to an individual to determine what is best for them. If you must voice your opinion, please do so but don’t try to take anymore freedom away from individuals.

How about a nice healthcare for the unborn bill? How arrogant to demand attention to healthcare only for those who arbitrarily received the benefit of birth!! Stop looking at the picture with such a prejudiced mindset.

“Think as I think,” said a man,
“Or you are abominably wicked;
You are a toad.”

And after I had thought of it,
I said, “I will, then, be a toad.”
…Stephen Crane

Think as I think, said a man,
Or you are abominably wicked;
You are a toad.

And after I had thought of it,
I said, I will, then, be a toad.
…Stephen Crane

Think as I think, said a man,
Or you are abominably wicked
You are a toad.
And after I had thought of it,
I said, I will, then, be a toad.
…Stephen Crane

Hey “The Truth”.. I’ll say it. Absolutely without hesitation or reservation, if the other human life is growing WITHIN and DEPENDING ON my body for life, then absolutely my life is more valuable that other life.

It’s my choice to have sex. It’s my choice to use contraception. It’s my choice whether or not to have a child. It’s my body. I get those choices.

When the right-wing religious nuts, start taking care of the already born unwanted children and other problems facing current Missourians instead of worrying about potential Missourians, then I might consider listening to them. Right now all they care about is if the new life is born, if that new life has a disability or other needs where are those religious nuts then??!!? Long gone on to their next crusade.

The impportant thing to remember on both sides of the arguement, to use the facts. Simply calling people religious fanatics or progressives does nothing except throw gas on the fire. IN the end, the facts, as shown speak for themselve. So you can say it is about choice. You can as a person believe that your choice is right or wrong, and you alone have to live with that with God Almighty.

Likewise, the greater underlying problem here is something was made legal that a) with a mature person would be illegal b) wasnt a law to begin with, and thus effectively law was written from the bench (something the Forefathers would roll in their graves over). If one looks at it purely from that perspective, its hard to argue, and people resort to the “Choice” arguement. I cant choose to go on a murderous rampage, but I can if I were a woman legally choose to end a life prematurely.

You have to ask yourself, legally, does it make sense. Legally, was it appropriate to make a law to defend a person’s right, when that law didnt exist or was ratified by the people? A good pro choice person can argue it solely on the legality, yet, people on the other side tend to resort to “choice”, when the greater issue is the legal travisty that this was.

yeah thats great erin, and it is my sincere hope it makes you feel better….no matter what the science says, or the ethics, or the morality of tearing a human to bits knowing they can feel every act after twenty weeks…….truly beautiful

Some people seem to forget - what may be the absolute pillar of your personal morality may be a non-issue for others. Throughout history, many cultures have considered abortion a humane and perfectly natural choice. Some cultures even believe that a soul has many opportunities to incarnate, and that aborted/miscarried souls can return to the same mother at a later time.

Perhaps if your understanding of life and death is very rigid - one soul, one life, that’s it - you will be more inclined to oppose abortion. But if you see life and death as a cycle - a learning opportunity that’s repeated many times - the temporary loss of a fetus is just that: temporary.

north county nan, i doubt that the cultures of centuries past had the understanding of human anatomy we have today…..there is simply no excuse for ripping a human being to shreds knowing they can feel this torture… none…….at the very least, the expectant mothers should be told the child can feel pain after 20 weeks, and be given the option of giving the baby some kind of sedative so that he/she does not feel the pain…..this is the very least that should be done…….

north county nan, i doubt that the cultures of centuries past had the understanding of human anatomy we have today…..there is simply no excuse for ripping a human being to shreds knowing they can feel this torture… none…….at the very least, the expectant mothers should be told the child can feel pain after 20 weeks, and be given the option of giving the baby some kind of sedative so that he/she does not feel the pain…..this is the very least that should be done…….

It is my choice, i will deal with my sin if i so choose it. how dare anyone tell me otherwise. did you not see the news last night? they do not have the money to refund the tax payers? Mo needs to get their stuff together, i am a strong republican and vote republican but i believe in pro-choice for me my children and their children!

I find it incredible that the dems are outraged by water boarding –a non-lethal, temporary measure used under a doctor’s supervision to prevent permanent injury or death. While at the same time, they support the brutal dismembering, burning, and skull crushing of a live baby, in the presence of a doctor whose sole purpose is to kill the child. Whats worse is that this is done at the request of the mother.
Now videos of interagations using waterboarding are being released to criminalize those serving our country legally. So, perhaps when americans come to their senses and recognize how evil abortion really is, we should release the videos of those participating in abortions. Too many hypocrytes in this country.

deb, yep……..

Seriously, someone abort me now. Or if not, please tell me what to do and how to think because I can not make decisions by myself. Obviously other people’s opinions are way more important than mine, therefore correct. Well, I got news for you. My opinion matters more than yours! HAHAHAHAHAHA! Beat that!

shelleyp:

It’s all important.

I think the lil boys and girls that are paid extravagant salaries in jeff city can handle more than one bill or idea at a time. Not saying they do a great job of it, and that maybe 2 bills is their limit, but the point is, there is more than 1 bill that has immediate significance.

The legislature needs to keep their noses out of people’s medical decisions that are rightfully kept between an individual & their doctor of CHOICE.

NOt my intent to acuse anyone,if I came across that way, my apologies. I like all am a sinner.

My perspective was from the legality of it. a law was passed that wasnt ever voted on. No congress, no legeslature, just a court.. that is not what this country was founded on. No one ever wants to bring that point up, but its probably the most important.

Likewise, Its important for those who are on the Christian side of this to approach people not on that side with love.

Well…
I dont think that decisions should be made from a Christian perspective or an Atheist perspective.
I guess just from a Moral perspective.

Morally it is HUMAN life that is being taken.
If we were to find anything remotely fetal on Mars; NASA would be jumping up and down screaming; HUMANS were on Mars, HUMANS were on Mars!!
No one would sit down and say: Well I dont know… how old does it look?

Once we establish that it is HUMAN… it comes down to morality.
Sure; It sucks to get pregnant… but ya should have used a condom, or waited will you were ready for the consequences to begin with… I’m sorry if that sucks, but you can give it up for adoption. I dont see why KILLING it cause YOU and some lover of YOURS made a bad choice.

Yes other things are issues to… But its silly to say that tax code is more important than HUMAN life…

I think once the fetus can be removed and grown without the mother this will all be a non issue… but till science catches up with our indiscretion, we will be forced to discuss.

I’m still waiting for those who are so quick to pass judgment to step up and volunteer to take care of the children who would be born to parents who cannot raise them if abortion were outlawed. It’s not always as simple a decision as you seem to think. What of the rape victim? The child who is addicted in the womb? The parents who simply cannot feed the mouths they already have, or who don’t have the resources to care for a special-needs child?

Step up and adopt every child who needs a home. Put your money where your morality is.

“Funny how science vacates the so called “progressives” when it comes to killing children”

This coming from a conservative wing-nut who calls “creationism” or “intelligent design” science. I just consider the source invalid.

All you right-wing neo-nazis know how to do is bleat about your religiosity at the top of your lungs. You do NOT value reputable science, or a well-rounded education, or equal protection under the law. All you value is your own moral turpitude and having supreme control over others, be it through violence, fear, or financial constraint.

If you could read more than one often-misquoted book in your life, I’d encourage you to go pick up some valid science. However, no wing-nuts would dare to utilize critical thinking skills… it might make them *gasp* progressive!!!

funny pjb, i never mentioned religion, just science, and your response is name calling, and insults…..when you argument contains one shred of science, logic, or ethics, lets talk…..until then,

ken

yep “tired of idiots” so the logical next step is to tear innocent children to shreds…..brilliant

Classic. The most vocal anti-choice poster on this thread is a MAN.

once again nan, just ignore the science…..it really is a fine counterpoint

“yep “tired of idiots” so the logical next step is to tear innocent children to shreds…..brilliant.”

The one does not follow from the other. I’m pointing out the hypocrisy of a position that doesn’t take into account the consequences of their moral demands. Or, to turn it back at you: Make every pregnant woman go into labor, whether or not she can afford a doctor; let the surviving children fend for themselves because they’re not my problem… brilliant.

by the way nan, half the children being ripped to shreds are women

yes “tired of idiots” so kill them, we know your final solution

Ken, you can talk science all day. You’re still discussing an issue that you have no direct personal experience with, and never will. Until you’ve bled every month of your adult life, carried and delivered a child, found yourself facing the gut-wrenching decision of whether to terminate an unwanted pregnancy, or dealt with the myriad challenges that women face as “the givers of life,” your opinion on this subject matters very little to me.

“yes “tired of idiots” so kill them, we know your final solution”

I’ve not advocated killing as a solution. Killing chilren, born or unborn, is not the ‘final’ solution… but neither is condemning someone’s choice on moral grounds, then not having the cojones to see the logical consequences and manning up to face them.

What I’m asking you is simple: What will you do with the children?

How many have you adopted?

What shelters do you support with donations?

Those lives you’re so hot to defend in the womb will have to face the world outside it… so, put your money where your morality is. I dare you. Or is it somehow suddenly not your problem? Come on - an honest answer, not some trite one-liner about shredding and brilliance.

Amen, Tired. It’s one thing to take the moral high ground on an issue. It’s something else all together to deal with the practical ramifications of your decisions.

Last time I checked, there was not a mile-long waiting list for those eager to adopt crack babies….or heck, even healthy black babies. I would like to see the number of abortions drop as much as anybody, but until we can assure stable, loving homes for every child who is born, I think it’s best for individuals to decide this difficult issue on their own.

I love the idea of picking up a growler from some place other than one of our local breweries. Don’t get me wrong…love going to Schlafly and bringing a growler home. I always wondered why Cicero’s never sold them and than I found out that you had to produce the beer to sell them. What a great way to bring home some of the great craft and limited release beers. Thank you to Maria…wish I lived in her disctict.
I don’t know how many places have 45 draft beers but draft selections seem to be on the rise everywhere. I hope we see more and more in the future. I new law that I can support….what a good thing.

Birth control should be mandatory. No exceptions. You should have to prove yourself fit to be a parent, before you are allowed to produce your child.

I have high hopes the noxious “coersion” is removed. If coersion is the problem, STOP the coercer dead in their tracks — NOT a woman seeking a LEGAL procedure.

That law would make a woman going to her doctor a victim twice: first she’s got her arm twisted by the original perpetrator, then she’s FORCED to continue a preganancy she may IN FACT wnat to terminate, no matter what anyone else in the world wants (including anyone twisting her arm.)

Punish the coecer, not the innocent woman! Jeez Louise.

I know any opinion other than the most vacant and cruel is unacceptable to you…. Sad and vacant…. And your solution is very final. My way there is hope and compassion

Vacant and sad

Why do people keep arguing over this issue? If your against abortion,don”t have one. Remember..The USA is NOT a Christian nation.

when the selfish, and uninformed stop tearing children to pieces, then the argument will cease. this has nothing to do with religion….no one on this site ever addressed my question….a baby in the womb has a fully developed nervous system byu 20 weeks, and therefore can feel every atrocious act during an abortion. animals have more rights…..this needs to be addressed as a torture issue, and must stop. there is no excuse for this kind of torture…..

Ken, I agree with you. Pro choice people must acknowledge the reality of the “choice” they support. They must answer the question “A choice to do what?”

Some of the pro choice posters are very revealing as to their motives. Selfishness and guilt avoidance. They are the ones that don’t want to in any way to support other peoples babies. Some of them even support eugenics (note the post claiming people not adopting black children). They would rather have them go away before they can see them and sacrifice some of their luxuries for them.

Ken and whm - I did not advocate killing unborn children. I have not argued with Ken’s position that it’s torture to kill a 20-week old fetus that can feel it happening. What I *am* looking for is the non-selfish pro-lifer: the one who doesn’t simply preach their own self-righteous diatribe while refusing to deal with the real moral issues of children who are born but go unloved and uncared-for. Why do you stop defending their lives once they are out of the womb?

The poster who pointed out the low rate of adopting crack babies or even healthy black babies was not arguing for eugenics either. What we _are_ asking is why you don’t put your money where your morality is. How many children have you adopted? How many clinics, shelters, and programs have received your donations? I’ve yet to see an answer - and I don’t really expect to. Making moral pronouncements from your pulpit is easy. Manning up and taking responsibility for their logical consequences isn’t.

Tired of…

Your question is beside the point, but I will humor you. First though what makes you think that pro lifers don’t adopt babies and don’t contribute to shelters etc? Do you have some statistics for all of us? From my experience I know 5 families with adopted children (and are family friends). All of these families are pro-life and account for 11 adopted children. Of the 11, 10 are non-white and 4 have physical birth defects. I am friends with approximately 8 pro-life families of which the five adopting families are a subset.

I have donated twice to “Our Lady’s Shelter” so far this year. I have sponsored a third world child for a period of approximately 5 years.

How does this information effect whether it is okay to allow humans to be destroyed? Are you saying that you don’t think abortion is okay, but it is an acceptable evil since you or someone does not what to be generous?