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01.16.2009 1:33 pm

Mo’s patience may pay off

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MIDDAY NEWS AND THOUGHTS

GAUGING THE MARKET: As many in Cardinals National have been screeching about the team’s relative inactivity in the free agent market this offseason, others have started to voice a dissenting viewpoint, pointing out there are still many good free agents out there that may be scooped up later at cheaper prices.

According to ESPN’s Buster Olney, the market for free agents is shaping up in the dissenters’ favor. In a blog today, Olney says: “It is evident that a lot of veteran players are coming to grips with the reality that there isn’t a lot of cash available for the middle class of players this winter. CC Sabathia, Mark Teixeira, A.J. Burnett and Derek Lowe fared well, but the dropoff, after that, gets steeper by the day.” He cites former Cardinal David Eckstein as the latest example. Eckstein earned $4.5 million with the Blue Jays last season, but just Thursday signed an $850,000 contract to play for the Padres this season.

This is not a free pass for the Cardinals to sit on their wallets, but perhaps general manager John Mozeliak has a much better read on this than the average fan. Afterall, he is being paid to be a big league GM.

And in case you missed it, Derrick Goold put together a complete lineup of all-stars that are now available on the free agent market. Take a look at his team in the Birdland Blog and convince me there’s not still plenty of options available. With no one clammering to snatch up these guys now, why not wait awhile until the clearance sale begins?

ON THE OTHER HAND: The Chicago Cubs apparently are not subscribing to the wait-and-see approach in free agency. And while the Cards are working on developing homegrown talent, the Cubs seem to be going in the other direction. In fact, the Chicago Sun Times reported today that, “On Opening Day 2009, only shortstop Ryan Theriot and catcher Geovany Soto figure to be true homegrown players in the Cubs’ starting lineup. That’s not a bad thing, either. The Cubs are spending money the way a big-market team should be, sprinkling in a few of their own along the way.”

One of those that won’t be sprinkled in is former super-prospect Felix Pie. The Cubs have loaded up in the outfield and it looks like this once-can’t-miss prospect will be shipped out.

ASK HIM YOURSELF: You can ask Mozeliak about how this team is shaping up and why he’s doing things the way he is next week when we host a live chat with the Cardinals general manager. Check in with him at 1 p.m. next Wednesday at STLtoday.com.

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THE WATERCOOLER

QUESTION: Do you think the Cardinals will top 3 million in attendance this summer?

JOE STRAUSS
While the economic angst is very appropriate, I believe the Cardinals will continue to receive strong support. I do think the economic climate makes them more vulnerable to a dramatic loss of walk-up sales should the team tank. Barring a meltdown season, I place the attendance over/under at 3.25 million.

DERRICK GOOLD
Selling 3 million tickets is different than drawing 3 million fans. I imagine the Cardinals will clear 3 million in tickets sales for the 11th time in 12 years, and they probably will inch past their budget-target of 3.2 million, even in this wicked economy. But the turnstile will have a different view. For the first time since the opening of the ballpark all of those tough sells — those Tuesday nights vs. Pittsburgh, for example — will really look the part. Empty seats. Empty boxes. No lines for garlic fries and red licorice. The same volunteers each night for the fifth-inning dance off. While the All-Star Game is a heck of an insurance policy for ticket sales, it won’t put red-clad butts in those red-painted seats when August comes unless the team is worth watching.

RICK HUMMEL
They’ll make three million if they start fast. If they’re not contending or interesting in April and early May, it won’t happen.

JEFF GORDON
Despite the terrible economy, I believe the Cards can still draw 3 million if they contend. And I believe they will contend in ’09, despite all the current naysaying. This team may have to do some ticket discounting on the fly, as the Blues have, but the team should get that number. It helps that the Rams have tanked and the Blues are struggling, too. More than ever, this is Cardinal Nation. Fans will quit a number of vices before they get to baseball.

TOM TIMMERMANN
I don’t think so. Even if the team was championship worthy, I think it would be a tough sell this summer. People are going to pull a DeWitt and play it close to the vest with their money. They’ll sit back, pop open a beer and listen to Dan and Al. Or Mike and John. Or read Joe and Derrick and Rick, though hopefully not drinking a beer over the morning paper.

MIKE SMITH
Signs of the times: The Smith family probably will have to dump its annual $5,500 contribution to DeWitt Care for two seats out in left field. And fan grousing seems to be at an unprecedented level for the 29 years I’ve worked in the P-D sports department. Still … if the Cards find a second baseman who at least looks like he wants to be on the field, then put their best lineup out there and ACTUALLY LEAVE IT OUT THERE more than one or two days a week (“Leading off and playing left field, Joe Thurston!”), you’ve got the makings of a season that could attract 3 million fans.

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THINGS TO PONDER

BREAKING UP IS HARD TO DO: USC coach Pete Carroll got blistered today by L.A. Times columnist Bill Plaschke for how he’s handled the news that QB Mark Sanchez will enter the NFL draft early. Sanchez has already received his bachelor’s degree, and even though he has one year of eligibility remaining, the fact that he is ranked among the 10 best players in this year’s draft made the lure of the NFL just too much. Plaschke says Carroll handled Sanchez’s decision “with all the decorum of a jilted lover.”

Is it about the kid or is it about winning, Pete?

OK, THIS IS ONLY A JOKE: It’s a well-known fact that former NFL quarterback Archie Manning sired the last two Super Bowl winning QBs — Peyton and Eli Manning. But according to the satirical magazine The Onion, Archie may not yet be out of the running for a third consecutive Super Bowl in his family, even though Peyton’s Colts and Eli’s Giants have been eliminated from the playoffs. “Donovan McNabb Is Also My Son,” reads the headline. Check it out.

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NOW THAT’S SAYING SOMETHING

“During my 18 years I came to bat almost 10,000 times. I struck out about 1,700 times and walked maybe 1,800 times. You figure a ballplayer will average about 500 at bats a season. That means I played seven years without ever hitting the ball.”
— Mickey Mantle

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Which free agents are out there still that could by their addition level the playing field with the Cubs, that could be a possible bargain?

I can only think of one, Ben Sheets.

Hudson is still out there, he would help a bit but I dont think this team will bring him in at any cost with the Kennedy situation.

Wolf, isnt as good as Sheets and has a worse injury history.

Garland, had a great year a couple years ago but still not a great pitcher. Looper had a better year last year than him. I believe Looper had an average Garland year last year (unless im mistaken).

Oliver Perez is still out there, this guy is a complete wild card. He has stuff, he is the right age…
but im scared to death of this guy.
I think he just has something wrong with him that will never be fixed like Kip Wells.

I think we have a good chance at getting a good LHRP though for cheap.

It looks like once again we are counting on Carp being the difference maker. Maybe he will, maybe he wont. I do tend to think he will come back this year

but Its just a bad policy. How many years did the Cubs waste on Prior and Wood, how many did we on Mulder and Carp?

I mean I think the Cards will get a bargain, but beggars cant be chosers either. I think we get stuck with some cheap crud and finish 2nd.

— jealousblues
2:20 pm January 16th, 2009

The cubs won 97 games last yeare, 11 more than the Cardinals. And spent quite a bit this offseason. If you think Ben Sheets puts us on par with the Cubs you are drinking some serious Kool-Aid. They have a good team and a massive homefield advantage.

We are playing for the wild card, forget about the Cubs.

— TheBirds
2:34 pm January 16th, 2009

You mean to tell me that the GM of an MLB team knows more about the business than the fan? Maybe someone should swing by Bernie’s Pressbox or Cards Talk and tell some of the fans lined up on the ledge that. I’m just sayin…

— Jason
3:50 pm January 16th, 2009

The Cubs have a “home field advantage”? Seriously, where do you people come up with this stuff?

— dhaab
3:58 pm January 16th, 2009

55-26 vs 42-38

I’m too lazy to find the offensive stats for home and away. But I hope you were being sarcastic.

— TheBirds
5:08 pm January 16th, 2009

“perhaps general manager John Mozeliak has a much better read on this than the average fan”……….I mean, really, need we say any more? This is the comment of the offseason. Hopeful the “average fan” will read this and get it into their brain.

— dn3524
5:23 pm January 16th, 2009

I really enjoyed da birds last year until they got that thing from washington.he sucked so bad I cant even remember his name.

— dennymojo
5:39 pm January 16th, 2009

gee..does mo know more than the average cardinal fan? pretty sure he does. i’m a big cards fan, share season tix w/ friends, always will be a cards fan. but man, our fans, while great, seem to lose their mind during the winter. maybe it is b/c rams are terrible, blues are terrible, and the weather is terrible that we have to lose it… cards had a rough one last year, stinks, so be it. they make the playoffs more than they don’t and have been to 2 world series in 5 years and won 1 of them. they’re fun, they contend, and they make a run at it each year. enjoy it guys, don’t cry about it!

— g
5:57 pm January 16th, 2009

I think the Cards will draw 3 million for two reasons. The ALL STAR game and Albert Pujols. If they contend all year they will draw 3.5 million and maybe more. There will be nothing sweeter to a cards fan than beating out the favored Cubbies for the division title after all the millions they spilled into that club to make them one of the teams picked to win it all.

— drelboc
7:01 pm January 16th, 2009

It’s fine if the club wants to wait it out, but they better come out of this waiting with something really good to show for it. Maybe there aren’t a ton of teams fighting for the same player, but it only takes ONE. Hopefully MO has a better cell phone connection than I do—-I don’t want to see things start to fall like domminoes and the Cardinals be on the short end of it all. It’s pretty easy for a fair offer to be made and some weary player just tell their agent to go with it, they’re tired of waiting. So what if you can build a All-Star lineup with the free agents that are left! WE’RE NOT SIGNING A WHOLE SQUAD. WE’RE NOT AN EXPANSION TEAM LOOKING FOR BUILD SOMETHING. WE NEED 1 TO 3 MORE GUYS. THE NEEDS ARE VERY SPECIFIC—-STARTER, CLOSER, AND MAYBE 2ND. That All-Star list of 20 or 30 guys quickly dwindles to 6 or 7 guys to fill the needs of this club. Take away at least 3 or 4 of those who (believe it or not…might not want to play for the Cardinals/LaRussa/Midwest/OR WHO WILL STILL COST TOO MUCH/pick your reason). Now you’re down to maybe 2 or 3 guys. IT DOESN’T LEAVE NEARLY AS MUCH ROOM FOR ERROR AS THE KOOL-AID DRINKING/CARDINAL TEET-SUCKAS WANT TO ACT LIKE. If this wait-and-see approach backfires, it will cost this organization MILLIONS of $$$$$.

— gateway-broker
7:44 pm January 16th, 2009

Ok, now I’ve seen it twice on this website, so thought I’d point out that

it’s CLAMOR not CLAMMER.

That is all.

— english police
8:10 pm January 16th, 2009

Maybe someone who is a little more capable than I am, can do a little math: PLAYOFFS vs. SITTING AT HOME. My twisted mind would think that making the playoffs would be very beneficial to a club’s bottom line. Extra ticket sales, concessions, public image/brand name/souvenirs. I want to go on record as stating that I actually really like what the organization is doing as a whole. I like the moves that MO HAS MADE. I appreciate with all of my Cardinal-red-blood what the ownership and management has provided Cardinal Nation with over the past 10 years or so. I don’t want to bash, but it was a terrible mistake not to get someone to help this club make a playoff push last year when it clearly was in contention and needed help. It’s INEXCUSEABLE not to address the needs that the club still has! YOU’VE BEEN HANDED A GIFT–THE SAME PLAYERS YOU CONVETED LAST SEASON BUT MADE EXUSE AFTER EXCUSE AS TO WHY YOU COULDN’T OR WOULDN’T MAKE A DEAL FOR HAVE FALLEN IN YOUR LAP AT WHAT IS LIKELY LESS MONEY THAN YOU COULD HAVE IMAGINED—YET YOU WANT TO WAIT IT OUT AND SEE WHAT HAPPENS! The ownership group says they depend on the revenue from the gate—yes times are tough and you will probably see a dropoff in ticket sales/concessions/etc, but if you put another 4th place team out there without addressing the most pressing needs the club has admitted it has—YOU WILL SEE A BACKLASH FROM CARDINAL NATION LIKE YOU NEVER COULD HAVE IMAGINED. You think it’s risky to sign a quality reliever for $5-7 million a year to try and bring home a “W”? TRY LOSING 5 TO 7 MILLION midwest-fattened-behinds GOING THROUGH YOUR TURNSTILES AT ABOUT $50 A POP.

— gateway-broker
8:12 pm January 16th, 2009

Meant to type “coveted”…players the team inquired about last year

— gateway-broker
8:14 pm January 16th, 2009

By the way…if the Cardinal brass would like to hire me after displaying my logic and brilliance, feel free to leave me a post with a way to reach you and I will prove my identity to you. I’m available immediately, being I’m now unemployed and trying to figure out where my slim entertainment dollar will be spent.

— gateway-broker
8:20 pm January 16th, 2009

“Screeching” is definitely the operative word. After you hear the word “kool-aid” screeched so many times, it just gets sad.

— Dono
8:55 pm January 16th, 2009

the birds wrote: “The cubs won 97 games last yeare, 11 more than the Cardinals. And spent quite a bit this offseason. If you think Ben Sheets puts us on par with the Cubs you are drinking some serious Kool-Aid. They have a good team and a massive homefield advantage.

We are playing for the wild card, forget about the Cubs.

I kind of disagree.
Sheets, a better pen, and some contribution from Carp I think does close the gap. Especially if Soto, Dempster come back down to earth, plus their closing situation looks to be worse.

— jealousblues
9:00 pm January 16th, 2009

I mentioned the economy a couple times on these ‘comments’ pages and I will reiterate - it is going to trash everyone’s expectations. I happen to believe that Mr. DeWitt is playing this very smart. It could very well be that one or two MLB franchises fold as a result of this economy - presuming that the Pirates and Marlins don’t qualify for TARP money. Don’t spend a lot of money this year guys - keep your powder dry not only for cheaper free agents next year, but, perhaps, whole rosters.

PS - Does the PD need a new server? It seems every time I bounce around between articles on the Cardinals my Explorer crashes. Talk about doing so needed investing guys ….

— Joepa
10:55 pm January 16th, 2009

Glad somebody mentioned the problems with the website. I can’t even use Firefox as my browser when I am going to go to this website because it freezes my computer every time. What’s going on? My husband is a programmer and he says this site is a disaster. He hates it that I even get on here because of the problems it can cause. Maybe your IT people there at the P-D should go over the website and see if they can make it less graphics heavy and figure out why it freezes or crashes people’s computers. It would be greatly appreciated, esp. by those of us out-of-staters who depend upon the P-D for Cardinals news.

— LPD
11:22 pm January 16th, 2009

I use a mac and safari and every time I exit the site, I have to close about fifteen advertising screens that pop up behind the screen I’m using. If I don’t close them out, the computer runs much slower. This never happened with the old site.
As for the cards, no one wants leftovers.

— roger from tahoe
11:39 pm January 16th, 2009

If the economy has affected the way teams pursue free agents, there’s no way the Cardinals should think they are going to be among the few trying to sign free agents in February at lower prices. The fan base is being critical mainly because management told the fan base they were going to approach the off-season in an aggressive and creative manner, which signals that they are going to move quickly on free agency and trades, and then make nearly a 180 on that and then appear to remain seated.

— Michael Scriven
7:18 am January 17th, 2009

the cards every year have sat on their wallets and not improved the team ….this team will do no better than last year , even if carpenter is healthy. they over achieved last year….ludwick will never match last years numbers … 85-86 wins tops …. battle for second and no playoffs again

— john
10:37 am January 17th, 2009

I dont believe a word Mozeilak says anymore. He has been lying to us ever since the offseason started just to put money in Dewitts wallet. Hes a loser that drives me absolutley insane when I hear him talk. He cant possibly say this team is better than last year by adding a .213 hitter an injury prone 35 year old lefty and a lefty with a 8.46 ERA. Let me just say this when the prices for FA goes down even more, still, dont even think Sheets or Hudson or even Garland. Think Benson. Then were just gonna get the excuses on why we didnt get the good FA.

— Tim
7:08 pm January 26th, 2009