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03.02.2009 1:22 pm

Should Blues buy, sell or stand pat?

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THE WATERCOOLER

QUESTION: The St. Louis Blues’ recent success has put them in position to make a run at a playoff spot. It also has muddied the trade deadline waters. What do you think the Blues should do at the trade deadline: Be buyers, sellers or stand pat with the team that got them to this point? Is it worth trading off any of the youngsters for a veteran presence?

JEREMY RUTHERFORD
The Blues should stand pat. I was one who said that this team would not make the playoffs, but some way, somehow they’ve managed to put themselves in a good position. The bottom line is they can’t fool with the chemistry they’ve created. Regarding the question should the Blues trade a young player for veteran help, the answer is no. Even if the team should make the playoffs it is not a Stanley Cup contender. The Blues should continue following the same plan they’ve had all along.

BERNIE MIKLASZ
Stay the course. Do not trade good young players or top prospects for short-term gain. The only way it would make sense to mortgage some of the future is if the Blues honestly believed they had a chance to win the Stanley Cup this season. And they don’t. They are playing very good hockey with what they have. There is no reason to bail out and become a seller. And there is no reason to mess with a bright future by making an impulsive, short-sighted move. Stay the course.

JEFF GORDON
The Blues should stand pat unless another team spits up a No. 1 pick to rent Keith Tkachuk. That would be too good to pass up. Otherwise, the team should skate with what it has. It is really playing well. I wouldn’t overpay hoping to make it better, though, because everything is overpriced at the deadline. The Blues have made that mistake before — and that is one reason why this franchise has never built a Cup winner.

DAN O’NEILL
Realistically, I don’t think the Blues are in a position to make a significant trade. What they need most right now is scoring help, and it’s hard to imagine they have the chips to get a player who would have much impact. Trading a scoring threat (Keith Tkachuk) for a scoring threat doesn’t make much sense, unless it is a player you can build with for the future.

That said, if there are no plans to resign Tkachuk, it would be crazy not to explore moving him, and in that regard it may behoove the team to make a deal. You hate to mess with the chemistry right now, and everyone hopes the team can make the playoffs. But realistically, is it going anywhere in the playoffs? Unlikely. So if you have a chance to help yourself by moving Tkachuk, it would make sense to do so. There is also the possibility they will find a team (Buffalo?) willing to deal for a veteran goaltender (Manny Legace). The former Blues starter has a shutout and has allowed 17 goals in eight games at Peoria.

In the big picture, the Blues should stick to their guns and keep their young players. I would hate to see them deal one of their promising newcomers (David Perron) for the purposes of making the playoffs. The goal should be to win in the playoffs, not make them.

TOM TIMMERMANN
Even if the Blues make the playoffs, no one should expect them to go past the first round. For the Blues, the victory will be getting into the postseason. If you can get a good price for a veteran like Tkachuk, you make that deal. But other than that, I think the core group of Blues has to stay intact. I don’t think this team is one player away from being significantly better. (Well, maybe if that one player was Crosby or Ovechkin, but not Pronger.) It’s not as if John Davidson is fine-tuning his roster for the stretch drive. Teams historically overpay at the trade deadline. The Blues are not in a position to overpay. The ideal kind of trade for the Blues was the one earlier this season where they got Steen and Colaiacovo for Stempniak, getting two contributors for the price of one. It’s hard to make those at the deadline. So at this point, “Standing Pat Except for Tkachuk” is probably the best course of action.

KEVIN WHEELER (Host of “Sports Open Line” on KMOX)
I would be aggressively looking to buy but also be more than happy to stand pat if the price of doing business isn’t agreeable. There is no need for a desperation move. If I could pull something off that made a significant difference I would do it. It’s almost unfair to even mention Chris Pronger’s name but since it’s already out there in the rumor mill I’ll go ahead and say that if I could get a player of that caliber I’d pull the trigger. I just wouldn’t move Backes, Berglund, Oshie, Johnson, Polak or any of the established forwards on the NHL roster to get it done.

The Blues have more than enough prospects for the future and, let’s be honest, you can’t possibly count on having 15-20 young, homegrown players on your team in the next year or two. There are two reasons professional sports franchises need a strong developmental system: to create cheap talent that you can add to your roster periodically and to have the ability to acquire established impact players via trade.

You never say “never” when it comes to the possibility of selling off a player or two, it just depends on what is offered. I would have to really “win” the trade to move anyone of significance off this team right now. Short of reaching the playoffs, which is the primary objective, this team needs a strong finish to give them a jumping off point for 2009-2010.

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MIDDAY NEWS AND THOUGHTS

PEAVY TALK STILL SWIRLS AROUND CUBS: For those who thought a Jake Peavy-to-the-Cubs deal was dead, it appears there still might be some life to it. The Chicago Tribune is reporting today that there are still plenty of reasons to believe a deal could be consumated before the start of the season. Peavy, 27, leads all National League pitchers with 1,256 strikeouts since his big-league debut in 2002. If the Cubs are able to somehow land Peavy, it would give the North Siders a starting rotation of five pitchers that would be considered No. 1-type pitchers for many clubs — not a Joel Pineiro to be found. Stay tuned.

NOTHING TO SNEEZE AT: Many Cardinal fans have questioned the club’s logic in not re-signing free agent pitcher Braden Looper. Perhaps the news that Looper suffered an oblique-strain after feeling a twinge while sneezing last week alters that perspective. As of now, the Brew Crew is unsure whether or not Looper will be available at season’s start. Can you imagine the gnashing of teeth in Cardinal Nation if fans here were not only holding their breath on Chris Carpenter’s return, but also had to worry about every time Looper sneezed? Ach-choo. Bless you.

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SOMETHING TO PONDER

JUST HAVING SOME FUN: The folks at ESPN.com are having a little fun with NFL defensive tackle Albert Haynesworth’s new $100 million free agency contract. You just punch in your annual salary and they tell you how long it takes Haynewsorth to earn your wages. Check it out, it’s kind of fun and gives you some perspective on just what kind of money pro athletes make.

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STAT OF THE DAY

7,075 — Most offensive yards gained in an NFL season. The feat was accomplished by the 2000 St. Louis Rams. The 1984 Miami Dolphins are second with 6,936 yards and the 1998 San Francisco 49ers are third with 6,800 yards. (Source: NFL Fact and Record Book)

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JEREMY RUTHERFORD
The Blues should stand pat.

BERNIE MIKLASZ
Stay the course. Do not trade good young players or top prospects for short-term gain.

JEFF GORDON
The Blues should stand pat unless another team spits up a No. 1 pick to rent Keith Tkachuk.

Amen.

Amen.

Amen.

— stlsportsfan80
2:02 pm March 2nd, 2009

TRADE FOR PRONGER!!!!!!!!!!!!! Unless Anaheim is demanding Oshie, Berglund or Johnson.

Any of the others should be available.

Kevin W… agree mostly, but POLAK? You have Polak as a hands-off in a Pronger trade? That’s Capt. Insano.

For all the others saying the Blues should stand pat… why? We don’t even know what the Bleus would have to give up yet? But at 34, Pronger is NOT on the downhill or decline. 34 is still a relatively young NHL hockey age.

If we could have Pronger for 3-4-5 years, then it isn’t mortgaging the future at all… it’s called improving your assets. The Blues have a plethora of prospects now, and those aren’t all “future” Blues… they are assets that can lead to acquiring a veteran, and that’s ALSO what they were drafted for.

If the Blues only had 2-3 legit prospects, and they traded those, and a future pick away, then they’d be stupid. But with 8-10 legit NHL prospects, that’s what they’re all for, opportunities like this.

BTW - has jeff Gordon ever been right about anything he has suggested about The Blues in the past 15 years? I’d like to compile everything he’s written to prove just how limited his hockey knowledge of building a winning franchise is.

It’s like George Costanza’s natural instincts always being wrong. Therefore, the opposite must be right.

If jeff Gordon says “The Blues should stand pat,” then surely, they should make a blockbuster trade.

— Cosmo kramer
3:11 pm March 2nd, 2009

Agreed.

Agreed.

Agreed.

Honestly, and I didn’t watch Saturday, Berglund or Oshie centering the Kid Line should play together until they bust. That was the most exciting hockey - offensively - I’ve seen since Hull & Oates, no exaggeration. They were sure fun to watch.

— DRak
3:56 pm March 2nd, 2009

The Blues should stay the course. I’m tired of reading that the Blues don’t have a chance to win the cup. All they have to do is make it to the playoffs and it’s a different season from there. People have said most of the year that they don’t have a chance of making the playoffs, and look at where they are right now! If the Blues make it, they have just as good a chance AS ANYBODY ELSE!

— BluesFan
4:20 pm March 2nd, 2009

I’m not too hip on giving up alot for Pronger but that’s what it’s going to take. But to say hands off on Polak is probably the funniest thing i’ve heard this week and maybe this year.

Who said that media know hockey!

The only guy leaving on Wednesday is Legace.

— Kevin Wheeler's Therapist
4:43 pm March 2nd, 2009

I pretty much agree to a certain point. The thing that you all have forgotten is history and momentum. The best thing a team can have going for them hitting the play offs is momentum. History shows that there is inevitably an upset by a lower team over a higher ranked team in the first round. Those teams often make it deep.

At the begining of the season many of you had no belief in the blues until you realized they could score. If during that time before the injuries got out of hand we actually had some decent goaltending we would already be in the play off fold being chased.

That said you have to keep in mind the balance of the cap. There are some players out there that not many teams have mentioned. Ilya Kovalchuk for one. It’s almost a sure thing he will not resign with Atlanta. Atlanta will move him for a great package. The thing is he is just hitting his prime and is a force. if you put him on a good team I think his play becomes even better. that’s scary. So if the cost is say Boyes, a first rounder and a prospect or two how do you say no. That even opens up some players you might think are untouchable. Because that is a huge impact player. You might even try to gauge whether or not you have a likelihood of signing him in the off season before you pull the trigger.

There are players out there and depending on the price and their likely impact you have to seriously consider moving a piece. Right now the Blues are just about overstocked with young forwards that can play. Most of these high octane offensive players are six-feet and below. You have to recognize that while it is nice having that kind of talent sometimes you need to consider aspects like balance and that includes size. So you’re not wanting move a guy like Backes but that makes it harder to hold onto to Eller while you want to keep players like Sonne and Palushaj.

The Blues are also becoming fairly stacked on defense. Kristoffer Berglund is having a great season in Sweden(even outscoring Eller so far), you have Jundland, Petro, EJ, and some of the guys playing right now. You want to move forward with depth but to simply say that if this team makes the play offs the Blues can’t afford or don’t have the pieces to move then you are being short sighted. The Blues and any team that makes the play offs is a legitimate Cup contender. One thing that has made worst teams defeat giants is hot goaltending. Maybe a trade gets this team clicking but you have to pay attention also to how other teams are doing and the way the other teams have played I wouldn’t count out the Blues even if they stayed pat; And I surely wouldn’t say they don’t have a chance to go far. Remember a time when we were considered Cup favorites and lost to a young team that wasn’t supposed to make it far? Yeah San Jose did pretty well for themselves that year. So don’t count them out so quickly. A team with this kind of heart isn’t easy to guage. If that was the case the Miracle on Ice would have never happened.

— Chris D.
4:55 pm March 2nd, 2009

I can’t understand how some media and some fans have suggested that the Blues don’t make it out of the first round of the playoffs
(assuming they make it).

How does an organization with season ticket holders give up with so much left on the schedule and 3 points out (and possibly 1 point out by the deadline) do you stand pat? How? Because San Jose and Boston are the favorites? I am not suggesting the Blues make the play-offs or even get past the first round but last I checked the 2005-2006 had the Edmonton Oilers made it to the final. Were they favorites? The team that ended up winning the cup. Carolina. Favorites as well right? I’m a Blues fan but in every sport, players, mgmt call it a new season but for some reason ppl on this forum don’t see it that way.

My other point is re: trades. Big Walt needs to stay. We have kids (literally) in a dressing room with more or less no experience. Isn’t it the veterans that keep the room together when youngsters are questioning themselves?

Regarding Pronger. Let’s not give up the farm but he’s 34. He has at least 3-4 good years left which will help our kids ie. EJ.
Ask yourself this. How old is Chris Chelios? Brendan Shannan? Not 34 and well for the latter is still in demand.

Anyway, here’s to the few of us that hope the Blues make the playoffs and turn into the 2005-06 Oilers. Likely? Probably not but you can’t give up when we are this close.

— toronto.user
6:36 pm March 2nd, 2009

Not only should the Blues NOT trade Tkachuk, they should sign him to a two year extention! He is having a nice year and is clearly the true leader of this team. Tkachuk could lead the Blues to the playoffs this year, and with the development of talent, could take the Blues to the second or third round of the playoffs next year.

That said, what about trading some others for something, anything:

Hinote: (sorry, great guy, good player, but the Blues have too much depth here)
McKee: Solid blue line defenseman could be a nice asset to a cup contender. The Blues have so much depth on D, this makes a lot of sense to me.
McClemment: He is playing great hockey lately, should the Blues look to take advantage of this?
Legace: Everyone knows the chances of him re-signing with the Blues are slim to nil, so why not trade him to a cup contender for a mid round pick?

— Tom
8:54 pm March 2nd, 2009

Stand pat. Build a future. Kevin Wheeler is a disaster and an idiot.

— Larry Plummer
9:55 pm March 2nd, 2009

The Blues are still in the NHL and playing in St Louis, who knew?

— HokeyFan
10:13 pm March 2nd, 2009

Tom, please stay away from the computer. Sign Tkachuk to a 2 year? please tell me you are kidding!
McClement is hot take advantage? What are you smoking?
Legace-Odd’s of signing him are slim to nil? more like nil! the fact that you said slim has me worried about how you function in life.

Please step away from the computer and never post again!

— matt
11:08 pm March 2nd, 2009

Geez, matt. I could say the same for you. How about you step away from the computer and never post again. D-Bag!!!

— Sam
8:18 am March 3rd, 2009

Get rid of No. 7 Tkachuk. He’s worthless. I have been studying him for months and his pass percentage is in the single digits, his misses, dropped pucks and wrong placements are in the 90’s. He may have been a great player once, but now is definitely over the hill. Also, I understand that he’s great in the locker room, a leader, but the sooner you get him out of there, the sooner you’ll have new people learn and take over and develop their own style.
Just my 5 cents.

— Richard
8:29 am March 3rd, 2009

We need Pronger why? Because he’s an exBlue? I really don’t understand St. Louis fans’ (in every sport) fascination with players that have played here before. Do we owe them something?

We already gave Pronger up for Brewer (not enough return, especially at the time) and now we want to give up a bunch to get him back? That would compound the mistake not fix it. Get real.

— ant
9:44 am March 3rd, 2009

GET PRONGER!!!!

— Jeff
10:14 am March 3rd, 2009

No way we should get Pronger!!!!

Unless we want an All Star caliber shut down defensemen capable of playing 20+ minutes a game, anchoring the PP Unit, and developing our young talent on defense. Plus, he only has at least 4 solid productive years left.

— Steve W.
10:44 am March 3rd, 2009

Sam your mom’s calling!

— Sam's Mom
10:54 am March 3rd, 2009

Ahhh, matt. How original. Guess I’m done playing with the kids. Feel free to come back when you’re older than 13.

— Sam
11:45 am March 3rd, 2009

The Blues should stand pat, continue the youth movement and just be glad that they are in the race. It wasn’t too long ago that mentioning The Bluse and playoffs in the same sentence seemed preposterous. With all the injuries and goalie hoopla, they should be proud of what they have accomplished to date.

Pronger is one big overpriced GOON! Don’t forget what he did to the folks in Edmonton

— SudsyFan
11:48 am March 3rd, 2009

Someone please explain why we should get Pronger and his 6.5 million dollar salary in an economy that is getting worse and a league that might be looking at contraction if things don’t turn around for some teams (I’m looking at you Atlanta Thrashers).

I get the nostalgia and that he is a very good/great player but do you really think that is a good use of what 20% of the payroll? Between Pronger and Brewer that would be in the neighborhood of 11 million dollars ties up in two DMen? Really? You think the small market Blues can afford that, huh?

— subscribe
11:57 am March 3rd, 2009

“Sources say the Ducks are demanding LW David Perron, a prospect, a first-round pick and a conditional pick.” We have Alex and Eric coming up next year, we don’t need Pronger. You all realize we’re not getting vintage Chris right? We’re getting step on other players legs and gets suspended for 8 of the last 9 games of a season Chris. He won the Norris in 2000! Plus that would make it so we have 20+ Million of our salary devoted to defense. We’re not losing games 6-0, we’re losing them 1-0, 2-1. We need goal scorers, not d.

— Dave
12:11 pm March 3rd, 2009

Unless you get Pronger for prospects and a pick, dont pick him up now. Wait until hes a F.A. next summer. Dont mess with the chemistry of the forwad lines by trading someone like Peroon or another one of the kids. Id say the only peeps on the active roster that I wouldnt mind seeing them go is Steen, Winchester, or Crombeen but I doubt the Ducks would take a second or third teir forward for a top flight defenseman.

— Todd
1:08 pm March 3rd, 2009

Please make my Pronger jersey relevant again! And Gino Cavallini while you’re at it. Or maybe get Cujo back. Or have Macinnis suit up again.

Let it go, because man, it’s gone. Buy a new jersey. May I suggest an Oshie.

— bluemangroupie
2:56 pm March 3rd, 2009