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BORN IN THE USA?
Obama’s ‘birth certificate’ not acceptable in Hawaii?
Even state requires long-form document for some eligibility, identification issues

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Posted: June 07, 2009
4:10 pm Eastern

© 2009 WorldNetDaily

From the Department of Hawaiian Home Lands website

WASHINGTON – The Hawaiian certification of live birth Barack Obama posted on his campaign website and distributed to select news organizations as proof he was a “natural born citizen” would not be accepted as a “birth certificate” even for some Hawaiian state government eligibility issues, WND has learned.

The investigation follows a Honolulu Star Bulletin column Saturday, which quotes a state Department of Health spokeswoman as saying the state’s current certification of live birth is recognized “as an official birth certificate meeting all federal and other requirements.”

The website of the Department of Hawaiian Home Lands, however, states clearly the certification of live birth touted by the Obama campaign, White House press secretary Robert Gibbs and a host of other Obama defenders is not acceptable as a form of identification to qualify under this program.
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READ MORE @ http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view

Where their is smoke…

What a debacle. While everyone has the right to use critical thinking on any issue, this situation is outright embarrassing and wrong. Who has the right to say anyone’s birth certificate is illegal by simple speculation or rumor mongering? And her verbal attacks on Obama seem to indicate she is an angry, mentally unfit person. Barack Obama is the President of the U.S., and publishing a crusade of lies about him is disgusting. Orly Taitz needs to go back to Siberia where she was born, and take this pack of MOGOP crackpots with her.

McCain was born in Panama — there was no argument about that. Panama is NOT the United States, which is what the Constitution refers to (not colonies or protectorates). Yet it seems this was not an issue among most Republicans, and I would imagine McCain would have been sworn in had he been elected. So, yes, we are ignoring the Constitution. I think it highly unlikely Obama’s mother traveled to Africa to give birth there, and therefore since he was born in Hawaii, that would make him a U.S. citizen, regardless of his father’s home country. BTW, I voted for McCain.

WOW! What a lunatic! Why are you in government and the paper wasting time and resources even legitimizing this theory. YO!! Get a clue no one cares about what you Republicans think any longer. You are of no consequence on the Federal level. And, can’t you people find better things to do with your time and taxpayer’s money like working on improving the state’s economic woes and other issues? That’s why you are where you are today, because you are incompetent and are not spending your time wisely on important state issues that benefit the citizens of Missouri as a whole. UNBELIEVABLE!!! GET TO WORK AND QUIT PATRONIZING LOOPY RADICALS!!

I have no knowledge of where he was born, however, the SEC describes a “material” event as anything over five percent. I’ll bet five percent of the country thinks he was born elsewhere. He has an image problem with a lot of people who believe this stuff. He could settle the matter by simply releasing the documents and be done with it. Many blogs have speculated he claimed foreign birth or citizenship to gain admission to college. Even if he did, is he going to be impeached by a Democrat Congress? Again, you have to wonder why he simply doesn’t put the matter to rest? It is a distraction he could end.

FRAUDBAMA WILL BE REMOVED FROM OFFICE BY THE END OF THE YEAR AND HOPEFULLY BE IMPRISONED FOR FRAUD AND TREASON.
ANYONE WANT TO BET I’M WRONG?
I’VE GOT 5K THAT SAYS I’M RIGHT.
BECAUSE I KNOW SOMETHING YOU DON’T.

Get over it. Have the Republicans no issues worth discussing?

This will be settled on 1/17/2017

Well this answers one question I had. cynthia follows them, not sure if even the most bizarre follow her.

Awesome! Keep this up, and the GOP will lose even more power! Yesss!

d-artagnan: McCain was born on a US Military base. That’s a little bit different than just being born in Panama. The Obama administration should be attacked about many issues but this isn’t one of them.

The GOP is getting crazier and crazier by the day. And Obamination…….it’s scary idiots like you are walking around.

According to her blog, Taitz has issues because she thinks he is a muslim. She is an AIPAC delegate and feels she must do something to get rid of a president she calls “anti Israel”. She was an avid McCain supporter even though there were the same issues about McCain’s eligibility. So apparently Constitutional issues are not her concern. Read her blog and get a clearer picture.

These two are just some more in the line of nut case republiCONs. Hawaii was a state and there is no question of that and according to our laws even if he were born to a foreign Father he was born in Hawaii and therfore a citizen of the United States. I just have one question for these nut cases. What does the rest of the world think of people who would rather destroy their country than admid they were defeated. I know wat I do, but wonder what others do.

You unintellgent Republican politicans better be careful, You know how when you start talking crazy and foolishly, SKELETONS start falling out of your closet, you know the skeletons I am talking about the ones with names like PEDOPHILE, CHEATER, TAX EVADER, HOMOSEXUAL, LIAR, WIFE BEATER to name a few

There is clear prima facie evidence that Senator Barack Hussein Obama has held at least two Citizenships, American and Indonesian.

Under Article II of the Constitution that disqualifies him for POTUS, and it should.

Question: Was the meeting ONLY about the birth certificate crapola or were other issues/policies disgussed?

Margie Schoedinger, J.H. Hatfield, Senator Paul Wellstone, Senator Mel Carnahan; speaking of conspiracy theories, google at will. Have fun.

Obama traveled to Pakistan in 1981 with a Indonesian passport. United states passport holders were not allowed to travel to Pakistan because it was on the no travel list. In order for Fraudbama to have an Indonesian passport he would not be able to have an US passport.
This is not a question of where he was born. Who cares. Who cares about the birth certificate. I was born in Germany and I have a colb. Everyone thinks I’m natural born.
This is a constitutional matter. Specifically.

under Title 8 of the U.S. Code, the relevant language of which is:

a) A person who is a national of the United States whether by birth or naturalization, shall lose his nationality by voluntarily performing any of the following acts with the intention of relinquishing United States nationality—

(2) taking an oath or making an affirmation or other formal declaration of allegiance to a foreign state or a political subdivision thereof, after having attained the age of eighteen years…

Obamination, Let me know how we can meet. We can put the money in escrow. I would love to take your $5,00. As for the MO pols, are all these people racist or just plain morons?

Okay. My wife was born in Hawaii. Her birth certificate looks just like the one of Obamas I saw on the net. She is an American. Her father was born in Egypt. He is an American.
Also, I am a follower of Islam. Believe me, Obama is not Muslim!
Let it go people. He is the prez now, legally elected. Legally sworn in.
By the way, I did not vote for him or McCain. Libertarian here!

-For years we heard endless whining from the left that the Bush administration wouldn’t reveal White House visitor logs.

Well, Obama is now doing the same thing. Think there will be the same zeal pursuing this now? jammiewearingfool.blogspot.com/…/transparency-white-house-wont-reveal.html

-Why Is Getting Obama To Disclose His Legal Clients Like Pulling Teeth?
campaignspot.nationalreview.com/post/?q…

-Why won’t Obama release his medical records or college records?
answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid

Dissecting Obama’s School Record

-Murky documentation from an Indonesian school shouldn’t justify rumors about the candidate’s citizenship or religion.
pajamasmedia.com/blog/dissecting-obamas-school-record/

-More than a half-dozen legal challenges have been filed in federal and state courts demanding President-elect Barack Obama’s decertification from ballots or seeking to halt elector meetings, claiming he has failed to prove his U.S. citizenship status.
worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId…

-On June 29th, 2008, Maureen Dowd,…left wing writer wrote a column in the ultra left wing New York Times titled “Obama’s Troubling Internet Fund Raising” Obama’s people won’t reveal the contributors identities, but Maureen Dowd has found out that these overseas contributors Internet service providers are based in Saudi Arabia, Iran and other Islamic nations…blog.news-record.com/staff/…/2008/…/obamas_speech.shtml

- Ben Smith of Politico.com has written about Team Obama’s “pattern of rarely volunteering information or documents, even when relatively innocuous.” Politico asked months ago if Mr. Obama had ever written anything for the Harvard Law Review as a student. The Obama campaign responded narrowly, with a Clintonesque statement that “as the president of the Law Review, Obama didn’t write articles, he edited and reviewed them.” This month it turned out Mr. Obama had written an article — but it was published a month before he became president.

Chasing the rest of Mr. Obama’s paper trail is often an exercise in frustration. Mr. Obama says his state senate records “could have been thrown out” and he didn’t keep a schedule in office. No one appears to have kept a copy of his application for the Illinois Bar.
hnn.us/blogs/entries/53928.html -

-He won’t allow his transcript from his undergraduate days at Columbia University to be released.

He “lost” his thesis on Soviet nuclear policy (see “Where in the World is Obama’s Missing Thesis” which might provide insight regarding his seeming lack of knowledge about Soviet policy during the Kennedy years).

He won’t answer questions about his days at Harvard Law School.

He “lost” his Illinois Senate records.

He will only release a simple one-page letter from his doctor on his medical condition.

He won’t release his application to the state bar, which, as National Review’s Jim Geraghty notes raises questions about whether he told the truth about parking tickets and drug use, among other issues.

He won’t disclose list of his clients from his law firm days or the nature of the work he did for them as a lawyer (his clients include the indicted political fixer Tony Rezko).

He won’t answer an inquiry into his stewardship of the Chicago Annenberg Challenge by sliming a journalist investigating his days at the helm of that group, which blew through $100 million dollars with no discernible benefit for the schools and students that it was putatively designed to help…www.americanthinker.com/…/obama_covers_his_tracks.html
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Where their’s smoke…

Damn Mark, I can rattle off democrats that fit into every one of those categories as well. What’s your point?

OBAMA CLEARLY ADMITS HE IS MUSLIM. WHAT’S WRONG WITH THAT?

HE EVEN DID IT ON NATIONAL TV.
JUST LOOK.
I’ve never seen him so nervous or stumbling over his words so much. Hilarious when your busted. You slip up a lot.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iQqIpdBOg6I

Out here in San Joaquin County, the head of the Republican party in a letter to the editor said that the verse to the National Anthem was written in the Revolutionary War (Not true - try the War of 1812) and the flag pole was shattered so Americans grabbed the flag and held it aloft one after another as they were killed. I’m wondering if any of these Republicans were born in this country. They sure didn’t take any legitimate history classes.

Wingnuts will believe this fruitcake stuff. I sincerely hope they keep it up; it makes them look crazier than they already are.

Example: According to Rush Limbaugh, the Democrats killed Michael Jackson.

As I’ve said, many times, you can’t argue with the wingnuts using logic and facts, they get confused and believe misinformation even more. Truth makes them dumber.

Obama traveled to Pakistan in 1981 with a Indonesian passport. United states passport holders were not allowed to travel to Pakistan because it was on the no travel list. In order for Fraudbama to have an Indonesian passport he would not be able to have an US passport.
This is not a question of where he was born. Who cares. Who cares about the birth certificate. I was born in Germany and I have a colb. Everyone thinks I’m natural born.
This is a constitutional matter. Specifically.

under Title 8 of the U.S. Code, the relevant language of which is:

a) A person who is a national of the United States whether by birth or naturalization, shall lose his nationality by voluntarily performing any of the following acts with the intention of relinquishing United States nationality—

(2) taking an oath or making an affirmation or other formal declaration of allegiance to a foreign state or a political subdivision thereof, after having attained the age of eighteen years

OBAMANATION: please tell us what we don’t know. I would love to see that dink out of office before he destroys this great nation.

Obamination, In 1981, there was a State Department TRAVEL ADVISORY. Not even close to the same as a TRAVEL BAN. Maybe you should spend time reading REAL NEWS and less time listening to blowhards on the radio.
State Department Travel Advisory Pakistan 1981
“Before traveling to Pakistan, American Citizens should be aware of the following updated visa requirements: 30 day visas are available at Pakistani airports for tourists only. As these visas are rarely extended beyond the 30 day time per visa. Tourists planning to stay longer should secure visas before coming to Pakistan. Any traveler coming into Pakistan overland from India must repeat must have a valid visa, as 30 day visas are not repeat not issued at the overland border crossing point at Wagha.”

Obamination and dr-debunk have convinced me! Obama is a traitor. I mean if something as reputable as World Net Daily and a guy on an Internet board willing to bet 5k don’t prove it then I don’t know what does!

To Dr.-Debunk: From the website of the Hawaiian Home Lands Program:

—quote—
Primary Documents

Birth certificates (Certificates of Live Birth and Certifications of Live Birth) and Certificates of Hawaiian Birth are the primary documents used to determine native Hawaiian qualification.

The Department of Hawaiian Home Lands accepts both Certificates of Live Birth (original birth certificate) and Certifications of Live Birth because they are official government records documenting an individual’s birth. The Certificate of Live Birth generally has more information which is useful for genealogical purposes as compared to the Certification of Live Birth which is a computer-generated printout that provides specific details of a person’s birth. Although original birth certificates (Certificates of Live Birth) are preferred for their greater detail, the State Department of Health (DOH) no longer issues Certificates of Live Birth. When a request is made for a copy of a birth certificate, the DOH issues a Certification of Live Birth.
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Ooops, I guess you were wrong.

Obamanation,

Tell us about the lizard people, next. You know, the shape-shifting lizard guys that live in the center of the earth and control everything.

For the race card players out there.
Obama’s mom was white.
He is a muttlato.
If both of his parents were black he would be the first usurper to be in the white house. However he is not eligible for POTUS and he is not even black.
So really he is just a complete fake and figment of the retardcrats imagination.
Soon he will be removed from office and the wining pining little sheep with have no messiah anymore. What will they do?
Play the race card haha.

Matt,

-Don’t KNOW anything about this, which is kinda the point. Nobody knows, because Obama and his acolytes won’t reveal ANYTHING, record wise about his past school, medical, personal, or business history.

-Find it fascinating though the lefts belief in this man’s record, despite NOT KNOWING ANYTHING about him, except he makes them FEEL good about themselves.

-Where their’s smoke…

An itiot wrote: —Obama traveled to Pakistan in 1981 with a Indonesian passport. United states passport holders were not allowed to travel to Pakistan because it was on the no travel list. —

Sorry, idiot, but no such travel ban existed for Pakistan. In fact, they were are military allies due to the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan.

You lose (again).

Alfred, not my words.

Those words belong to the guy who wrote them, the guy in charge of records who said they wouldn’t work for his or any state office.

To afronerd a.k.a. alfred. Well look who crawled out of from under the the crack house.
How you been?
Been visiting those lizard people again.

Obomination is really hung up on the fact that Stanley Ann Durham was white.

It seems that he considers her to have been a white trash slut because she had sex with an African.

Obamination, not only does Obama admit he’s a Muslim!!!! He has also admitted he’s black!!! I don’t have a YouTube video link to prove it with a sound bite taken out of context but you’ll have to believe me!

I think you’ve got it all figured out. I have been asleep but now I am awake. You have awoken me. The liberal media will no longer lull me to sleep with their lies.

Obamanation,
Pakistan was not on the “no travel” list in 1981. In fact, the New York Times did a travel piece on Pakistan and India that year, and in response to the article, the U.S. Consul General wrote a letter to the NYT saying that he “would welcome an influx of Americans” to his station in Lahore, Pakistan. Facts are stubborn things, aren’t they?
http://wire.factcheck.org/2009/06/05/more-birther-nonsense-obamas-1981-pakistan-trip/

These “conservatives” give true conservatives a bad name. Obama won the election fair and square, so GET OVER IT. The conspiracy nuts ought to be honest and just say they don’t like the guy because he’s “exotic” and black. They could give a rat’s patootie about the Constitution, at least not judged by their silence when W trampled all over our civil liberties with campaign finance “reform,” warantless wiretapping, eliminating habeas corpus, etc.

I’m confused. Is the birth certificate that has been posted all over the net not valid?

I’m concerned about the mental state of the entire GOP.

Dr. Debunk, not my words either

Check out the actual web site

http://hawaii.gov/dhhl/applicants/appforms/applyhhl

I cut and pasted directly from there.

jellio, of course it is valid. It is the standard form issued by the state of Hawaii.

(the GOP run state of Hawaii, I might add)

Birthers are just plain nuts.

(But it is fun to poke at them with facts untill they blow up, like Obomination.)

I have no idea where my original birth certificate is. Why would it be my obligation to provide anyone with anything other than what the County Clerk mailed to me when I requested a duplicate copy?

Alferd,

You can take your facts and logic and stick them where the sun don’t shine! I’m not following any link that doesn’t rationalize my irrational thoughts. You better find a source from something reputable like World Net Daily or Fox News otherwise it’s all liberal hippie media spin. Everyone knows that the Hawaii government website is run by liberals who love Obama. They are in on it. Wake up!

huh, because you are not a black man in the “white” house.

Ok afronerd.
You and your black republican friend just fell into my trap.
You only argue that Pakistan was not on the no travel list.
Not that Obama didn’t travel there. Cause he openly admitted he did.
So my point is he was an Indonesian citizen.

There is clear prima facie evidence that Senator Barack Hussein Obama has held at least two Citizenships, American and Indonesian.

Under Article II of the Constitution that disqualifies him for POTUS, and it should.
You guys truly are prime examples of retardcrats (again.)

Jellio…What? Michael Jackson’s dead….

Matt, you should visit this site.

http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/07/01/09/pg1

Fright-wing nutjobs just don’t get it. A “legal” or “valid” birth certificate is not the issue.

To be a “natural born” US citizen only one of two standards need apply (short form): the child needs to born in the US, which Hawaii was at the time of Obama’s birth, OR at least one of a child’s parent’s–even living abroad–must be a US citizen at the time the child’s birth. This is has been part of the US Code’s definition of “natural born” since the Hoover administration.

A birth certificate doesn’t mean squat in the big picture, it’s only a piece of paper. At the very least, Obama can claim he’s a natural born US citizen because his mother was, something that is never been questioned. Of course, his better–and completely legitimate–claim was that he was born in the US.

The far right who believes this garbage needs to start taking their meds.

Obamination, you need to seek professional help, my friend.

Yea, French,

Didn’t you hear Rush, today? Obama killed Michael Jackson.

Yesterday, or the day before, I can’t remember, it was Obama’s fault that Governer Sanford went “hiking on the Appalachian trail.”

Ok the birth certificate is a non issue. But I was born in hawaii in the 60’s and I have a type written birth certificate done at the time of my birth. I also have a colb like fraudbamas.
I checked with my classmates and they all have typed ones too.
However the ones that immigrated to Hawaii and attended school only have a Colb. Not a type written one. Explain that to me.

So where is his type written one.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SIsQJNTvlUE

Where does Obamination come up with this clever stuff! Retardocats! That’s genius. You sir are clever. And your screen name being Obamination! I mean to twist his name like he’s an abomination! It’s genius. You seriously have it all figured out. You should run for office.

afronerd. You seriously need to lay off the crack. The lizard people will get you.

Why are we wasting government time and money on an issue that has been debunked by several nonpartisan groups? Rep. Tim Jones, I am one of your constituents and I definitely do want to see you wasting time and money on this issue.

Well if rush says so it must be true

Obamination. Who cares, the COLB is legal and all the proof he needs.

Too bad he won’t do what you want him to do, because what you want doesn’t matter.

If what you say is true about your birth certificate Obamination then you sire are an interloper just like our fraudulent president! Also, how is something type written? Is it typed or is it written? I’m confused? I bet that’s part of the liberals plan. To confuse us! I say let’s get rid of all of them!

This is CRAZY! I’d love to vote Republican again, but this coupled with the Mark Sanford B.S. (and Roy Blunt running for Senator) makes me think the Republican party is going (has already gone) to he!! in a handbasket. Where’s the leadership on the national and Missouri level??? I’m not thrilled with the Cap and Trade and all the money that the Democrats are spending. CLOWNS TO THE LEFT OF ME; JOKERS TO THE RIGHT - HERE I AM, STUCK IN THE MIDDLE WITH YOU!

WOW, somebody nuttier than Cynthia Davis–who’d a thought? Another shocker they held a rally in St.Charles. Not sure I’d have this crazy person working on my teeth. I guess we’re all caught up on crazy here.

HEY YOU GUYS!!!!!!!!!!

WHY IS EVERYONE PICKING ON ME

-This has got to be a record. In less than 2 hours this thread is blazing hot.
-Where their’s smoke…

It’s all a plot against me. obama has agents hiding in my bedroom closet.

Type written means it has type and writing. Man you guys (retardocrats) are dumb.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9QdyLOUHz-A&feature=response_watch

Its sad republicans have nothing better to do. No ideas, no clue, no lives. What a joke that party is. How sad.

from the vaults of birther mothership worldnutdaily:

a separate WND investigation into obama’s birth certificate utilizing forgery experts also found the document to be authentic. the investigation also revealed methods used by some of the bloggers to determine the document was fake involved forgeries, in that a few bloggers added text and images to the certificate scan that weren’t originally there.

just something to keep in mind while wnd continues to beat this dead horse …

What type of writing?

arabic, I bet

I think I get it!!!

If I’m born in Hawaii and my mother is white, and my birth certificate is not hand written, and I was in Pakistan for some reason, how can I possibly be from Chicago?

Wow!!! I need a Tylenol.

Obviously I left out the word, “NOT” in my previous comment. Let’s be clear. We have much more important issues to be using our resources on. The state doesn’t have resources to start construction on the science building for UMSL, but we can use resources for hogwash like this?? Had their been even a sliver of truth to this the RNC would have gone after this like a shark after a wounded seal.

Jellio, you are not from CHicago, you are from Hegewisch!

“I Like Lamp” -only idea from a right wing nut job

ARRGHH I CLEARLY THE MOTHER OF RETARDOCRATS.
WND SAID THE COLB COPY WAS AUTHENTIC NOT THE ORIGINAL BIRTH CERTIFICATE.
THE LONG FORM WHICH MCCAIN WAS REQUIRED TO SHOW BUT FRAUDBOMBER WASN’T YOU IDIOT!
ARGHHHH.

Where there’s smoke, someone’s smoking something.

from obama-lovin’ bill o’reilly:

how many times do i have to do it? how many times? i’ve already adressed it, many, many times.

the birth certifigate is legal. he was born in hawaii. we have a copy of it. unless there is a massive fraud in the state of hawaii, which i couldn’t prove, he’s legal.

Obamination does not believe in the rule of law. He likes a good lynching.

Jellio…

-Exactly!

The Republican party has been reduced to this…Fear mongering and lies to try to prop themselves up after they have been taken down…They should be ashamed of themselves…People in Missouri should be wary of any lawmaker who would think stunts like this are worth participating in…It just another diversion.

Maui-wowie?

I’m SORRY ALFERD!

I LOVE YOU MAN.

Daniel Mmmmmmmmmm…

-Tony Messenger, an avowed obamaphile and acolyte, wrote the story.
Just commenting…

from obama-lovin’ michelle malkin:

i believe trig was born to sarah palin. i believe barack obama was born in hawaii on u.s. soil. i believe fire can melt steel and that bin laden’s jihadi crew — not bush and cheney — perpetrated mass murder on 9/11. what kind of kooky conspiracist does that make me?

Ok the birth certificate is a non issue. But I was born in hawaii in the 60’s and I have a type written birth certificate done at the time of my birth. I also have a colb like fraudbamas.
I checked with my classmates and they all have typed ones too.
However the ones that immigrated to Hawaii and attended school only have a Colb. Not a type written one. Explain that to me.

So where is his type written one.
OH WAIT I KNOW. DUH. THAT’S WHY HE HAS SPENT OF 1 MILLION DOLLARS FIGHTING OFF THE BIRTHERS SO HE DOESN’T HAVE TO SHOW IT. THAT IS EXTREMELY INTELLIGENT AND A VERY FINANCIALLY PRUDENT PRESIDENT WE HAVE.
I GUESS I’M NOT AS INTELLIGENT AS FRAUDBOMBER BUT I WOULD HAVE JUST PONIED UP THE 12 BUCKS. IT JUST MAKES MORE FINANCIAL SENSE TO ME.
BUT JUDGING FROM THE TRILLION DOLLAR DEFICIT HE HAS RUN UP IN THE SHORT TIME THE USURPER HAS BEEN IN OFFICE IT DOESN’T SURPRISE ME THAT HE WOULD SPEND A MILLION TO HIDE HIS FRAUD. HAHA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SIsQJNTvlUE

“Maui-wowie?”-alferd-

-Good one…maybe Afghani black?

Arrrg, what about chemtrails?

Look up!

What the heck wrong with some people? Som epeople are sick and doesnt make any scence. It is the matter of understanding. If some one is out there asking question about Obama;s citizenship those are nothing but a full of Shit. I am sorry to use this words but it is ultimately true that people lost the election and now they are trying to do some unnecessary act and trying to kill all of our valuable times.

If you ahve a proble to accept Obama as the presidnet that your problem, I am sorry but he is the man of the Century. Obama established the true defination of Democracy by winning the 2008 US General election. We all need to suport this president. He needs all of our support. We really do not have any BS time to create problems insted of helping the system to recovery from a broken recession time zone.

I do believe, those who are raising these type of deceiving questions they are just trying to be smart but they aint.

MD Alam
For
State Representative
Missouri District 50
US Election 2010

MD,huh? See an MD.

I apologize for all the thinks I said. You are right. I just don’t like to admit it.
Obama isn’t truly black I just wanted to believe he is like all the other people who forget his mother was white.
Also I will stop smoking crack and stay away from the lizard people.
Oh and I will put your hubcaps back on your car. Sorry

from politico.com:

kreep has been battling obama’s california lawyer, fredric woocher, to release the president’s records from occidental college on the theory that they might provide information about his citizenship.

woocher has threatened to seek sanctions against kreep for pursuing the case.

“this suit, like all of the others that have been filed challenging obama’s qualifications for the presidency, is frivolous,” he said in an email to POLITICO, adding that he is, in fact, working pro bono. “there is absolutely no truth to the stories about the untold millions supposedly being paid to us,” he said.

arggh. You are a true idiot. Obama has 6 law firms fighting the birth certificate issue. Only one is pro bono. He has in fact spent over 1 million dollars fighting it and I can prove it.

What a bunch of idiots. Keep up the silliness, people — it will help sink the Republican party forever.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o9bByHUky24

Remember during the fall campaign when McCain set that crazy haired woman straight that Obama was not an Arab? Of course Colin Powell stated that the answer should have been “so what if he was” but still at least some Republicans in charge were interested in the truth, even if it meant writing off the votes of a few racist trailer park conspiracy theorists. These days the GOP has no such grown ups as I have seen NONE of them say the birthers are off their rocker.

You know that 5% of the black vote you guys got in 2008, it’s down to 4, 3, 2….

I’m sorry Obamination. You are right. This guy is a fraud.

from obama-lovin’ david horowitz:

shut up about the birth certificate.

embarrassing and destructive … zealots …

it is not conservatism; it is sore loserism and quite radical in its intent. respect for election results is one of the most durable bulwarks of our unity as a nation. conservatives need to accept the fact that we lost the election, and get over it

NO WORRIES ABOUT THE BLACK VOTE SOON THERE WON’T BE ANY LEFT.
AIDS ALMOST ALL NEW CASES ARE BLACK WOMAN. BABY FACTORIES.
GANGS
DRUGS
LIQUOR
THEMSELVES.

Hey horror titz whats up!!!!!!
Shouldn’t you be at the temple?

WOW YOUR RIGHT OBAMINATION!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o9bByHUky24

ea, French,

Didn’t you hear Rush, today? Obama killed Michael Jackson.

— Jellio
7:34 pm July 1st, 200

If Rush said it today, that mofo is stealing my material. I accused the dems of offing Whacko Jacko Monday on the “Distracted” Letter to the Editor.

Obamination

Just because it’s on Youtube means that it is fact? My 13 year old makes silly videos and posts them on there all the time.

Folks, His mother was an American Citizen always was- Read the law like him or hate him, he’s an American.

Lots of folks have dual citizenship, too whether or not it’s recognized in the US. Many other countries allow this.

Let’s spend our energy on getting US fuel so we don’t continue to trade body bags for oil, provide more jobs here in the US so our economy gets better and we can continue the American Dream.

Didn’t vote for Obama but this is clearly a waste of time

Why here is all the proof I need.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IjtwwxILZxQ&feature=fvw

I guess to be one of these “birthers” you have to completely defy any logic as well in your attempt to overturn an election that was won fair and square. I mean, why would an 8 month old middle class 19 yr. old girl leave her native country and fly to Kenya to give birth? Makes no sense.
Get over it folks! You guys LOST. And now we have a half black, son of an immigrant who is President. I happen to think it shows what is fanstastic about America! That you don’t have to be a dim witted son of a former President to make it to the top (helped by the Supreme Court of course). You can come from a mixed background, work hard in school, and go all the way to the Oval Office after winning an impressive electoral victory.

And you racist weirdos want to take it away based on something on YouTube!

IT AIN”T GONNA HAPPEN!

ok just me. Lets put 5k in an escrow account that says he is out of office by the end of the year.
Chicken?
Put your money where your mouth is~

Oh and i bet a 13 year old put this up on you tube too.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iQqIpdBOg6I
The guy got caught in one of his millions of lies. Listen to him stutter.

Someone can’t be racist regarding obama so get over it.
The race card doesn’t apply. He’s a mutt. Not black.

from obama-lovin’ michael medved:

crazy, nutburger, demagogue, money-hungry, exploitative, irresponsible, filthy conservative imposters …

the worst enemy of the conservative movement.

it makes us look weird. it makes us look crazy. it makes us look demented. it makes us look sick, troubled, and not suitable for civilized company.

i’m not a conspiracist, but this could be a very big conspiracy to make conservatives disgrace themselves.

sorry but this is about race. I don’t believe for a minute you wackos would be scrutinizing every detail of his birth if Obama’s mother was knocked up by a British student at the University of Hawaii.

I know there have to be reasonable Republicans out there. Cynthia Davis is certifiable, but c’mon! Someone in the GOP call these people out for the tinfoil hat wearing lunatics they are! Save your party!

HEY MEDIVAC WE KNOW IT’S YOU HORROR TITS.
GO CHEW ON YOUR YAMAKA!

Can you say “MANCHURIAN CANDIDATE”?

LISTEN SKATTT. IT ISN’T ABOUT RACE. THEY MADE MCCAIN SHOW HIS LONG FORM.
OBAMA FRAUDED OUT OF IT. WHY? BECAUSE HE IS SEEN AS BLACK BY THOSE WHO WANT TO SEE HIM AS BLACK. ERGO GLASS HALF EMPTY HALF FULL.
SO ANYWAY. WHY DID MCCAIN HAVE TO SHOW HIS LONG FORM?
THAT’S DISCRIMINATION.
DID ANYONE DO ANYTHING ABOUT THAT?
NO!
NOBODY EVEN SAID ANYTHING.

The only question I have is, if in fact he has one… why the big fight NOT to produce it?

If any of us here were asked for our birth certificates… we’d go to the famil safe, or the safe deposit box… get it… and produce it. not send a army of lawyers to fight from doing just that.

Why the fight?

This birth certificate thing should have been over in 5 minutes… that it is NOT is the story.

from obama-lovin’ judge james roberston, hollister v soetoro, in his memorandum for dismissal:

this case, if it were allowed to proceed, would deserve mention in one of those books that seek to prove that the law is foolish or that america has too many lawyers with not enough to do. even in its relatively short life the case has excited the blogosphere and the conspiracy theorists. the right thing to do is to bring it to an early end.

and how many cases have the birthers won?

oh, right … i thought so.

And in other news way more important then this stupid banter…the U.S. troops started a major military action in Afghanistan

Obamanation,

From your post at 7:02 pm, you stated…”Who cares. Who cares about the birth certificate. I was born in Germany and I have a colb. Everyone thinks I’m natural born.”

But then in your subsequent post at 7:37 pm, you stated, “Ok the birth certificate is a non issue. But I was born in hawaii in the 60’s and I have a type written birth certificate done at the time of my birth. I also have a colb like fraudbamas.
I checked with my classmates and they all have typed ones too.”

Just where were you born and why can you not keep your stories straight within a 35 minute time span

Put this in your yamaka!

There is clear prima facie evidence that Senator Barack Hussein Obama has held at least two Citizenships, American and Indonesian.

Under Article II of the Constitution that disqualifies him for POTUS, and it should.

The fact that this article has gotten over 100 comments within 3 hours shows that this is a big deal. And obviously an emotional one. Whether you believe any of it or not, it gets attention. Why? If it was settled, it would be a non-issue.

It is gaining steam because all of the other “non-transparent” things going on. Bills before Congress being voted on before anyone (including congressman) reads them. They were going to be posted online so the public could read them. Staging townhall meetings or whatever they are called with all the questions pre-staged.

It is so bad, that Helen Thomas (yeah, that Helen Thomas), got into it with Robert Gibbs today when she questioned him on some of these things and he wouldn’t / couldn’t answer. She was actually double-teaming with Chip Reid of CBS, who also couldn’t get answers. None of this is going away and is getting bigger by the day. Just wait until Helen starts asking about college transcripts. Uh-oh.

Who is going to review the issue even if all these things are right? The Supreme Court? Yes. Who was the one that issued the Oath of Office to Obama? Chief Justice Roberts. Chief Justices are not in the habit of changing their minds. Because if he would to rule in favor of the naysayers, then he would be as liable for the fraud.

So keep that in mind, even if you can prove everything you have to say, President Obama has been accepted by the highest legal authority in the land. So that pretty much settles it.

Waste all the time you wish but you will never have it changed not that you all are right to begin with.

It doesn’t matter how many times the Obama birth records stating he was born in Honolulu are produced the right wing wackos have an excuse. Oh that’s doesn’t count, it was forged, etc, etc.

Get over it. You LOST. Obama is President. I just hope people hold these state representatives responsible for this foolishness. Joe Brazil the Chair of the St. Charles County Council is another one. Apparently he is under the spell of these freaks, saying he finds Tatiz’s argument convincing enough to get the County Prosecutor’s office to investigate. I’d sure like to describe my ocean front property in Colorado to Joe Brazil! If he is that easy to be conned he’d probably offer me a million bucks for a seaside villa!

morons!

See Steve. Just like Obama. Where was I born?
How does it make you feel?
Betrayed?
Well finally someone caught that.
No I wasn’t born in Germany.
Just goes to show you that 1 out of how many people would pick up on it.
Just like with obama. 1 in a million pick up on the fact he is a fraud.

The birth certificate:

http://www.factcheck.org/UploadedFiles/birth_certificate_2.jpg

Hmm good logic tvphotog.
So if a guy fakes his way into becoming a doctor and he performs surgery and becomes a great surgeon and it is found out he is not an md I guess we should just ignore that and let him keep practicing until someone dies.
Great logic. You should become a democratic lawyer.
Its just like borrowing money is saving our economy. Another amazing jist of logic from your messiah.
You retordocrats are a joke.
Sure lets just ignore the constitution. If someone commits fraud we just let them keep doing it because they are good at it.
Cool!

Good name jellio. You have that for a brain.
That is not his birth certificate. It is a copy and it’s photo shopped.
It doesn’t prove anything. Anyone can get a colb. Why don’t you show us the long form like MCcain produced when he was asked. fact check that!
You are truly and idiot.

Obamination is a goofy clown and nothing short of it.

C’mon Jellio, keep it up..won’t be long obamanation blows a blood vessel…

Jellio, that is a computer generated sheet of paper. I want to see the actual certificate..typed with a typewriter..before I believe that.

How did Obama afford Punahou School?
How did he afford to travel the world when he left Hawaii?
There was a travel advisory for those Americans going to Pakistan and it was difficult (although not impossible) to get a travel visa to go there..it would have been tough to get a travel visa for a college student, let alone an American student. It was possible.

Obama accomplished nothing prior to being elected President. His past was never vetted prior to his election.

Okay.

Tell me, you liberal idiots, why are you accepting his lies? He will be raising everyone’s taxes with the passage of Cap and Trade and his taxing of health benefits. Yet he promised (and you idiots bought it) that only those making more than $250,000 a year would be paying more in taxes. Ugh. He promised more transparency (and you idiots bought it). He promised an unemployment rate no higher than 8% after the stimulus package…and it is now at 9% (and you idiots bought it). He has not provided an original birth certificate…and it’s no surprise…you idiots have bought the story.

“Change”..yep..you idiots bought into it.

oh, how quaint! i seem to have birthed (pun intended) an imposter. i guess we can put july 1, 2009, 8:54pm, st louis, mo, usa, on the certificate. now all i need is a notary and it can run for president.

Folks at the Post-Dispatch, you can clearly see the level of interest here and at the thread that won’t die.

http://www.stltoday.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=590716&sid=46798b421d7502f16e9115fc94a4d0de

You guys are struggling. Look into this and your circulation will pick up. At least get some web advertisers on these pages and make some money off of the interest on this topic. I know that sounds capitalistic and greedy and bad, but I suspect you guys like money too.

We beg to differ. FactCheck.org staffers have now seen, touched, examined and photographed the original birth certificate. We conclude that it meets all of the requirements from the State Department for proving U.S. citizenship. Claims that the document lacks a raised seal or a signature are false. We have posted high-resolution photographs of the document as “supporting documents” to this article. Our conclusion: Obama was born in the U.S.A. just as he has always said.

Update, Nov. 1: The director of Hawaii’s Department of Health confirmed Oct. 31 that Obama was born in Honolulu.

Analysis
Update Nov. 1: The Associated Press quoted Chiyome Fukino as saying that both she and the registrar of vital statistics, Alvin Onaka, have personally verified that the health department holds Obama’s original birth certificate.

Fukino also was quoted by several other news organizations. The Honolulu Advertiser quoted Fukino as saying the agency had been bombarded by requests, and that the registrar of statistics had even been called in at home in the middle of the night.

Honolulu Advertiser, Nov. 1 2008: “This has gotten ridiculous,” state health director Dr. Chiyome Fukino said yesterday. “There are plenty of other, important things to focus on, like the economy, taxes, energy.” . . . Will this be enough to quiet the doubters? “I hope so,” Fukino said. “We need to get some work done.”

Fukino said she has “personally seen and verified that the Hawaii State Department of Health has Sen. Obama’s original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures.”

Dear Obamanation, There is a bit of difference between a false medical degree and a false birth certificate. The only job that is required for the birth certificate is the one of President and Vice-President. Since Chief Justice Roberts will not review his own participation in the inauguration, he will not review this issue. As Roberts is the Chief Justice he decides what comes before the court.

This specific issue, Obamanation, will never clear SCOTUS. If it has been found in favor of the naysayers then it will then reach the court and be overturned.

With that said, Obamanation, what is being presented as a Hawaiian B irth Certificate looks nothing like others I have seen before. I do not know what is being shown but it is not like the BC that they had in Hawaii before and after his birth according to copies I have seen.

With that in mind, it will still never have the force of law to reach the SCOTUS. And it most certainly will never reach the US House or Senate floor for a vote. Bear in Mind, John McCain wasn’t born in the United States period absolutely no doubt. Not that it makes any issue at this point anyway.

Here’s to hoping (sincerely) that Obamination is an anti-birther movement plant posting here to further lower the group’s already stunningly low credibility.

Or perhaps an Andy Kaufman reincarnate who will never fill us in to the joke…

To think that he/she is sincere and a member of the voting public is too scary to even ponder.

This is wonderful!!!!
This wingnut nonsense only proves two things–
1. The GOP is the political version of Chrysler–bankrupt, and
2. The Department of Homeland Security is right. We DO need to keep an eye on nutjobs like these.
Please, please, PLEASE have more extremist events like this attended by GOP office holders.

Hey obamanation….you have so much proof of things…where’s the proof of the WMD’s?

And what about the birth announcement in the Honolulu paper they found from Aug 1961? Was that inserted into numerous library’s microfiche collection by the evil, liberal, Obama-bot director of Arts and Crafts from the campaign?

C’mon….or are you searching youtube for video proof?

This is what our elected officals are spending time on? very sad.

you know come to think of it I never saw George W. Bush’s birth certificate. I know they say he was born in Connecticut in 1946 while his dad was at Yale, but I have an inkling George and Babs went to Europe for the summer and that’s where little Dubya made his debut. I mean they were both from wealthy families, far wealthier than Obama’s Kenyan father and middle class college kid mom. It could happen, right?

Will the same “birthers” join the cause and declare Bush’s Presidency null and void?

Oh wait, I forgot. He’s white. Just like Obama wouldn’t be questioned if his daddy was Quentin Sommersby from London rather than Barack Obama from Kenya, these things just don’t get questioned.

See the point I am trying to make here for all is this: What we have been shown from Obama’s people is not a birth certificate in any form that is commonly known. I would go as far to investigate the particular pattern on the paper as not being in use on such documents at the time of his birth.
On my birth certificate from Oklahoma in 1965 there are four signatures and multiple blanks with the lines typed filled in. Here is one from 1963 from Hawaii that looks very close to mine and nothing like Obama’s BC or my older brother’s BC that is from the same year as Obama.

To me the only issue is, why is this birth certificate different than others?

Because again this issue as to his actual country of birth is never going to be able to do anything legally. But with that said, Obama has lived and traveld more in the United States and other countries than most of our Presidents prior to reaching the office. To me that speaks well of his experience with dealing with different people and gives him a broader view of the country in general.

I am glad to have him as my president.

Hell, knowing how his Mom was he might have been born on one of the islands and not got his birth certificate until he was several months old. That could explain the whole thing, yet it would still be unverifiable since she has passed on.

There were certainly more Missouri politicians than these two who have been mentioned here in this article who believe that Obama is not a citizen of the U.S. Are they now too coward to come out their crazy closets.

I bet that these are the same kind of people who scream a t Blacks today to go back to Africa! (lol).

What has happen to their ONE Black nutcase? What is that guy’s name that these people were supposedly fighting on behalf of, using this idiot as their Black face front to appear to not be racists?

Remembered the Black guys name, It is Alan Keyes. Where is this sore loser today?

Kristen,,yes it is sad…so many things our elected people should be worried about besides being such sore losers.

The state of Missouri went for John McCain about 3000 votes over Barack Obama. Our current governor Jay Nixon won overwhelmingly 60% to 40% over Republican Kenny Hulshof. At first the media tried to make into a racial issue. Mr. Nixon backed away from that, understandbly so. The race card is a bogus issue in this case. Unless you want to project and say that Governor Nixon is the preferred candidate of said groups. No, sorry. Nixon is from Missouri and we know him. Obama is not from Missouri. Duh, but we are the Show Me State.

I hate to have to keep repeating myself, but….

Wingnuts, when presented with facts that refute misinformation, tend to believe the misinformation more strongly. The truth makes them dumber.

Yes no kidding Jellio……well the suns gone down and their med’s have kicked in…the wingnuts are sleeping…

Awww who really cares from whence he came: the country, the state, or from whose loins he sprang! Isn’t He our New God and Savior? I mean C’Mon folks! The Man announced today that the stimulus has stimulated! All in the space of six months! Only a GOD could do that! Trust me people as I Trust In HIM! He’s rocking a new Afghanistan plan today and I bet Mr. Gawd will have that dang war wrapped up by noon tomorrow AND will have the PLO bowing to His Royal Hind-end-Ded-Ness by sundown Friday. He’s already beamed the North Korean ship back towards home just by rocking that stern eveil Presidential Gawd-like gaze. Sighhhh. O My President

I found a study to support my theory.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/09/14/AR2008091402375_pf.html

OH AND ONE THING TO REMEMBER MINORITIES MAKE UP A VERY SMALL PERCENTAGE OF THIS NATION. EXAMPLE BLACKS 15% BUT IS FALLING FAST BECAUSE OF
AIDS
LIQUOR
DRUGS
AIDS
GANGS
AIDS
JAIL
NEED I GO ON.
ANYWAY THE POINT IS MINORITIES ARE KILLING THEMSELVES. SOON THEY WILL NO LONGER BE A THREAT TO THE GOP.
SO BASK IN YOUR FADING SUN RETARDOCRATS.

Just more proof that Republicans are pathetic dinosaurs. They haven’t evolved enough to be in power.

Annie, It must be frustrating to you that we now have a President that can actually tell you what he is going to do then he does it. Our last President rarely knew what he was doing much less how to do it. But the right handed Republicans sure thought he was better than sliced bread and all that.

I am glad that we have a President that we can understand and he is able to make a plan according to his vision.

aarrgghh, that has got to be one of the most ignorant and racial based statements I have seen on the forums in quite a long time. None of those things you listed have anything to do with a person pigmentation. Oh by the way the Hispanic minority is growing as well as the minorities of Arab descent.

But no worries, soon, the GOP will just mean “get out party”.

OBAMINATION, first of all, of which white power group are you a member? I just wonder because you stole that name from a white power web site.

You keep citing Article II of the Constitution as “proof” that holding dual citizenship prohibits Obama from being president. Have you ever read Article II? The relevant portion states “[n]o person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of the President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.”

Perhaps you should do some independent research and independent thinking about what you post and not just copy what others have posted on the internet which, just so happens, to be wrong.

funny tvtog.

I DON’T SEE ANY ARTICLES LIKE THIS ABOUT WHITE PEOPLE.
IT’S NOT RACIST. IT’S A FACT.
WHY DOES IT HAVE TO BE RACIST? NOT ALL MINORITIES ARE HAVE SKIN PIGMENT.
DID I MENTION SKIN PIGMENT?
THERE YOU GO WITH THE RACISM THING. YOU TRULY ARE A PRIME EXAMPLE OF WHAT IS WRONG WITH THIS COUNTRY.
IF YOU KNEW ANYTHING. THE HIGHEST (LEGAL) IMMIGRATION OF PEOPLE INTO THIS COUNTRY ARE WHITE PEOPLE FROM EUROPE.

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/07033/758875-153.stm

THANKS TOM! YOU FAIL TO ACKNOWLEDGE OBAMAMINATION HAD IDONESIAN CITIZEN SHIP WHICH CONSTITUTES DUAL CITIZENSHIP. HE TRAVELED TO PAKISTAN IN 1981 USING HIS INDONESIAN PASSPORT. HE EVEN ADMITTED IT.
TRULY LIVING UP TO YOUR PARTIES BRAIN POWER. WAY TO GO TOM!

Determination of Obama’s citizenship should be short and simple:

Questions:

1. What passport did he use when he was shuttling between New York , Jakarta , and Karachi ?

2. How did Obama arrive in New York in early June 1981, without the price of a hotel room in his pocket, and then suddenly come up with the price of a round-the-world trip just a month later?

3. once he was on the plane, shuttling between New York , Jakarta , and Karachi , what passport was he offering when he passed through Customs and Immigration?

The American people not only deserve to have answers to these questions, they must have answers.

Q: Did he travel to Pakistan in 1981, at age 20?
A : Yes, by his own admission.

Q: What passport did he travel under?

A: There are only three possibilities.
1) He traveled with a U.S. Passport,
2) He traveled with a British passport, or
3) He traveled with an Indonesia passport.

Q: Is it possible that Obama traveled with a U.S. Passport in 1981?
A: No. It is not possible. Pakistan was on the U.S. State Department’s “no travel” list in 1981.

Conclusion:

When Obama went to Pakistan in 1981 he was traveling either with a British passport or an Indonesian passport.
If he were traveling with a British passport that would provide proof that he was born in Kenya on August 4, 1961, not in Hawaii as he claims. And if he were traveling with an Indonesian passport that would tend to prove that he relinquished whatever previous citizenship he held, British or
American, prior to being adopted by his Indonesian step-father in 1967.

Whatever the truth of the matter, the American people need to know how he managed to become a “natural born” American citizen between 1981 and 2008..

Given the destructive nature of his plans for America , as illustrated by his speech before Congress and the disastrous spending plan he has presented to Congress, the sooner we learn the truth of all this, the better.

I home someone is monitoring just how many different names this freak is logging in as.

ONCE AGAIN TOM HAS HIS HEAD UP HIS KEISTER.
HATE TO BREAK IT TO YOU TOM.
BUT I AM HALF BLACK. AND BORN IN HAWAII. IN THE 60′S AND I HAVE A REAL BIRTH CERTIFICATE. HAND TYPED FROM THE 60′S LIKE EVERYONE ELSE I KNOW THAT WAS BORN IN THE 60′S HERE. I ALSO HAVE A COLB. ANYONE CAN GET THOSE.
MY COUSIN WAS BORN IN GERMANY. HE HAS A COLB. JUST LIKE YOUR MESSIAHS.
JUST LIKE ALLEN KEYES. I JUST DON’T LIKE A FRAUD. REGARDLESS OF SKIN COLOR.
THAT IS NOT THE ISSUE. SO STOP PLAYING THE RACE CARD. ITS SO OLD.

Oh, Ms./Mr. aarrgghh -
You are just so clever in using this term: “RETARDOCRATS.” (Your caps).
Could you not come up with something better, let alone intelligent?
My goodness - did Mommy make you come in early from playing so you went straight to the computer?
My goodness - you certainly won me over with your logic and the rest of your cogent statement.

Incidentally, what is your preferred thread count, and are you a cotton or polyester person? Oh - and do you favor percale or sateen weave?

I’d think even the Rep reps cited in the article would blanch at your comment. Well, I’d HOPE they would blanch…

When I first heard about President Obama’s Birth Certificate questions I thought it was just a bunch of whackos. But as time has passed and he hasn’t simply produced it and stopped all controversy my mind is changing. I think he probably was born in Hawaii but there is something on his birth certificate that he doesn’t want seen. His mother was an atheist and his father was Muslim. So I think the birth certificate probably says something like Religion: Muslim.

OBAMINATION, you did not answer any of my questions. 1. What white power group are you a member of, or with which do you associate. 2. Have you ever read Article II before posting here?

You said that you had a Constitutional argument. I showed that you really have no Constitutional argument. That being said, I fail to see how this alleged dual citizenship, even if true, is relevant to anything. There are two requirements to be president: (1) must be a natural born citizen, and (2), must be 35 years of age. Obama is both, so I fail to see your alleged “Constitutional” problem. The only possible argument you can make is that he fails to fulfill one of the requirements, and we have seen how well that has gone.

By the way, I am no democrat. I just like showing racists that the things they were told are not true.

GEEZ TOM. ARE YOU BLIND AND RETARDED? I GUESS SO.
I ALREADY SAID I AM HALF BLACK.
HOW CAN I BE A MEMBER OF A WHITE SUPR. GROUP?
OH WAIT. IS THAT MY SPANISH HALF?
YES OF COURSE THERE ARE MANY SPANISH WHITE SUPR. GROUPS. IDIOT

Wondering the same thing myself,Jellio

Hey Dan, you aren’t born with a religion. It’s not like a genetic trait - it’s just a fairytale. Oh and if you actually researched anything before spouting off stupidity, you would know Hawaii does have Obama’s birth certificate: http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/birthcertificate.asp

Dan,

If you actually look at his certificate, and you can, I’ve posted the link on this strand twice, now, it says nothing about religion; neither does mine, and probably neither does yours.

Well -
Personally, I do not think he qualified because - he is an alien !
Pass it on !
Actually, I think his home planet is Krypton and his birth name is really Kal-El; now ain’t that a Muslim terrorist name if you ever heard one?
Pass it on !

OBAMINATION, I think it is humorous that you call me an idoit. What is your Constitutional arument now? I am curious. Your dual citizenship argument, even if true, holds no water because the Constitution does not prohibit someone who holds two citizenships from being president. Can you make an argument without name calling?

There is clear prima facie evidence that Senator Barack Hussein Obama has held at least two Citizenships, American and Indonesian.

Under Article II of the Constitution that disqualifies him for POTUS, and it should. He may also have held other Nationalities, how many it is not clear. No crime has been committed in the USA but two Legal Systems have been bent as far as they could be without breaking.

He isn’t Eligible unless and until the Supreme Court Rules on Dual Nationality or the Congress passes Statute Law and the Constitution is Amended. The XIVth Amendment doesn’t change anything; United States v. Rhodes is still Precedent.

Had the Obama Campaign and their allies not laid such a thick smokescreen, obscuring facts going back to 1942, for much of his mother’s record has also been extensively doctored, the task would have been relatively easy.

It would be fair to say that I have never seen anything like it and I suspect very few other people have either. This matter should never have got this far. I have never seen such a twisted version of Legality and it cannot be an accident.

So if there’s so much proof of this..how did it get by? Dosn’t someone check these things out? Before the election?

Why do all of you people keep making this a “race” issue? It can’t be about race…SINCE THERE IS NO BIRTH CERTIFICATE TO DETERMINE WHETHER HE’S BLACK OR WHITE!

He is THE MANCHURIAN CANDIDATE!

WELL TOM. I CALL EM AS I SEE EM. AND YOU SIR ARE AN IDIOT.
I TROUNCED YOU ON THE FACT THAT I AM BLACK AND SPANISH AND THEREFORE CANNOT BE A RACIST OR BELONG TO A WHITE POWER GROUP.
I TROUNCED YOU ON THE FACT THAT OBAMA HAS ADMITTED TO TRAVELING TO PAKISTAN IN 1981 AND THEREBY HAD TO HAVE HAD ANOTHER PASSPORT ERGO HE HAD DUAL CITIZENSHIP.
EVEN IF HE WAS BORN IN HAWAII. HE WAS ADOPTED BY HIS INDONESIAN STEP FATHER AND ATTENDED A MUSLIM SCHOOL AND OBTAINED INDONESIAN CITIZENSHIP.
YOU NEED TO BRUSH UP ON THE CONSTITUTION YOURSELF.
I HAPPEN TO HOLD A LAW DEGREE WHICH I AM SURE YOU SIR DO NOT.

I hate to have to keep repeating myself, but….
Wingnuts, when presented with facts that refute misinformation, tend to believe the misinformation more strongly. The truth makes them dumber.

Obamination = a clown

SHEPBLUES. YET ANOTHER IN THE LONG LINE OF IDIOTS ON HERE.
SNOPES CERTIFIED A COPY OF A COLB. WHAT IS MISSING IS THE LONG FORM LIKE MCCAIN VOLUNTARILY SHOWED THE AMERICAN PEOPLE.
OBAMA HAS NO LONG FORM.
SO TAKE SNOPES AND FACTCHECK AND USE IT AS TOILET PAPER BECAUSE THAT IS ALL THE GOOD IT IS.
THEY JUST CERTIFIED A COPY THAT WAS PUT ONLINE.
NOBODY. I REPEAT NOBODY. HAS EVER SEEN OBAMAS LONG FORM.
I HAVE A LONG FORM. 100 OF MY CLASSMATES HAVE LONG FORMS FROM THE 1960S.
THEY ARE HAND TYPED.
WE ALSO HAVE COLBS. THEY ARE COPIES LIKE YOUR FRAUDBAMAS.

This is a lot like arguing with those who don’t believe that dinosaurs ever existed. I could bang their head against the t-rex bones at the museum and they’d still say, “It’s not there.”

You could roll the birth certificate up and shove it up their….nose, and they’d still tell you it’s not there, or it’s a fake, or it’s not valid because he had two citizenships.

It’s valid. He was sworn in by the Chief Justice. He’s President.

You only marginalize yourselves.

WELL JOEDIRT. AT LEAST I RETIRED AT 40 A MULTIMILLIONAIRE. SO MAYBE YOU SHOULD LEARN TO BE A CLOWN. A WIPE.

Well, OBAMINATION, first of all, you have not “trounced” on anything. First of all, you can be a member of a white power group if you are half black, and I fail to see how being half black and half Spanish precludes you from being a racist.
Second, even if Obama has dual citizenship, that means nothing. No trouncing there.
My knowledge of Constitutional law seems to be a little sharper than yours. You still have not explained your Constitutional argument since I “trounced” your previous argument.

By the way, I do have a law degree, and am a practicing member of the Missouri Bar.

No Jellio keep it up..Colbert just ripped Ms Davies a new one on the kids getting a job to eat…isn’t that what started this argument?

I’d love to keep reading all of these entertaining comments, but I want to go out on the deck of my condo at the Lake of the Ozarks, and enjoy a peaceful evening. I figure I’d better enjoy it now, because soon, Barack will decide that I don’t deserve to have it all to myself. He’ll probably decide that I should allow low-income (i.e. low-tax-payers) to use it; so that they are equal. Hell, he’ll probably make me buy there gas to get here, and stock the fridge with cold beer for them.

When I first heard about President Obama’s Birth Certificate questions I thought it was just a bunch of whackos. But as time has passed and he hasn’t simply produced it and stopped all controversy my mind is changing. I think he probably was born in Hawaii but there is something on his birth certificate that he doesn’t want seen. His mother was an atheist and his father was Muslim. So I think the birth certificate probably says something like Religion: Muslim.
— Dan
10:17 pm July 1st, 2009

umm, yeah, your birth certificate doesn’t mention your religion in this country.

so another “theory” of the wingnuts shot down!

JELLIO. MY DEAR IDIOT. HE CAN BE REMOVED FROM OFFICE FOR FRAUD.
AND A REAL PRESIDENT CAN BE IMPEACHED.
JUST BECAUSE HE IS PRESIDENT TO YOU, DOES NOT MEAN THAT HE IS PRESIDENT.
THERE ARE MANY PEOPLE. VERY HIGH IN THE MILITARY THAT DO NOT ACCEPT HIM AS POTUS AND ALSO REFUSE TO OBEY ANY COMMAND GIVEN BY HIM.
UNTIL IT IS PROVEN HE IS POTUS BY LEGAL MEANS.

And if i retired at 40 as a multimillionaire i sure as heck wouldn’t be sitting in front of my computor

TOM YOU ARE DELUSIONAL. I’D LIKE TO SEE YOUR STATE BAR LICENSE NUMBER AND THE FIRM YOU WORK WITH.
THAT WAY I COULD PUT A FACE ON AN IDIOT THAT THINKS A HALF BLACK/SPANISH MAN CAN BE RACIST AND BELONG TO A WHITE POWER GROUP.
AND CONTINUES TO IGNORE MY CONSTITUTIONAL ARGUMENT.
AT ANY RATE. IF YOU PROVE YOU ARE AN ATTORNEY. I WILL BE WILLING TO PLACE 5K IN AN ESCROW ACCOUNT THAT SAYS OBAMA WILL BE REMOVED FROM OFFICE BY THE END OF THE YEAR AND PROBABLY IMPRISONED FOR BEING A USURPER.
IF YOU ARE GAME. JUST POST YOUR BAR LICENSE AND THE ATTORNEY OF YOUR CHOICE FOR ESCROW.
LETS SEE IF YOU CAN PUT YOUR MONEY (IF YOU HAVE ANY) WHERE YOUR MOUTH IS.

WHY FRENCHTOWN? DON’T MILLIONAIRES USE COMPUTERS?
IS THAT YOUR DEMOCRATIC LOGIC? OR LACK THEREOF.
JUST ANOTHER IDIOT.

Well yes they do use computors,obviously..But if i was in your place i’d be floating on my yacht off a tropical island far away from the America you hate.

Obamination, I guess you should be the leader of the republican party with all your bright ideas. Hahaha. Clown.

just produce it and end the controversy

can you legally be president or not…..

its not wrong to expect the minimum amount of proof…..he couldnt get a drivers liscense without it in some states

put it out, the long form….not the short one or the fake one admittedly made for you

OBAMINATION, I have “ignored” your Constitutional argument because after I showed you that there are only two Constitutional requirements to be president, (1) being a natural born citizen, and (2) being 35 years old and being a resident of the U.S. for 14 years, you have no Constitutional argument. I have repeatidly asked for it.

I will not put my name an bar association number here, but if you want, I will email it to you. How much will I get for it? Also, what guarentee do I have you will live up to your part of the bargain? Hmm, it seems like wel have all the elements of a contract now.

joedirt1955 the only clown is those who wouldnt want this proof produced….

I checked your links jellio and ShepBlues. That is not the “long form” birth certificate. That is a computer printout of what is in Hawaii’s records. I know you are not born into a religion however Original Birth certificates may contain religion or other information that is not printed on the computer print out (there is on mine). I believe he was born in Hawaii and in a natural born citizen I just question why he won’t release a copy of the certificate that he wrote that he saw in one of his books.

FRENCHTOWN.
OK THERE IS SOMETHING CALLED TECHNOLOGY.
IT ALLOWS ONE TO SIT ON A YACHT WITH A SATELLITE WIRELESS CARD AND USE THE COMPUTER.
ISN’T THAT AMAZING!
IT’S CALLED TECHNOLOGY.
AND YES PEOPLE USE IT. EVEN RICH MILLIONAIRES ON YACHTS GO ON THE INTERNET.
OMFG. TRULY I FEEL SORRY FOR YOU.

YOUR FRIEND JOEDIRT IS PROBABLY AS BRAINDEAD AS YOURSELF.
WHAT HAPPENED TO THIS ONCE GREAT NATION?
PEOPLE LIKE YOU.

Hey Obnation…button on keyboard on the left..i know you hate that..called capslock..hit it with your head

DAN. IT DOESN’T MATTER ABOUT THE BIRTH CERTIFICATE.
HE ALREADY IS DISQUALIFIED BECAUSE HE HAD DUAL CITIZENSHIP.

There is clear prima facie evidence that Senator Barack Hussein Obama has held at least two Citizenships, American and Indonesian.

Under Article II of the Constitution that disqualifies him for POTUS, and it should. He may also have held other Nationalities, how many it is not clear. No crime has been committed in the USA but two Legal Systems have been bent as far as they could be without breaking.

He isn’t Eligible unless and until the Supreme Court Rules on Dual Nationality or the Congress passes Statute Law and the Constitution is Amended. The XIVth Amendment doesn’t change anything; United States v. Rhodes is still Precedent.
Had the Obama Campaign and their allies not laid such a thick smokescreen, obscuring facts going back to 1942, for much of his mother’s record has also been extensively doctored, the task would have been relatively easy.

It would be fair to say that I have never seen anything like it and I suspect very few other people have either. This matter should never have got this far. I cannot even at this point say that Senator Obama has committed a crime or broken the Law but I have never seen such a twisted version of Legality and it cannot be an accident.

Canoe on the Meremac

FRENCHTOWN.
IS THAT WHAT YOU DO TO TURN YOUR OFF?
OH NOW I SEE WHY YOU ARE SO STUPID. MUST BE BRAIN DAMAGE.
USE YOUR FINGER IT HURTS LESS.

Frenchtown,

Yes, this started with the embarrassment of O’Fallon MO.

Hey Tom

doesnt the question come down to Obama’s parents citizenship? If his father were Kenyan when he fathered him…..is he a natural born citizen? Maybe we need a Supreme Court ruling on the actuasl meaning…..of course they wouldnt want it ruled on now would they?

What about Indonesia’s school and citizenship rules…..if he were adopted by Mr Sotero, wouldnt he be disqualified….due to possible dual citizenship or possibly become a naturalized Indonesian?

Just produce the document

If there was nothing there….he would throw it out there….

and Tony Messenger how about some non judgemental writing next time…or just keep this up, i cant do anything more than cancel my subscription like ive done already

Obamination, I feel sorry that you were taken and probed by aliens too. Poor clown. Hahaha

I’m retarded.

Paddle faster canoe…don’t you hear them banjo’s?

wheres the legitimate discussion here….could the name calling children head somewhere else…there has to be an aol chatroom hosted Janeane Garofalo where your name calling might get you some points….and leave the chatting to the informed grownups?

Hmm, it looks like OBAMINATION will not pony up.

Ben, parent’s citizenship is irrelevant. The Constitution does not not say anything about anyone’s parent’s anywhere. The 14th amendment says that anyone born in the United States is a U.S. citizen. If they were born in the United States, they would be a natural born citizen.

Dual citizenship does not end U.S. citizenship. Renouncing citizenship does, but gaining dual citizenship does not.

Also, there is no Constitutional requirement to produce this “long form” birth certificate. The state in which he is born, HI, says he was born there, and they are the ones who determine citizenship of their state. I really do not understand this obsession with this theoritical other birth certificate…

The reason I asked about the aliens obamination is that I currently have an anal probe that keeps sending signals to my brain that tells my Obama is president.
Actually I do like it up the butt. But don’t tell anyone.

I’M READY TO PONY UP TOM! I NEED YOUR BAR#.
FIRM ADDRESS AND PHONE.
AND ESCROW ATTORNEY INFO.
I WILL EVEN DOUBLE IT TO 10K.
I FEEL LIKE MAKING SOME EASY MONEY.

Obamination.
I would pony up, but I am broke.
Most lawyers make less than 25k a year.
I am one of them. Can I take out a loan with you?
I mean I’m good for the 10k. .
I’m moving out of my Moms basement next month and I moving up to section 8.
I can borrow money from Obama.

Ben..your correct…it’s always 1 who disrupts a decent discussion…

Haha, good one Obamination. Your still a joke, clown.

The GOP buffoons are just plain laughable. Better they should investigate methods to counteract the lack of morals and marital scruples of the odious Mr. Blunt, who wishes to succeed Mr. Bond.

Validated Facts on Obama Eligibility Story Updated and Expanded

If you read the articles at the link and review the citations at the embedded links, you will be “literate” about the facts of the “eligibility” story and will be able to inform the public objectively.

AKA Obama Fans: All together now – say OMG!!
http://thesteadydrip.blogspot.com/2009/04/aka-obama-fans-all-together-now-say-omg.html

Shouldn’t it be plain and simple to see? Obamination has just been heckling all of you. He knows Obama is and will continue to be our president for the full term. He also knows that all of the people who are truly intelligent are not currently posting. They won’t waste time with his type. I am having a mighty good laugh at his expense. And so is he at yours! Post On!

You know it’s weird when Florida stole the election from Mr Gore the leftists were wrong but now when its all about something that .if true?..should have been in the news is just now being debated?

Interesting that Obama registered as an Indonesian citizen and a Muslim at a school in Indonesia at a time when no one but an Indonesian citizen could attend school there and dual-citizenship was not allowed.
Interesting that Obama traveled extensively through Pakistan at a time when someone with an American passport would not be allowed to do so.
Interesting that Obama has spent upwards of $1Million for attorneys who help him keep his birth certificate, college records, and as much of his past as possible, secret.
Interesting that the National Parks Service CANNOT determine where his actual birthplace is in order to register it as a national monument like the birthplaces of Abraham Lincoln, Harry Truman, Herbert Hoover, and the rest of the Presidents of the United States.
People who have nothing to hide shouldn’t act like they do.

Obama’s Presidential Eligibility: What You Need to Know

Mostly facts and very little rhetoric, all properly cited. This is how research should be done.

Now what will the Obot PSYOPS agents do?

Let me Guess; ridicule, name calling, personal attacks and changing the subject.

http://www.therightsideoflife.com/?p=6216

It’s horrible that elected officials are so ignorant of the law.

“The 14th Amendment of the U.S. Constitution guarantees citizenship at birth to almost all individuals born in the United States or in U.S. jurisdictions, according to the principle of jus soli. Certain individuals born in the United States, such as children of foreign heads of state or children of foreign diplomats, do not obtain U.S. citizenship under jus soli.
Certain individuals born outside of the United States are born citizens because of their parents, according to the principle of jus sanguinis (which holds that the country of citizenship of a child is the same as that of his / her parents).”
http://urbanlegends.about.com/od/barackobama/a/obama_citizen.htm

If only the Republicans would be this passionate about healthcare.

Obama had to have been born in a strange country.

How else do you explain his strange personality and leadership?

Well, I see Obamination made a total fool of himself last night with his childish name poaching and his delusional lies.

Good job all.

SheilaS wrote: —-”Interesting that Obama registered as an Indonesian citizen and a Muslim at a school in Indonesia at a time when no one but an Indonesian citizen could attend school there and dual-citizenship was not allowed.”—-

Well, Sheila, haven’t we discussed this before?

It makes no difference whatsoever what his step-father wrote on his school admission form.

A minor child who is natural born U.S. citizen CAN NOT renounce that citizenship, nor can that citizenship be renounced for him by his parent.

See Perkins v. Elg for a SCOTUS case on this very issue.

Sheila wrote: —-Interesting that Obama traveled extensively through Pakistan at a time when someone with an American passport would not be allowed to do so.—-

What is interesting is how you keep ignoring the facts, even when they are pointed out to you over and over. Why is that?

There was no travel ban for Americans to go to Pakistan at the time in question. That lies has been debunked so many times.

Why do you keep repeating it?

Sheila writes: —Interesting that the National Parks Service CANNOT determine where his actual birthplace is in order to register it as a national monument like the birthplaces of Abraham Lincoln, Harry Truman, Herbert Hoover, and the rest of the Presidents of the United States.—

Where do you come up with this nonsense?

According to the National park service the following presidents are not represented by ANY national park site, James Monroe, Grover Cleveland, William J. Clinton, Richard Nixon, Chester A. Arthur, George W. Bush, William Henry Harrison, George H.W. Bush, John Tyler, Woodrow Wilson, Millard Fillmore, Warren H. Harding, Franklin Pierce, Calvin Coolidge.

Furthermore, of the remaining, not all of them have their birthplaces as park sites. Ronald Reagan, for instance. His boyhood home in Dixon is noted, but that is not where he was born.

Please stop reading WND, they just lie to you.

yeah Alferd, funny how the arguments of the birthers hold about as much water as sieve! But they still throw them out, one after another, to hide why they REALLY don’t like Obama (hmm, I wonder…)

Obama-birthers are cut from the same cloth as Holocaust deniers and 9/11 Troofers. They’re bottom feeders who deserve all the ridicule they get.

One simple fact stopped the “McCain is not a citizen” window-lickers in their tracks. Naval bases, like embassies and consulates, are considered sovereign territory. Being born in a base hospital is no different Constitutionally than being born state side.

Where Obamalini was born isn’t nearly as interesting as who his parents and main influences were. A study of that goes a long way to explaining his distaste for basic American values and embrace of left-wing despots.

This is just more evidence that the Republican party tolerates and supports hate groups. This is part of an ongoing effort to make the Democratic party illegitimate in eyes of hatemongers. This is the main reason that they find themselves without a federal government job they seek to make the President illegitimate. Reasonable people should beware of rightwing law and order groups to start they are suspect from the start. NAZI and Communists as well as Tories are all for law and order. Before the American revolution bloody codes existed in this hemisphere with some 250 charges that were punishable by death without trial by jury. This was handed out by members of the Church of England exclusively no one else was permitted in such a position. The constitution deals with this whole mess very well.

Go Fish,
Glad to see you consider the “birthers” with all the seriousness they should be afforded. I just can’t believe there are elected Republican officials who give these people the time of day. They need to be voted out!

But I fail to see how Obama’s parents are an example of a “distaste of American values”. Just because his mother was interested in world cultures and married men from other countries doesn’t make them anti-American.

In fact I think Obama, as the son of an immigrant who came from humble beginnings to rise to Harvard Law, gave to his community as an organizer, went to the Senate and the Presidency is a great example of the spirit of America.

skahtt,

Prior to Obama being elected, he was never vetted by the press. The pro-Obama bloggers here never once were able to produce any information on what Obama accomplished as a Senator. Contrary to what you and other liberal bloggers here say, there is no hate for Obama. What there is, however, is contempt that a man with no descernable accomplishments and with a past that has never been revealed, got to be President of the United States. I have never seen his birth certificate but only a computer generated “Certificate of Live Birth” which could not have been printed until recently, yet it’s accepted by the press as being the real certificate. When he came over to the US from Indonesia, he made it into Punahou School. That school had very tough requirements and I find it hard to believe that he made it in solely on the merits of his Indonesian education. How his mother and grandparents afforded that school is beyond me. I can believe he made it into Harvard based on his race and possible achievements at Punahou..but we can’t be sure…it has never been revealed. He then took a trip around the world or to points far east. I can’t figure out where he got the money for that either. How did he do in college? What were the papers he wrote? How did he afford the trip? How did he survive after college? He has had access to a lot of money over the years but it has never been fully explained.

No, I don’t hate Obama…I just don’t believe anything about him..and neither should you…as he has lied to you ever since becoming President, as I noted in an earlier post. He has lied about taxes, transparency, Guantanamo, the stimulus and many more that have been documented.

His shady past and lack of transparency about his upbringing is coming home to roost.

I don’t recall Republicans being too interested in every past detail of George W. Bush’s pre-Presidential life logicprevails. I mean, the guy was a drunk and possible cokehead till the age of 40, there were questions as to how his failed business ventures were covered up by his politico father, not to mention his DWI. And then there was the matter of him going AWOL from the Alabama National Guard during Vietnam.

Republicans told us that was in the past, he found Jesus and was a good family man (which I do not dispute) and that’s all that matters.

All I’m asking for is a little consistency.

I just love the “he was never vetted” meme.

Look, it was the job of the GOP to uncover any and everything negative about him.

They control the executive branch of the State of Hawaii.

If there was anything to this nonsense, the RNC would have been all over it like a pit bull on a T-bone.

Give it up, already.

Logicprevails,

Do you really believe yourself to be so keen and insightful enought to tell someone that just because you don’t believe Obama is a citizen and because you don’t believe anything that he says that they should not either?

Why don’t you join this group of like minded people if you have not aready. (lol).

I notice they’re are no pictures of a child Obama in Hawaii or Washington state or anywhere in the United States, before age 5. I suppose that was before they made camera’s? Or are the photos all in Kenya?

Both sides polarized with no middle ground. Normal, even the fool Alferd is here. But why can’t both sides agree there are things we just no not know about this man setting in our White House? He is like smoke on a windy day, nothing stays around long enough to really see what is there. No information about his past has ever been released in over a year, Why? What is he hiding? You have to know he is hiding something or this cloak and dagger attitude would not be necessary. So many questions and absolutely not one answer. Shouldn’t his supporters want to see the truth just like his opponents? Or do the supporters already know the truth, that his father was not an American, and that is all that is really needed to prove he is not Natural Born and therefore can not be Constitutionally President. I think the Birth Certificate was smoke to hide the elephant in the room that no one sees. Our founding fathers put Natural Born in our Constitution for a person just like this one today. To keep a person with ties to countries, people, and causes outside of the United States from becoming our Commander in Chief. This 4th of July think about America, and as you do, picture Obama, is that your idea of our great country? Have a Happy 4th, try to remain FREE!

old1…touched by your words…keep a light heart and even the heaviest weights can be borne…keep a sharp eye and even the haziest path can be tred…keep an awake mind and even the scariest liberals can be inured.

Have a happy 4th in this land of the formerly-free!

Aren’t there animal cruelty laws that cover such beating of a dead horse?

I am a birther rather than a legitimizer but I am more committed to accuracy than politics.

Stop with the banned travel to Pakistan story, it isn’t true.

Phil Berg also has a mistake. Because it was completely wrong I didn’t even mention it in my article. Phil says: Pakistan was so dangerous that it was on the State Department’s travel ban list for U.S. Citizens. Non-Muslim visitors were not welcome unless sponsored by their embassy for official business. A Muslim citizen of Indonesia traveling on an Indonesian passport would have success entering Indonesia, Pakistan and India. Therefore, it is believed Obama traveled on his Indonesian passport entering the Countries.
Phil is completely wrong about this and we need to provide accurate information to our members.. We can’t help but look good if we catch lawyer mistakes and correct them.

The truth is that it was neither impossible nor difficult for Americans to visit Pakistan in 1981 according to a contemporary New York Times article and a followup article written by an American Travel Writer, Barbara Crossette, who visited there:

… It is possible to cross from India to Pakistan by train from Amritsar and Delhi, but border procedures can be long and complicated. A road crossing at Wagah is also open for a few daylight hours. Check schedules, and allow several extra hours for border formalities.

Tourists can obtain a free, 30-day visa (necessary for Americans) at border crossings and airports. Transportation within Lahore is plentiful, with taxis, scooter rickshaws and horse-drawn tongas (especially in the old city) readily available.

Travel Advisory
Passport Services/Bureau of Consular Affa[irs]
Department of State/Wahington. D.C. 205__

AUGUST 17, 1981

TRAVEL TO PAKISTAN

BEFORE TRAVELING TO PAKISTAN, AMERICAN CITIZENS SHOULD BE AWARE OF THE FOLLO[WING] UPDATED VISA REQUIREMENTS: 30 DAY VISAS ARE AVAILABLE AT PAKISTANI AIRPORTS [FOR] TOURISTS ONLY. AS THESE VISAS ARE RARELY EXTENDED BEYOND THE 30 DAY TIME PER[IOD,] TOURISTS PLANNING TO STAY LONGER SHOULD SECURE VISAS BEFORE COMING TO PAKIS[TAN.] ANY TRAVELER COMING INTO PAKISTAN OVERLAND FROM INDIA MUST REPEAT MUST HA[VE A] VALID VISA, AS 30 DAY VISAS ARE NOT REPEAT NOT ISSUED AT THE OVERLAND BOR[DER] CROSSING POINT AT WAGHA.

ANY NON-OFFICIAL AMERICAN WHO IS IN PAKISTAN FOR MORE THAN 30 DAYS MUST REGIS[TER] WITH THE GOVERNMENT’S FOREIGNER REGISTRATION OFFICE. EXIT PERMITS ARE REQUI[RED] FOR THOSE WHO HAVE STAYED LONGER THAN 30 DAYS BEFORE THEY ARE ALLOWED TO LE[AVE T]HE COUNTRY. ALL AMERICANS TRAVELING TO PAKISTAN ON OFFICIAL BUSINESS OR [FOR] PRIVATE EMPLOYMENT ARE REQUIRED TO HAVE A VISA BEFORE ARRIVAL, AND, AS [THE] GOVERNMENT OF PAKISTAN’S CLEARANCE PROCESS IS OFTEN QUITE LENGTHY, WE WOULD URGE TH[OSE] COMING TO APPLY AT THE NEAREST PAKISTANI EMBASSY OR CONSULATE AS FAR IN ADVA[NCE] OF THEIR SCHEDULED ARRIVAL AS POSSIBLE.

THIS SUPERSEDED REQUIREMENTS SET FORTH IN DEPARTMENT PUBLICATION M-264, ["VISA] REQUIREMENTS OF FOREIGN GOVERNMENTS.["]

EXPIRATION DATE: INDEFINITE.

No travel ban. They even tell you how to do it!

As long as I am correcting inaccuracies I might as well mention this one:

Orly has the wrong citation on Hawaiian law that could account for Obama being registered as being born in Hawaii. I have it correct in my article:

http://thesteadydrip.blogspot.com/2009/04/aka-obama-fans-all-together-now-say-omg.html

Laws of the Territory of Hawaii ACT 96 To Provide For The Issuance Of Certificates Of Hawaiian Birth was in effect from 1911 until 1972 and allowed someone who was born outside the Hawaiian Islands to be registered as though he were born in Hawaii. Under that law, someone simply would have presented herself to the Hawaiian authorities and declared that the child was born in Hawaii. The person could have sworn under oath and presented witnesses and other evidence. If the authorities accepted it, that was the end of it.. The only way to know where AKA OBAMA was actually born is to view AKA OBAMA’s original birth certificate from 1961 to see what kind of birth certificate it is, and to examine what corroborating evidence supports what it says about AKA OBAMA’s alleged place of birth. If the birth was in a hospital, as AKA OBAMA has maintained, such evidence would be the name of the hospital and the name and signature of the doctor who delivered him.

Orly cites: BESIDE’S STATUTE 338-17.8 and other’s. see �338-20.5 Adoption; foreign born persons. (a) The department of health shall establish a Hawaii certificate of birth for a person born in a foreign country and for whom a final decree of adoption has been entered in a court of competent jurisdiction in Hawaii, when it receives the following:

Please note that Obama was born in 1961 and Section 338-17.8 only went into effect in 1982. It is always good to know more than the attorney and catch them making a mistake. Makes it look like we know what we are doing. J

To Our Elected Representatives of the 111th Congress,

Almost 233 years ago an august group of courageously committed men signed off on a now famous open letter to King George with the following line:

“‘And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes, and our sacred Honor.”  (The Unanimous Declaration of the thirteen united States of America)

Is there not one among you that bears that same courage of conviction borne by our founding fathers? Not ONE out of all 535 of you? NOT ONE?!?!?!

If there is not, then after the almost 233 years of our independent republic we have failed and the republic no longer stands and as we stand on the eve of the 233rd birthday of our great nation I would submit and declare the following:

Amongst the body of Congress there appears to have developed a pervasive attitude of privilege and rank that is antithetical to the Congress of the United States that I support and was designed by our founders. This was most recently publically demonstrated in the exchange between Barbara Boxer and Brigadier General Michael Walsh in which she asserted that she had worked very hard to earn her title as “Senator” and that he should address her as such. Ms. Boxer, if I may address you personally for a moment, maam, let me guarantee you that anything in your life that you have worked hard for and earned pales in comparison to what Brigadier General Walsh has earned. He would never demand respect as you did. It is not within his character. He does not have to because HE has earned it and now owns it and receives it from all who matter. This is something you will never have because you do not know how to earn it. Respect is not a function of title, wealth or ability. It is a description of character and is automatically and freely given to those who have earned it. Your “title” of “Senator” was not earned through hard work and it affords you no special demand for respect. Instead, it is the result of a popularity contest among the unpopular. In contrast, the General has volunteered to serve this nation, very often in austere conditions and always at great personal sacrifice for the last 33 years. In your professional life you have begged We the People for a job each election cycle. We, the General included, are NOT your inferiors nor your subjects. We are your employers.

Let me now move toward the main point of this letter. Prior to arrival, please know that I am NOT a subscriber to conspiracy theories. I am also neither blind nor stupid. I am also not alone. Many more are joining us each and every day as the word virally spreads. It is snowballing into an avalanche. There are millions of us and we are intent on informing millions more. Soon, we will not be a minority.
Finally, before I continue, let me offer my thanks. Because of you, our elected representatives, an unbelievable number of people are once again beginning to read the Constitution and the Declaration of Independence and are for the first time discovering a very simple truth that has been hidden over the recent decades by the education system, media and judiciary in this country. They are discovering that these documents were written and ratified in very simple, easy to read and unambiguous English. Many of the younger ones are also discovering that they are not quite sure they have ever had all of the rights guaranteed to them that are guaranteed by the constitution and they are researching as to when and why they may have lost those rights and who was responsible. To paraphrase a quote often mistakenly attributed to the Japanese Imperial Admiral Yamamoto after the attack on Pearl Harbor, “”[You] have awakened a sleeping giant and have instilled in him a terrible resolve”. That is the sum of what I feel that I may currently thank you for.

Despite the media blackout on the subject, denial via belittling and dismissive form letters from your offices and the continuing campaign to marginalize us, our numbers continue to grow at an accelerated pace. We are not going away and we will be heard.

We KNOW these TRUTHS to be SELF-EVIDENT:
1. We KNOW Barack Hussein Obama has NOT produced an original vault copy birth certificate. Instead, his campaign published what they claimed was a birth certificate but is actually a short form called a “Certificate of Live Birth”.
     a. We KNOW that if the Certificate of Live Birth image is downloaded directly from Obama’s website and opened by way of a ‘text editor’ it can be plainly shown that the picture/document was altered via Adobe Photoshop prior to being published.
     b. We KNOW that the Factcheck.org “verification” of this same” birth certificate” is without value considering Obama’s close ties with the Annenberg Foundation, the angles and distance at which they shot the follow up pictures and their intentional misrepresentation of what Hawaiian officials have stated about the subject.
     c. We KNOW that the State of Hawaii issued such certificates of live birth, as a matter of law, to persons that both were and were not born in Hawaii, merely on the claim of ONE relative.
     d. We KNOW that Dr. Fukino, the director of the Hawaiian Department of Health DID NOT verify that Obama was born in Hawaii. She VERY CAREFULLY avoided saying so in her press release!
     f. We also KNOW that the Hawaiian Department of Homelands WILL NOT accept the same document, legitimate or not, from any Hawaiian as proof of birth and instead REQUIRES that the long form birth certificate be submitted.
     g. We also KNOW that Obama has spent a sum just either side of one million dollars to date in order to prevent this document from coming to light despite his promise of having the most transparent administration ever.  It would not cost more than twenty-five dollars to produce his true birth certificate.

2. We know that the Selective Service registration card of Mr. Obama has been examined and contains a number of anomalies. We know that if he was not properly registered that, notwithstanding any other reason, he is ineligible for the office he now occupies.
3. We KNOW that he also refuses and is currently fighting not to release ANY of the following additional potentially damning documentation:
     a. Kindergarten records – They are mysteriously the only records missing among his classmates.
     b.  Soetoro adoption records
     c.  Fransiskus Assisi School application and records
     d.  Punahou School records
     e.  Occidental College records
     f.  Passport and Passport Records
     g.  Columbia College records
     h.  Columbia thesis: “Soviet Nuclear Disarmament” 
     i.  Harvard College records
     j.  Harvard Law Review articles (do not exist?)
     k.  Illinois Bar Records
     l.   Baptismal certificate
    m. Medical records
     n.  Illinois State Senate records
     o.  Illinois State Senate schedule
     p.  Law practice client list
     q.  University of Chicago scholarly articles (do not exist?)

The Obama camp REFUSES to release any of these documents. These are the KNOWN list that would establish two things. First, they would confirm the citizenship status of Mr. Obama and thereby his eligibility or ineligibility to hold the office he now occupies. Second, the political philosophy or at least the roots of the political philosophy of Mr. Obama would become evident.
There is also the Constitutional question of what exactly is a “natural born” citizen. In my opinion, even if Barak Obama were born in Hawaii, he does not meet this definition. This was actually borne out and admitted to indirectly during the vetting of Senator McCain, who is ashamedly silent on this issue. Of course, I never considered him a viable candidate either despite the fact that he was eligible to run for the office. Yes, despite his VERY honorable service to our nation, I am challenging his courage to stand up for what is right. He DID stand up for what is right as a young man but I fear that his experiences as a young man and age have sapped his courage. There is no excuse, no matter how outlandish, that dictates the silence and cowardice of the entire Congress.
Without the production of these documents it is without doubt that Mr. Obama WAS NOT properly vetted in any form by anyone! Yet the Congress and media sleep. That is okay, the giant is awakened.

Gentlemen and ladies, there is a challenge that now exists in our country that is without comparison and threatens to become a Constitutional Crisis. Many would argue that it has already reached that level. There are several cases challenging the eligibility of Mr. Obama but no one except individual private citizens and individual members of the military have challenged the eligibility of Mr. Obama and those same citizens are being halted at every turn by the courts, not on the merits of their cases, but on the non-constitutional concept of “standing.” A premise, which even if granted legitimacy, is a concept when applied in this matter, is patently false. The individual citizen does suffer injury in almost innumerable ways if Mr. Obama is ineligible to hold the office that he currently occupies. Military members have the right to know if the orders they must follow are from a legitimate Commander-in-Chief, and thereby lawful. The Constitution was designed to severely limit the powers of government in order to preserve the rights and freedom of the individual and the body as “We the People”. No one EXCEPT citizens has “standing” under the Constitution and that same document GUARANTEES us the right to redress our grievances.  Why is this not being allowed? Why are our elected representatives not guaranteeing that the Constitution is preserved as the Supreme Law of the Land and the rights of the people may be freely exercised?
Documentation not withstanding, these other anomalies are also SELF EVIDENT:
     1. The “President” of the United States has fired the CEO of a major corporation, General Motors, shortly before the federal government seized control of that same corporation. Where in the Constitution are these powers granted to the federal government by We the People?
     2. The federal government has seized more banks and their assets then there are states in the Union. Forty-five this year alone! Where in the Constitution is the Federal Government granted this authority by We the People?
     3. The federal government has seized control of a second major corporation, Chrysler, and dictated its restructuring. Again, where in the Constitution have We the People authorized this?
     4. The “President” has abandoned one of the historically great allies of the United States, Israel, a democratic freedom loving and constantly embattled nation, while apologizing to our historic enemies abroad and most recently is attempting to prop up the socialist dictator in Honduras. This is despite the facts that Israel is arguably more threatened now then at any other time in history and the Honduran Supreme Court nullified a referendum that the dictator is enforcing. Our government is abandoning the very principals that we have always stood upon.
     5. You, the Congress, are attempting to muscle legislation through, in the form of “Cap and Trade”, that is a prohibitive and liberty reducing bill even while admitting that it will create a burden on We the People. This bill is based upon the VERY questionable theory that human beings are causing cataclysmic global warming despite the fact that the leading climatologists tell us that we are entering a “cooling” period and that over the last 10 years global temperatures have consistently dropped.
     6. You are attempting to pass “card check”, at the behest of labor unions, which will destroy the time honored and necessary tradition of the secret ballot and replace it with intimidation.
     7. We the People have watched as the Attorney General declined to prosecute the most blatant case of voter intimidation ever recorded on video in this country.
     8. We the People have watched over the last few decades as the federal government has seized our public education system and forced teachings under the threat of the loss of funds (our own money) that most Americans do not agree with.
     9. The “President”, in collusion with members of Congress, is attempting to seize control of the entire healthcare system which will not only destroy the best health care system in the world but will result in the rationing of health care as well as further erode our freedoms. The federal government will have a free pass and open access into the most personal details of our lives as well as control over every aspect that could affect our health. This is not liberty! IT is being sold as a “Right”.  Any “right” that would erode my freedom I will joyfully surrender for the liberty to pursue my own solution as the Constitution guarantees. Government, by definition, cannot provide or distribute anything that it has not taken from someone because it produces nothing.
    10. The “President” has recently fired three inspector’s general, the internal watchdogs of our bureaucracies, without cause and without due process.  When the previous administration replaced a handful of federal district attorney’s, a move that has become traditional and IS within the authority of the President, there were calls for investigations and even impeachment! Yet now you do not act! I pray that these inspectors have the courage to file “Quo Warranto” suits against Mr. Obama directly challenging his legitimacy to hold the office and therefore, remove them from theirs. Considering the lack of courage or worse, the complicity of the Congress, I believe this will be the Republic’s best chance to recover our liberties and to reestablish itself as it was intended.
   11. Despite the dozens of lawsuits the ENTIRE Congress has refused to assert its authority to examine the eligibility of the “President” or to even address it in any manner. This is the same body that has historically subpoenaed witnesses, held hearings and authorized special prosecutors for the mere whisper of wrong doing among political figures. Despite the growing popular concern and unparalleled threat to our Constitution there is silence. We the People are asking, “Why?”. Your silence and inaction will not be forgotten.
Congress should immediately and unanimously pass a law nullifying all laws that have currently been signed by Mr. Obama as well as all executive orders that he has issued and should halt all other legislative activity until such time as the Constitutionality of his Presidency is either firmly established or proved illegitimate.  Failing that, every single one of you, without exception, should immediately resign in shame in order to allow for your replacements as your individual state constitutions and statutes provide. Perhaps then, we as a nation can recover and restore our republic. It appears that you no longer carry the moral imperative nor exercise your sacred duty to carry on in office and conduct the business of “WE the PEOPLE. There seems to be no honor, sacred or otherwise, among the lot of you.
I could expand my grievances in great number and detail but it would be pointless until those included are resolved. Instead, let me just conclude with the following facts, We the People ARE NOT going away. We the People ARE NOT going to comply. We the People ARE NOT going to forget.

It would, however, seem that the Congress has forgotten “That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.” We the People have not forgotten this.

There is a VERY large number of American citizens that are beginning to believe that we have been the victims of a coup d’état. We watch, many of us silently, as our government performs tyrannical actions that even just one year ago would have seemed impossible in our republic. We now number in the tens of millions and are getting bigger and bigger and bigger. This cannot and will not go away until it is demanded of Mr. Obama that he produce the documentation and until the Supreme Court clearly defines the term “natural born citizen.” We know what our founder’s meant, relying heavily in our founding upon the common law definitions of Vattel’s The Law of Nations. Since there seems to be confusion among the members of Congress, We the People would like it set in stone.
I am asking that someone, ANYONE, among you stand up in the tradition of our founding fathers and start the Congressional snowball rolling. There should be NO OTHER issue before Congress until this is resolved. We are watching and we will replace those that would subvert our Constitutional Republic by their actions or inactions.

May God bless and preserve the union and guide the hearts, minds and actions of those for whom this is intended and all who read it.

Respectfully Submitted,

Todd C. Salzer
Awakened American Citizen and Voter

Wow,

-Guess there’s nothing left to be said, at least by intelligent folks.
Thanks, Todd.

Sam Sewell,

For the sake of accuracy, look at Factcheck’s photo #5 and tell me whether the 2 circles on the page - each intersected by a fold of nearly the same angle - have the same degree of distortion because of the fold. Explain how that result came about.

Also tell me what you see on Factcheck’s photo #1 right under the fold, where “Barack Hussein Obama” is supposed to be. Where the other, shorter lines of print with the same clarity, angle, and scan variables show up clearly, what do you see where “Barack Hussein Obama” is supposed to be? Please explain how that result came about.

Scientific studies always involve a control group. If the circles on the page have a different result, there has to be a factor that is different between them to account for it. What is that factor. If some lines of print show up on a document but not others there must be a different factor that accounts for it. What is that other factor?

The question of whether or not Obama is a natural born citizen is not a conspiracy theory. It is a constitutional issue of utmost importance.

A natural born citizen is a person who is born on U.S. soil to parents who are both citizens of the U.S. either natural born or naturalized. This definition is found in Vattel’s “The Law of Nations”, Book 1, Section 212. It was recognized by Chief Justice Waite in Minor v. Happersett. However, the definition has never been adjudicated in any court of law.

Obama has admitted that he was a British subject at birth by virtue of his father, who, as a Kenyan native, was subject to British rule.

This is the issue to be resolved. Is a person born on U.S. soil who is subject to the jurisdiction of a foreign government a natural born citizen according to the definition understood by the framers of the constitution?

Focusing on the birth certificate detracts from the fundamental question. Even if Obama was born on U.S. soil, is he a natural born citizen?

FUBO!

I agree with your assessment of the dual citizenship angle, NeilBJ. I think that even if America refuses to do due diligence on the Constitutional issue, they CANNOT avert their eyes at an outright federal felony without consigning this nation to absolute lawlessness.

Ask any person whether forgery is a crime that should be prosecuted. Ask any person if we are a nation of laws when the entire system refuses to prosecute a crime documented right in front of our eyes. If they say ”no” they are tossing out everything America stands for. This isn’t just about SCOTUS making a decision; this is about every police department in the nation turning a blind eye to a crime staring us all in the face.

We need to address both avenues. When I realized in my mind and in my gut that Obama knows he’s perpetrated a fraud, it changed my whole view of what’s at stake. This is not a ”technicality”, as I’ve seen some conservatives argue. When I called the FBI and the man lied to me THREE times, it stopped being theory or conspiracy. When my sheriff said I presented interesting information but it’s not their job to investigate the POTUS, it was a slap in the face. When the SCOTUS ruled that not a-one of us has the right to petition the government for a redress of grievances - that it’s none of our business because we lose nothing of value if we lose our country - that was like a spear to my gut.

There are people who are outright lying to cover this up. That, to me, is an even bigger evil. We will see what Mr. Messenger does with this. He can’t make a Constitutional ruling that saves the day, but he CAN either aid and abet in the crime, or he can be an honest American. This is a test of who truly loves America and who is just spouting drivel.

I guess I butchered that one. It should have been:
Ask any person whether forgery is a crime that should be prosecuted. Ask any person if we are a nation of laws when the entire system refuses to prosecute a crime documented right in front of our eyes. If they tolerate the crime and its cover-up they are tossing out everything America stands for. This isn’t just about SCOTUS making a decision; this is about every police department in the nation turning a blind eye to a crime staring us all in the face.

As a genealogist I am aware that Barack Obama’s COLB posted on the internet is merely a computer generated transcription of information from the ORIGINAL document. Many states provide this type of documentation rather than photocopying the original document. These documents are legal in most cases as long as they bear a state imprint. Unfortunately, falsification of such certificates could be relatively simple and might be subject to scrutiny.

Pertinent birth information is omitted on the COLB as well as legal notations subsequent to birth such as name changes, adoptions, etc. Usually parents or siblings have access to obtaining a copy of the COLB however if there was a name change or legal adoption the original document may have been sealed, to be opened only through a court order. Like many others, I surmise that Obama is hiding something.
Other than ancestral genealogy there is no Obama documentation to be found

Original, vault copy birth certificate — Not released
Certificate of Live Birth — Released (falsified??)
Obama/Dunham marriage license — Not released
Obama/Dunham divorce —
Released (by independent investigators)
Soetoro/Dunham marriage license — Not released
Soetoro adoption records — Not released
Soetoro/Dunham divorce —
Released (by independent investigators)
Fransiskus Assisi School School application —
Released (by independent investigators)
Punahou School records — Not released
Selective Service Registration — Released
Occidental College records — Not released
Passport — Not released
Columbia College records — Not released
Columbia thesis — Not released
Harvard College records — Not released
Harvard Law Review articles — None
Baptism certificate — None
Medical records — Not released
Illinois State Senate records — None
Illinois State Senate schedule — Lost
Law practice client list — Not released
University of Chicago scholarly articles — None

Where is the transparency he promised? What is he hiding? And who on this earth has the power and wherewithal to hide or destroy all of these documents?

Cut-and-paste diatribes with “proof” coupled with the denial of any fact that contradicts their “reality” makes for unfounded conspiracies.

Sorry, guys, your “facts” do not stand up.

So now we have a sleeper agent from the former soviet union attempting to subvert the United States President just before his trip to Russia. Coincidence? Conspiracy?

Nuttiness abounds, this almost makes me glad for the Michael Jackson coverage.

Wow, Mr. Salzer (AKA “Todd”) -
You forgot something quite important:
We KNOW Barack Obama (Whoops - forgot the ‘Hussein’ part…) favors the American League over the National League. Oh, the horror!
Pass it on.

An earlier poster mentioned something that all of your “research” failed to mention: Barack HUSSEIN Obama is THE MANCHURIAN CANDIDATE - did he not covertly visit Manchuria after his visits to Pakistan? You can look it up.
Pass it on.

And I have noted a tremendous increase in black helicopter activity since late January. Do you think Barack HUSSEIN Obama is the cause of those as well? Something to do with the unification of the USA, Canada, and Mexico, I am pretty sure.
Pass it on.

And Mr. Salzer - you forgot another VITALLY important document that has not yet surfaced, despite concerted efforts by concerned citizens: The record of Barack HUSSEIN Obama’s bris ceremony. What has he to hide?
Pass it on.

And, Mr. Salzer (AKA “Todd”) - Do you prefer Reynolds Wrap or Generic foil?

Hi Guys!
I see all the “regulars” are here spewing their uninformed opinions on this.

There are enough questions (if you really do some research) that need to be answered. Let’s ALL push to get to the bottom of this mess. That means Obama needs to PROVE he is a “Natural Born Citizen”.

R.Har,Maher,
-When you can’t defeat, or even COPE with the argument, make jokes. Nice.
But hardly worthy of anyone’s time or space.

Ms./Mr. dr-debunk -
My posting makes about as much sense as does Mr. Salzer’s - or (ad in finitum) birthspiracy posters.
Ceptin’ - mine was leavened with humor, which is repudiated by birthspiracy folks (I know, I know - this is too serious to be joked about, right?).
Pass it on.

drbadunkdunk -
Apparently humor and irony are not in your repetoire.

None of these “authorities” has presented credible evidence (except in their own minds). The flat out refusal to accept facts that contradict their fervent (and wrong-headed) belief coincides with their dogmaticism, not any convincing “proof”.

Sorry, nuttiness is running rampant here. Of course if that is the company you prefer, well then keep an eye out for the men in white coats…

Well. Mr. RHarnack -
I believe you have touched on the core of the birthspiracy folk’s screeds when you used the words “flat out:” This ‘level’ corresponds nicely with their denial of a spherical Earth.
“Whadda ya mean it ain’t flat?”
Pass it on.

All the President has to do is produce the long form of his birth certification in order to put this issue to bed. The fact that he hasn’t yet done so shows his complete disrespect for the Constitution he has sworn to uphold and protect. It’t time for the media to put this issue front and center and keep it there until it is settled, one way or another!

It must really suck to be a birther and to be totally ignored.

too bad, so sad

250 comments is not “being ignored”. Again, Post-Dispatch, throw away your bias and print a story about this story. You don’t have to act like it is true. Most of your stuff isn’t anyway. Just put it out there and print newspapers. No one believes that there is any journalist integrity anymore anyway. Except for a very few venues, it just doesn’t exist anymore.

In the words of the historic Helen Thomas, “What the hell do they think we are, puppets?…They are our public servants. We pay them.” I agree Helen, I just wish you had pulled the scales from your eyes years and years ago.

250 comments by the same 10 people on an obscure comment blog is not exactly national attention.

No one cares.

“Ceptin’ - mine was leavened with humor…”

–If that’s what you believe. More like a beaten and bloodied, old and tired mind[set]. Haven’t read one coherent argument against why the O can’t and won’t reveal his records…only “jokes” and ridicule to try and cover the facts.

What is even more troubling is that these people are actually elected by Missourians. The problem is “we the people” are so stupid we actually believe this birther non-sense.