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05.12.2009 10:22 am

What young Blues can take from young Blackhawks success

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THE WATERCOOLER

QUESTION: The Blackhawks ousted the Canucks in the Western Conference semifinals last night with a young team that many thought was a year or two away. “I’m not saying experience is overrated, but the fact is, we’re not just a young team, we’re a good team,” said young star blueliner Duncan Keith. What can the Blues take from watching this series as they head into next year?

BERNIE MIKLASZ:
The Blues need more good players, period. The Blackhawks are ahead of them in the developmental cycle, and this is a reminder that the Blues are still playing catch-up. And let’s not forget that Chicago has more resources and was able to supplement an exceptional youth movement by investing heavily in a couple of free agents. The Blues are on track. Chicago is just farther along. (Bernie has more on this in his blog this morning.)

DAN O’NEILL:
There is a discernible difference between the Blues and Blackhawks in terms of talent, especially on the backline, especially where it impacts offensive transition. The Blues simply did not have defenseman of Duncan Keith’s abilities this season, to use him as an example. The Blackhawks are a step ahead in that regard, but the Blues are getting there.
With their corps of young players, with a talent upgrade on defense, the Blues could be doing what the Blackhawks are doing by next season. Keep in mind St. Louis was 4-1-1 during the regular season against Chicago
So it’s a good news/bad news proposition. The good news is, the Blues can be inspired by what the Blackhawks have accomplished, the bad news is they have to get past the Blackhawks in the years ahead to win a Stanley Cup.

TOM TIMMERMANN:
Add to this that the Penguins were awfully young when they reached the Stanley Cup Finals in 2008 and it shows that youth can go some place in the NHL. I think there’s a difference in that the Blues have youngsters who can score goals while the Penguins and Blackhawks have youngsters who can score more goals. Really good puck moving defensemen are good only when they have players to move the puck too. So there’s reason for Blues fans to be optimistic for next season; turnarounds can come quickly, but it’s also no guarantee. The Blues’ rookies aren’t Crosby, Malkin and Fleury; are they Kane and Toews? We’ll see. But it’s also worth remembering that there exists a team called the Detroit Red Wings. I wouldn’t discount the importance of experience just yet.

JEREMY RUTHERFORD:
Other than learning how to put traffic in front of Vancouver goalie Roberto Luongo, the Blues won’t learn anything from Chicago’s playoff win over Vancouver they didn’t already know, nor will it give them any more confidence they can win with a young team.
Yes, the Blues and ‘Hawks have been pathetic in recent years. Yes, they have been on similar paths, rebuilding through the draft. Yes, this is the year that both teams believed they could emerge. For those reasons, the teams are rightfully linked together.
But for this season anyway, any other comparisons should be thrown out the window. The Blackhawks didn’t deal with the number of key injuries the Blues dealt with this season. The ‘Hawks had their share of injuries, but nothing like the Blues losing Paul Kariya, Andy McDonald, T.J. Oshie, Eric Brewer and Erik Johnson. If you take Martin Havlat, Patrick Sharp, Kris Versteeg, Brent Seabrook and Brian Campbell out the Blackhawks’ lineup, they’re not playing in the Western Conference Finals. Even if the Blues had everyone healthy this season, they’re probably not as good as the Blackhawks, but they’re not far off.
Also, keep in mind that the Blues and Blackhawks are both young, but Chicago’s Patrick Kane (No. 1 overall pick in 2007) and Jonathan Toews (No. 3 in 2006) are the cream of the crop. If it weren’t for Alex Ovechkin and Sidney Crosby, Kane and Toews would be the face of the NHL. You can’t compare them to guys like Oshie (No. 24 in 2005), Patrik Berglund (No. 25 in 2006) or David Perron (No. 26 in 2007). You can compare Erik Johnson (No. 1 in 2006), but let Johnson get back on the ice.
With Johnson and with the rest of their full deck, the Blues can compete with the Blackhawks.

JEFF GORDON:

The big lesson is to stay the course. The Blackhawks stayed with their young skilled forwards and finally got the payoff. The Blues should resist any temptation to deal any of their high-end kids. These guys melded nicely during a months-long run toward the playoffs. Next spring, Patrik Berglund, T.J. Oshe and David Perron will all be better prepared to step up in postseason play. They other key for Chicago was their strong corps of offensive defensemen. That is an element the Blues lacked with Erik Johnson and Eric Brewer and Alex Pietrangelo still developing. The lack of a viable point threat undermined their power play against Vancouver. Expect a different story next spring.

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I agree with Jeremy. The difference isnt as far off Bernie and Dan O’Neill say it is. They have a better group of puck moving speed defenceman than the Blues, but that is attributed to their terrible years from 2002-2006 when they picked in the top of the first round each year and got the Cam Barkers, Seabrooks and Duncan Keiths. So Bernie is right that they are farther along in the development process but they started 5 or 6 years ago while the Blues only started 3 years ago. Its comparing apples to oranges.
If anything the the Blues are farther along and getting more out of their youth development process than the Hawks were 3 years into theirs. 3 years into theirs they finished 2nd to last and picked second overall after the Blues. 3 years into ours we made the playoffs. Without Kariya or Johnson.

— Ryan
11:19 am May 12th, 2009

The Blues may have learned this themselves (the hard way, of course) but they cannot be so easily intimidated in the playoffs. They looked very timid until midway through game 4 when they finally got things going. It seemed like they bought into the belief that “you can’t be Luongo” even though they had put 4 goals past him in a game just a few weeks prior to the playoffs. 4 goals in 4 games, and Chicago got 23 goals in 6 games. What they need to take from their own (and Chicago’s) playoff experience is: Don’t be intimidated and don’t let the other team dictate the play. I realize that all 4 games were 1-goal decisions (except for game 2 which was still a 1-goal game with 10 mins left) but the series didn’t feel that close in my opinion. With that said: I can’t wait til next year!

— Greg
11:19 am May 12th, 2009

We just have to keep on the path we are currently on. While the Hawks have spent more on free agents most of their core players are homegrown. The Hawks went through a 5-10 year period where they were just awful, so they got to rebuild sooner and faster. We are getting there we just have to be patient. I loved this article.

— Dan
11:48 am May 12th, 2009

Ryan,

Actually we could have had Duncan Keith in the 2nd round of 2002, but we decided to pick Alexei Shkotov at pick #48 instead. Duncan Keith went six picks later. Thank god we have Jarmo now.

— jmwc95
12:33 pm May 12th, 2009

Gee, who’s their coach?

— jammin
3:00 pm May 12th, 2009

Injuries are part of the game. Big time.. But I laugh when Jeremy Rutherford continues to B(&ch and whine about injuries. It’s almost as if he gets JD’s water for him during the games. Sad but the fact is Chicago is a great team that drafted well and now they are playing well. They have a stanley cup winner in goal. End of story. As Kevin Slaten would say…Stop it and Stop it now!

— matt
4:15 pm May 12th, 2009

I agree with Ryan. The Blues seem to have improved more rapidly in their rebuilding process, than Chicago, in a 3 year period. The Blues lost significant player time to injuries. And, the Blues changed goalies in mid-stream. A larger core of young players on the Blues are getting invaluable experience, without choice due to injury.

— stlfan_pah
4:25 pm May 12th, 2009

The Blues are to hockey what the Cubs are to baseball. Neither one is going to win it all but they both have great fans.

— bluesy
4:58 pm May 12th, 2009

The Blues are going to have to concentrate on goal tending. Far too many soft goals were scored against them last year.

— jerry merritt
9:57 am May 13th, 2009