2 points stick out in Tony’s article…

1.) The July 15 event is at the St. Louis Club in Clayton and will cost $1,000 to get in.

2.) The bill doesn’t eliminate the secret ballot, but takes away the employer mandate, and makes other regulatory changes that tilt the union forming process in labor’s direction. Unions argue that under the current system, employers face no legitimate repercussions for intimidating employees against forming unions.

now…

which side is the average, middle-class, American worker on?

If you thought yourself an average, middle-class American worker and you belonged to the UAW — how’s that working out for you ??

Who killed the Golden Goose if not the UAW Senior Management Team?

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The Corporate Party will meet for $1,000 a plate at a Clayton Country Club to hear Karl Rove bash American workers. Rove will do this under the guise of his insideous concerned for workers rights.
Why is Rove concerned about workers rights? He never cared about wokers before.
Rove held a similar event in Peoria where 40 scab employers and rat businessmen showed up while hundreds of union workers protested outside.
Rove & Co. lied about Iraq. Lied about torture. Lied about deregulation. Lied about U.S. Attorneys. Lied about the economy….But now, Rove is telling the truth about EFCA.
For $1,000, I hope he does his “Rap Dance” for the country-club smacks.

A recent Cornell study reveals 92% of private sector employers force workers to attend closed-door captive audience meetings where they are forced to hear anti-union propaganda…80% of employers require supervisors to attend training sessions attacking unions where they must discuss anti-union attacks to the employees they oversee.

If a union organizer mentions the word “UNION” on the job-site, he’s fired.

Oh, well…As long as it’s a level playing field.

Garrison,

–You still haven’t explained this little gem:

“Did you ever notice many the same people who deny the truth about climate change also question Germany’s extermination of the Jews in 1930? Is there a pattern here?”–GARRISON–

–You have proven with this and other posts, that you are wantonly lacking in sense or decorum. Why should anybody respond to, or even read your ridiculous posts?

The only saving grace about this event is that the only people who will hear Rove are people he already has under his spell. He will be preaching to the choir. Now what should happen is that any union member that has anything to do with the St. Louis Club will refuse to perform their jobs that day. Everyone call in sick. No deliveries, no utility service and repair, etc. That would get their attention.

Or have all the union BA’s buy a ticket and ask Karl some questions.

Dryan, I bet if Rove is asked questions he won’t need a teleprompter to answer.

–Nice job of obfuscation.

–To say the “bill doesn’t eliminate the secret ballot” may be true semantically. But the “changes” you speak of will make the union the “chooser”, not the employee.

–The simple fact is that the option will never be executed because of the way the bill is written.

–Do you really think that a union will take the path of most resistance?

–Do you really think the union will elect not to have the NLRB recognize the union by simply providing signed cards?

–As this bill is proposed, the EFCA will eliminate the secret ballot.

–The writer’s of this bill have come up with a clever and deceitful way to represent the word “choice”.

D.Bunkery…It’s just my personal observation from listening to Ditto’s on Rush or talking to wacky neighbors. Man didn’t walk on the moon. Germany didn’t execute 6 million Jews…and climate change is a hoax.
The same people who believe George W. Bush was one of our greatest presidents.

Mr. ill-logic…Union leaders and others from across the country have challenged Rove to a debate on EFCA…Want to guess his response?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ln5RD9BhCo

“…It’s just my personal observation from listening to Ditto’s on Rush or talking to wacky neighbors. Man didn’t walk on the moon. Germany didn’t execute 6 million Jews…and climate change is a hoax.”-Garrison-

–Funny, I listen to Rush regularly, as well as Dennis Miller, and others from the opposite perspective. Have never heard one conversation that included even a remote passage to any of this.

–But there is a long record of idiotic statements from you, such as this, so was just wondering where you get your “inspiration”.

–Admittedly am surprised you actually tried to justify it, but in reading your “justification”, am not surprised at your delusional response.

–At least everybody else can also see what a fool looks and sounds like.

Bob Z can you point out exactly who the UAW Senior Management Team is? Can you tell me how many cars and trucks the UAW designed?

I’ll go through this once again for all of you. The UAW’s cost per vehicle is less than 10% of the total cost, the same today when the “Big 3″ are struggling financially as it was when the Big 3 were making record profits. If it’s the labor costs of the UAW driving the Big 3 into bankruptcy then how do you explain the huge losses reported? They are not UAW.

The Employee Free Choice ACT gives the decision on whether or not to have a secret ballot to the employees and forces the company to recognize the results of the choices made by the employees. The UAW had a sucessful organizing drive at St. Clair Tool and Die years ago. The company refused to recognize the collective bargaining rights of their employees and was able to keep the UAW out of their plant. No penalty, no fine, no recourse for the employees that WANTED to belong to a union.

You are hilarous Logic Prevails. When you have nothing to say you trot out the old “teleprompter” gig. What a joke.

sorry that second paragraph should have pointed out that Nissan posted more than 2.4 billion in losses and Toyota posted 7 billion in losses.

You are the perfect example of the pot calling the kettle black. (lol). I just could not help myself in pointing out that.

Karl Rove is a smart guy. He knew that he was formulating a campaign that would lead our country into a war in Iraq on false pretenses. He thought that people wouldn’t care because the war would be so great. His actions will harm our country for a long, long time. It’s a real shame that anyone would pay anything to listen to him say anything.

What’s even worse is how many people have bought the line that the employee free choice act is an undemocratic bill. The right to freely associate is protected by the First Amendment and fundamental to our democracy. Corporate lawyers and money have succeeded in making the freedom of association out of reach for all but 8% of America’s private sector workers. As a result, NONE of the economic growth that happened while Karl was in the White House was kept by the working people whose labor created it through increased productivity. ALL of that wealth went to back to Wall Street before it vanished in the smoke and mirros of the crash.

Every time I read posts on the “political fix” I worry about the survival of our species. Are we really the people who are informed?

How does this fit in with the ‘Save Our Secret Ballot’ campaign launched a few weeks ago? They’re pushing for a state constitutional amendment. MissouriNet reported that 40,000 signatures have been collected so far. Sounds like they’re going to make it on the ballot in 2010.

Congressman Akin gave an EFCA briefing to the business community in Chesterfield last week, too.

Karl Rove should leave this alone. We can fight for our secret ballot rights without his help, thank you very much.

http://www.sosballot.org/state.php?state=Missouri

Interesting stuff!

Here is the link to an interesting card check story:
http://learfield.typepad.com/missourinet/2009/07/no-short-message-in-this-post-card-delivery.html

Oops above was for dr-debunk regarding his comments to Garrison.

The St. Louis Club is a luncheon club located in Clatyon, not a Country Club. The St. Louis Country Club is a Country Club, but is located in Lade, not St. Louis, or Clayton.

“At least everyone can see what a fool looks and sounds like”.
D.Bunkery 7/8/09 3:47 pm.

You hit the nail on the head Bunk.

If the ‘card check’ proposal gets a fair hearing…

and a fair vote…

it’ll pass.

why shouldn’t the working guy have the same opportunity to organize as the company people have to try and defeat it?

It’s called ‘a level playing field’…

‘a fair fight’…

something all Americans yearn for.

and as far as…

the ‘iconoclastic stooge’-‘doc debunky’-‘gamecock’ statement…

“…Funny, I listen to Rush regularly, as well as Dennis Miller…” — dr-debunk
3:47 pm July 8th, 2009

throw in ‘faux news’ and ‘sean’ and ‘glen’…

and now we know why its postings are so peculiar and bizarre….

This is his second trip to the exact same place to discuss the exact same thing. Perhaps Karl is finding that his ideas are not much in demand anymore?

Bubba Union:

This is all about more union dues… nothing more.

Next as to the car makers… GM employs about 90k workers… yet they pay health insurance for 1 million people.

Do the math

“throw in ‘faux news’ and ‘sean’ and ‘glen’”…beanie.

-No, rarely go there. Rarely watch T.V. period. Do make a point to check in regularly on the comedy channel MSNBC though. Nothing better for lifting my spirits.

-Tried finding a radio source for comedy, but other than NPR’s droll Europeans, not much out there.

There are laws on the books to protect employees from retaliation for union organizing. I have yet to see a post where the poster knows anything about labor relations and regulations. As a business owner I have the right to express my opinion about union membership. I cannot threaten someone with losing their job, but I can explain why they are better off not belonging to a union. And I have the right that they not do it on compnay time. I am paying people to work not organize. Guess what, I have no unions in my business. Why, becasue my staff is intelligent and realize they are much better off without the sleazebags representing them. So, what has a lib puke done for you lately?

I’m a union electrical contractor.
The liberal puke union sleeze bags provide me with a well trained workforce, a fair collective contract, 40% more business…and a bottom line that makes me very, very comfortable.

What line of scab dictorial work do you require from you peons who can’t discuss things among themselves?