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01.06.2009 1:37 pm

So what’s Pujols worth?

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THE WATERCOOLER

The New York Yankees today completed their eight-year, $180 million deal with first baseman Mark Teixeira. With that in mind, we posed the following scenario to our writers:

QUESTION: Teixeira’s contract with the Yankees resets the bar for Albert Pujols, who is currently operating on a seven-year, $100 million deal. The two players are separated in age by just 3 months and play the same position. Pujols is signed through 2010 with a club option for 2011. Should the Cardinals be working on extending Pujols’ contract right now, and if so, what do you think it would take?

JOE STRAUSS
The market has not gone down for superstar players in the modern era. Teixeira’s Annual Average Value of $22.5 million is fairly representative of what many believe El Hombre would command if he negotiated an extension today. Pujols obviously has had a more impressive career than Tex. By renegotiating the last 2-plus years on his remaining deal, the club might receive a break going forward while bumping his ’09 and ’10 salaries. To make Albert a “Cardinal for life” would likely start at eight years, $200 million. Much is unknown about the next three years. Pujols enjoys playing for La Russa, who is unsigned beyond this year. There is much to suggest the process could become much more complicated as time passes.

RICK HUMMEL
The Cardinals, before too much longer, should explore extending Pujols’ contract before somebody comes along and gets one even bigger than Teixeira’s. It might take $200 million for eight years, in Albert’s case, or at least six years at $150 million.

JEFF GORDON
Since the Cardinals will certainly pick up Albert’s contract option in 2011, the club can wait until after this season to discuss an extension. Approaching him with two years left seems like the ideal timetable. The club will have a better idea of where top prospect Brett Wallace stands. If Albert becomes determined to test the market and go for the highest dollar, then Wallace would become the first baseman in waiting. He, as Albert did, would have to bide his time at third base or in left field. If Albert wants to test the market, the Cards would have to trade him rather than risk losing him for a compensatory pick. If Albert wants to extend his deal, the Cards should consider tacking on about three years and $75 million before the 2010 season. That extension would give Albert what he deserves and allow the club to deal Wallace if it becomes apparent he really can’t play anywhere but first base.

DERRICK GOOLD
When reports of Teixeira’s deal with the Yankees began circulating, I received a brief email from an agent: “Very good for Pujols.” Good is putting it mildly. This was a jackpot. And Teixeira is just the beginning. Within the next month, Ryan Howard will set all sorts of arbitration records and help further define the escalating cost of a player like Pujols. Follow the trends, and it’s plausible that Pujols will be the first player to receive a contract with an annual average salary of $30 million. That’s what the current market says for the best hitter in the league. But the Cardinals don’t need to let this market set Pujols’ price. They have time on their side. Well, one year on their side. It would make sense to begin discussing an extension with Pujols a year from now, when that 2011 option looms and free agency beckons. Give the market a year. Give the elbow year. Give him another year or two to win another MVP or two. And then pay the toll. The Cardinals have deferred so much of his salary that they are already paying him through … what, 2029? What’s another decade?

DAN O’NEILL
Comparing Teixeira’s deal with Pujols’ deal is apples and oranges. Teixeira became a free agent this winter and cashed in. That’s the way it works; timing is the operative factor. In 2005, Teixeira had 43 home runs, 144 RBIs, a .301 average and he made $3.6 million; Pujols had 41 home runs, 117 RBIs, .330 average and he made $11 million. Was that fair? Yeah, because Pujols was fresh into a new deal. Trying to keep up with salaries from one signing period to the next is like trying to keep up with computer operating systems. You fall behind almost as soon as you walk out of the store.

The Cardinals don’t need to start negotiating with Pujols now, that’s why you gave him so much money for so many years, that’s what the player gives up when he asks for so much for so many years. The Cardinals have an option on Pujols for 2011, meaning he is locked up for three seasons. Perhaps it would be prudent to approach Pujols about an extension, but given the physical problems he has had the past two seasons, it makes more sense to wait.

What’s more, in the current environment, with people at A-B losing jobs, with so many experiencing tough times, it is poor form, if not flat insulting, for any of MLB team to be throwing sick sums of money at players. If Pujols feels slighted, all he need do is try to get by on the $16 million per year he gets for the next three seasons and become a free agent. Then people in New York will be asking if it’s fair that Pujols is making so much more money than Teixeira.

EDITOR’S NOTE: Derrick Goold wrote an excellent piece on Pujols vs. Teixeira a couple weeks back when news of the Teixeira signing first began to trickle out. In case you missed it, here’s a link to that piece, which you’ll find in Birdland.

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MIDDAY NEWS AND THOUGHTS

THERE’S TALKING, AND THERE’S DOING: Just what is slowing up the Rams’ process in finding a new head coach? Nine days into their quest, the Rams have interviewed just one candidate — Green Bay assistant head coach-linebackers coach Winston Moss.

Contrast that to the Denver Broncos, who canned Mike Shanahan just days ago. First, they are not dragging their feet getting candidates in for talks. Second, they’re aiming high with some of the bigger-name up-and-comers. Sure, they gave an obligatory interview to the team’s offensive coordinator under Shanahan, Rick Dennison. But the Broncos already have interviewed Tampa Bay defensive coordinator Raheem Morris, New York Giants defensive coordinator Steve Spagnuolo and New England offensive coordinator Josh McDaniels. They plan to meet today with Dallas offensive coordinator Jason Garrett. And they will interview Minnesota’s Leslie Frazier on Wednesday. (Yeah, the same Leslie Frazier the Rams are talking about talking with for their vacancy.)

Chip’s said he’s got the checkbook out, so what’s with the lack of actual interviews? Meanwhile, Rams scouts continue to wander the lands wondering just what kind of player their next coach may want.

IT’S A TOUGH MARKET: Former NFL star Michael Vick — currently serving a 23-month prison sentence for a federal dogfighting conspiracy — has asked a bankruptcy judge to allow him to sell his eight-bedroom home near Atlanta via auction. It appears Vick is having financial troubles, and even though realtors have shown the house more than 30 times, according to the Associated Press, the $4.1 million price tag is just too high. So now Vick’s lawyers want to sell it to the highest bidder at auction. Anyone planning a move to Atlanta? I hear the place even comes with a Michael Vick Fathead already installed.

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THINGS TO PONDER

I TOLD YOU SO: I was panned on this blog about a month ago when I said the Chargers made a huge mistake letting Drew Brees just walk away for nothing. Some thought I was comparing him to Philip Rivers (I wasn’t, though I would prefer Brees on my team). I was simply saying the Chargers made a mistake letting Brees simply walk as a free agent. He’s absolutely revitalized the team in New Orleans. Still, many slings and arrows were tossed at Brees (and me) in comments to this blog. So it is with great joy that I announce to you:

Brees was voted The Associated Press 2008 NFL Offensive Player of the Year award today.
Brees threw for 5,069 yards, 15 fewer than Dan Marino’s 1984 mark — which is only the second time in history someone has eclipsed 5,000 yards passing in a season. Heh, heh, heh.

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STAT OF THE DAY

3 1/2 — Points Florida is favored by over Oklahoma in Thursday’s BCS Championship game.

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I don’t care what it takes…sign Albert Pujols so that he remains a Cardinal until he retires. If the market price is 25 million a year, do it. At least we have some identity with Albert Pujols wearing the Birds on the Bat”. There has not been as talented and classy player wearing the Cardinal uniform since Stan Musial. Losing Pujols would be about like losing the Cardinals themeselves. I don’t think I could handle that.

— dave cobler
2:27 pm January 6th, 2009

Since Pujols isn’t low hanging fruit, I don’t see how he retires a Cardinal. It will be a very sad day when he leaves this town. I sincerely hope I am wrong about this.

— GoRams2001
2:30 pm January 6th, 2009

The Cardinals need to negotiate with Pujols after this season. He is the greatest Cardinal since Stan Musial and deserves at least $25M/year for 8 years. The budget will have to adjust from $100M to $110M per year but the organization can handle it and still field a very competitive team.

— LeadDog6
2:41 pm January 6th, 2009

A long time ago, it was reported that the Cardinals called in their greatest star one year and in front of the press pushed a signed contract across to table to Stan Musial saying, “Just fill in the number you want.”

— jim clayton
2:57 pm January 6th, 2009

You guys are nuts if you think the cards will get Pujols for less than 250 million. Remember, Pujols acted like an ### the last time we signed him to that fat contract. He said and i’m paraphrasing, “It’s my turn to get paid and get what I deserve.” Look it up in the old archives. It’s there, intereviewed by news channel 5. He’s just as greedy all the others. Then the cards will have a $25 million player on the team. or 25% of the payroll in one guy, then we are the Texas Rangers when they had AROD. Lots invested in one guy, no money left to get other big names, and no chance of winning. Also, If we save 10 million this year, then why doens’t ##### demwitt and MO use that later on one or 2 years down the road. For Pujols possibly. Yeah the payroll would jump, but the fans will come. People will pay 9 bucks for a beer, 6 for nachos, and seat prices will always go up. nothing will change. 3 plus million people pack the house and money is saved each year. Spend it or sell the team so someone that will. MO, you were just pitched to be Dewitt’s bitch and was seen as someone that wouldn’t stir the pot.

— Jeremy
3:16 pm January 6th, 2009

You give Pujols whatever he wants.

Players like Pujols only come around once in a generation.

— TimeForGuinness
3:21 pm January 6th, 2009

So Jeremy, Pujols is greedy for wanting to get paid what he deserves? That’s the stupidest thing I’ve ever heard. I can hear you whining already, “Isn’t $15 million enough for anyone? Who needs $25 million?” Sure, the fact is that $50K is more than enough for anyone if you live frugally. But wouldn’t you take a $100K job over a $50K one, all other things being equal? That makes you greedy, by your logic. I can pretty much guarantee that he is far more generous with his money (as a percentage of his income) than you are. To most people in the world our standard of living is luxury, so stop acting like baseball players are evil while us “commoners” are righteous. The idea that someone is “greedy” just for weighing his options (which we all do!) is ludicrous, and I’m sick of hearing it. Grow up.

— Tyler
3:38 pm January 6th, 2009

Congrats on your Brees prediction. Even a blind squirrel finds a nut…

— Tim
3:38 pm January 6th, 2009

I say trade Pujols in 10 or 11. The Cardinals can’t possibly sign him for what he will get from FA. Might as well get something real good for the best hitter in baseball while you got him.

— Amazedbythelunacy
3:57 pm January 6th, 2009

He will get his 25 per. But this organization will not surround him with any talent. They seem to be content at the 100 mill mark. Do the math.

— w.champion
4:02 pm January 6th, 2009

If you really want to keep Pujols here, this is what you, as individuals, need to do:
1. Go to the games
2. If you can’t go, watch them on TV every game.
3. Buy from their advertisers

A reminder: Salaries are not paid from butts in seats. In today’s baseball, butts in seats pay for operating costs. The players are paid from TV revenue.

— whatthetlr?
4:18 pm January 6th, 2009

I’d give my firstborn child to keep him.

— Ben
4:29 pm January 6th, 2009

Maybe they can get Pujols to do what Mark MacGuire did and cut his agent out of the biggest payday of his career, sacrifice nothing for himself, save the Cards they money that would have gone to the agent and look like a hero……….. at least at that time

— Bill
4:40 pm January 6th, 2009

If we let Pujols slip away for any other reason than the world exploding itself as Nostrodamus has predicted for 2012 then i will burn everything related to baseball i’ve ever owned and vow to kill the wallet myself with my own two hands.

— bstam
4:46 pm January 6th, 2009

Even if this team declines after 2011, which they are showing no signs of, Albert will still be enough of a draw to justify his contract, especially if we are saving money by bringing up productive kids rather than buying a Glaus or Carpenter. At this pace, AP should hit his 400th HR in 2011, 500th in 2014, 600th in 2016 and 700th in 2019. Maybe I’m getting ahead of myself, but the guy produces. And if he continues at this rate, we will all have a chance to watch maybe the best bat of all time wrap up his career here in STL. An 8 year extension puts us in line to see him through age 39, and possibly leave the game as a top 3 HR hitter, and he undoubtedly would add 2-4 more MVP’s over that time. Give him an 8 year deal with two mutual options for 2020 and 2021. If he were to get hurt, this team wouldn’t see a winning season for years (with that kind of contract on the books).

— SlickRick
4:46 pm January 6th, 2009

If we did have to trade him? Even Boston would have to drain their system on him. If he forced our hand, which I hope he doesn’t, we could command an everyday SS, two high ceiling pitching prospects and some lower level/high ceiling guys. And that would be just the beginning of the talks.

— SlickRick
4:50 pm January 6th, 2009

10yrs 300 million. Start the contract in 2010. This would still be a discount versus Pujols actual production which pegs his value around $45million/year.

— stldrakelaw
4:51 pm January 6th, 2009

NO ONE is worth 25 million dollars. These stupid contracts are getting to be astronomically stupid. I don’t think, however, that pujols is that greedy and I’m sure he would give us a hometown discount.

— Kevin
4:55 pm January 6th, 2009

who would you rather see get the money? Pujols, or silver spoon, lying, save the dry powder, sign squashed fruit, cheap Detwit?

— chuck u farley
4:55 pm January 6th, 2009

5 year, 500 million. Make a statement. He may take it, but the Yankees will offer him a billion.

— KingChris
5:45 pm January 6th, 2009

While the world goes up in flames — literally — Nero in New York fiddles in his money bin. How obscene. None of them are worth it. None of them. And none of them hold a candle to Stan the Man, in ANY respect. Cultural rot is well advanced in the good ol’ USA, and you know what comes next….don’t you?

— Larry Stout
6:02 pm January 6th, 2009

Alright already!! We have heard from all of you idiots on how we should mortgage the future for so so help now. Enough is enough. Either you’re a Cardinal fan or you’re not. We just won the World Series in 2006. It took us 25 years to do so. WE HAVE A GOOD TEAM THIS YEAR ALREADY!!! MVP and gold glove at first, Gold gloves behind the plate and should be at 3rd. Silver Slugger in right, and a cannon in center. Who else accomplishes this? We have excellent young pitching on the way and SUPERB management. I think we are the smartest franchise in either league. We get better results than most and we do pay well. Albert will get and deserves 25-30 million per and we will afford it. Mo and Mr. Dewitt are going to have the reserves to buy what our developing needs are. That’s management. Please quit bashing our beloved Cardinals. These guys are doing a good job and thank GOD none of you nay sayers are running this team. Go get your Capri Suns and play your video games. We are the class of the National League.

— navinrjohnson
6:11 pm January 6th, 2009

I could care less what they pay him, I no longer go to games because of these outrageous salaries that grow by the tens of millions each year. We have an economy and market in the toilet, high unemployment with more to come, and an uncertain future, yet we support these salaries. I make approximately $70,000 a year and live very comfortably. These players don’t need to be making this kind of money to live comfortably. I now enjoy watching little league baseball at no cost. It’s just as entertaining as well. Without caps baseball will eventually outprice themselves, and/or the Yankees will be the only team left.

— beckm
6:26 pm January 6th, 2009

Reading what Jeff Gordon had to say made me cringe. Trade Albert before he hits the free agent market? In a few ways, I’m happy he brought up the subject. It’s not like I haven’t thought about it a time or two during this offseason. The Cardinals like to penny pinch, and from an outsider it seems that they enjoy saving a sliver here and a sliver there, even if it costs them a few free agents every year. Will the Cardinals try to get a little too cute in their negotiations with Albert? If this was a year ago, I would defiantly say no! Now, well I’m not so sure. If they try to use his elbow injury as leverage in negotiations with Albert, they better tread carefully. Albert is a very proud man, and if the Cardinals try to lowball him, he’ll see that as a sign of disrespect and he’ll be gone.

— Brian
6:34 pm January 6th, 2009

I think a better question is whether Pujols will have any interest in returning to the Cards in 2012. Several clubs can and will outbid the Cards for his services. By 2012 it is probable the Cards will have a different manager. What sort of relationship will AP have with this new manager? Secondly, what’s in store for the Cards in 2009-2011? Will AP be on a competitive team or one that is continually looking up at the Cubs (among others)? Currently, you have a GM with little experience and a 4th place finish under his belt. The Cards lack aggressiveness in the free agent market and seem content to make minor moves and hope for the best. How does last year’s inactivity play at the trade deadline play in AP’s mind? Does he believe this team gives him and his teammates the best chance to win? My best guess is he is playing for someone else after 2011. Why come back if you can earn more and experience winning if you head to New York, Los Angeles, San Francisco or Boston.

— billiken bob
6:41 pm January 6th, 2009

Mr. Pujols is worth $35 million a year for the next 8 years!!

— ncruss
7:20 pm January 6th, 2009

If it were my money, I’d give Albert whatever he wants. I just love to watch the guy play every day. I get the feeling he’s not the kind of guy who would just go to the highest bidder, but it would be hard for anyone to turn down huge money. If he goes elsewhere, I’ll be shelling out the bucks for the MLB network so I can watch him play.

— jfmoyn
7:25 pm January 6th, 2009

trade…trade…trade. get rid of him while the mkt is high. recent playoff / world series teams didnt have him. why does a 4th place team need him?

— fat albert
8:03 pm January 6th, 2009

Quit the bickering.

Resign Albert to a lifetime contract (ala: KC Royals in the ’70’s). Have a statue built of him the same size as “The Man’s” and place it next to his.

Pay him his dues, be just and it will come back to StL in a positive way.

We know what we get from Albert on and off the field, just like Stan the Man.

Git’er done!

— Mike Diersen
8:15 pm January 6th, 2009

My hunch is that ownership is keeping the ‘lid’ tight on the salaries right now, while keeping an eye down the road on Pujols salary. A 115 payroll in 3 years seems, appropriate given the increase it will take to keep Pujols and to still keep a competitive team on the field.

— bostonbird
9:13 pm January 6th, 2009

Pujols is one of the greatest to ever put on spikes. You do whatever it takes to keep him @ least 25 mill per for @ least 8 years. However if MO and crew think they will be able to pay him and surround him with a mediocre team - it ain’t gonna happen. Albert wants to WIN! I believe he would take a little less (say a Texeria type deal) if he were confident the Cardinals were serious about winning. However, the current moves made this offseason don’t show that we are Serious about winning - I’m afraid that another run of mill season may lead to the departure of possibly the greates Cardinal ever, along with TLR

— Ino baseball
11:34 am January 7th, 2009

I agree with Dave. Sign Albert for WHATEVER IT TAKES. I can’t even imagine a Cardinals team without Albert Pujols. He is the face of this town and franchise. He is an icon, a myth, a legend in the making, and he needs to retire a Cardinal.
And I agree with “Jeremy” about DeWitt and Mozeliak, and about Mo being his b****. That is right on. Cards fans fill the seats every year and pay ridiculous seat, concession, and merchandise prices; and DeWallet and Cardinals management just keeps saving and getting richer. It’s pathetic.

— Clayton Candela
8:33 pm January 14th, 2009