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06.29.2009 1:32 pm

DeRosa deal done. Holliday next?

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THE WATERCOOLER

QUESTION: The Cardinals made a long-awaited move this weekend in acquiring Mark DeRosa from the Cleveland Indians. With this team still hovering near the top of the NL Central and with a chance to win the division, do you think they are done dealing, or do you think there is still a chance they make a run at someone like Matt Holliday to fortify this lineup?

JOE STRAUSS
The Cardinals are not done exploring other deals but they may have bought some time. GM John Mozeliak said Sunday he will take the next couple weeks to assess DeRosa’s effect on the club and act accordingly. Five weeks remain until the trade deadline. The club may believe its greatest need is a pitcher. Should Troy Glaus go on a rehab within the next couple weeks, there will be additional willingness to wait. The benefit of acquiring DeRosa now is first his production, but also assessing where he fits best on the club. He appears slotted as the everyday third baseman with Khalil Greene returning to the DL. But should Glaus progress, DeRosa also becomes an OF option, freeing up chips to acquire a starter or set-up man. Holliday will apparently remain on the market for awhile given Oakland’s heavy asking price.

BERNIE MIKLASZ
Another move is possible, but Matt Holliday is probably too big of a fish to reel in next month. I wouldn’t be surprised if they pursued a starting pitcher to fill Todd Wellemeyer’s spot in the rotation.

DERRICK GOOLD
Adding DeRosa is clearly the move the Cardinals had to make — and make as soon as possible — because it keeps them in contention. It isn’t, however, the only move needed to cinch their intent to contend for a title. What they have done by adding DeRosa is put themselves in position to make a deadline deal with an eye on being better in August, September and then, in a Larry Walker-esque way, October. That includes — but isn’t exclusive to — monitoring the market for Matt Hollliday and seeing if the cost of doing business with Billy Beane drops as the clock ticks toward August 1. Pitching should also be on their radar. DeRosa fills a need. Now the Cardinals can look to augment. The bottom line is the, well, bottom line. Swallowing the remainder of DeRosa’s $5.5 million contract is palatable enough for the Cardinals that they still maintain that “payroll flexibility” to offer any trade-deadline fruit that hangs low enough some dry powder to land in.

GERRY FRALEY
Mark DeRosa batted cleanup on Sunday in his debut with the Cardinals. If that does not say the lineup needs one more bat, nothing does. DeRosa is a solid hitter, but he does not belong in the cleanup spot. He is an ideal No. 6 hitter, maybe with some time in the fifth spot. Given righthander Todd Wellemeyer’s struggles, the Cardinals are going to be in the market for another starter soon, if not already. Wellemeyer is 3-5 with a 6.32 ERA in his last 10 starts and has drained the bullpen by going five innings or fewer in six of his 16 starts overall. That does not fit with a contender.

JEFF GORDON
This team still needs more. If Ryan Ludwick, Rick Ankiel and Chris Duncan continue to struggle with run production, this team won’t have enough offense to make a serious playoff run. Perhaps DeRosa will take some heat off those guys and spur better production. We’re seeing a lot of poor at-bats in critical situations. It’s shocking, really, how badly some of these guys are hitting.

DAN O’NEILL
I would think the Cardinals are done dealing. The Matt Holliday trade never has made sense to me, especially if it includes Ryan Ludwick. Seems to me you’re trading very similar players, trading your only righthanded-hitting outfielder to get a righthanded-hitting outfielder. I think if the Cardinals get Lohse back, they are set with their club for a while, if not for the duration.

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Im no expert but Why not call up Wallace towards the end of the year to augment the line up? I know hes not the end all be all and he will have his hiccups and problems but he is a good bat (maybe not a clean up batter but he will make for a better lineup)

then we could look for a pitcher if we need to.

If we still need more line up help later in the year, my best shot would be to try to pry away Dunn from the Nats. Hes signed pretty cheaply and he has his fair share or short commings but he would be an impace bat with power that gets on base.

— jealousblues
2:29 pm June 29th, 2009

This team has to be giving owenership fits. Wellemeyer, Ankiel, Duncan, Ludwick and, yes, Wainwright all are performing significantly lower than expected. Glaus is out and K Greene, who was a 50/50 bet at best, didn’t achieve the promise of spring. The problem for management is that none of these guys look to be capable of turning things around, and the odds are that at least one or two other lackluster teams in the NL (which is ripe with lackluster teams) will get its timing down and start winning a la Rockies of two years ago.

The Walker trade was made when we were already a very good, very hot team. Easy to spend up and get a couple players that can push you over the top when you are good. Not easy to do when you have half of your team badly underperforming. I am glad I am not a DeWitt right now, even if it gets me a better seat in a restaurant. (Okay, even if it gets me IN the restaurant.)

— Joepa
2:57 pm June 29th, 2009

Pedro Martinez fills a need, won’t cost a prospect(s) and with half a season left, won’t be that expensive.

Double points for beating the Cubs to the punch again as well.

— Kurt
3:26 pm June 29th, 2009

what about jonathan sanchez from the Giants?? Daddy Dunc could work wonders with him. I know his trade value is low and he would be a great 4/5 LH starter for us. I still think Holliday is going to happen, I just hope we arent going to give up the farm. JUST GIVE IT A LITTLE PATIENCE MO! Billy Beane will collapse his asking price because the A’s suck and he will have no leverage to ask for a top prospect. DO IT!

— HAZLOmo
3:30 pm June 29th, 2009

I like the upside of Sanchez. Sanchez for Duncan — too young players who need a change of scenery but that might sour Dave on working with him. I have been advocating for Sanchez for while, but now that his price is so low and the Giants needs for any offense so high the time is ripe.

We should have made a play for Cain when his price tag was lower, too. Now it appears to high but I would still make a run at him anyway.

The Giants, Twins and Blue Jays are starved for offense of any kind and they have surplus pitching!! Go get some!!!

— tpatton
3:59 pm June 29th, 2009

TPatton: the Giants definitely need offense, but the Blue Jays (5th in runs scored in the Bigs) and Twins (10th in runs scored in the Bigs) aren’t. I’ve seen plenty of Sanchez and am not convinced. I just don’t think the kids worth it. I see him as another Anthony Reyes-type. Lots of potential, but no control.

— BirdFanInBabylon
4:18 pm June 29th, 2009

After 6 teams (including the Cardinals) went to watch Martinez pitch a few days ago, the Yanks and Dodgers dropped out, each saying they were no longer interested. This at least suggests that Pedro is not now the world-beater one would like to see.

Wallace is not going to be our savior this year. Give him a break, and a year or three more in the minors.

— Nprman HInton
4:20 pm June 29th, 2009

If we can land Holliday without giving up Wallace, I’d say go for it. I know we were had in the Mark Mulder deal, but keep in mind that the A’s were only able to get beans and peanuts when they shipped Tim Hudson to the Braves. Also, since Holliday is an outfielder, Tommy John or rotator cuff surgery is much less of a concern. Also, something about returning to the National League could always boost Holliday. Also, he was always notorious for hitting homeruns at new Busch Stadium as well.

As for Wallace, we have nothing left to lose calling him up. Between Barden, the Greenes, or Thurston, we can’t possibly be worse off, especially since Wallace has upside for any growing pains he may encounter.

If we have this kind of a lineup, I know scoring runs won’t be a weakness.

1. Schumaker 2b
2. DeRosa LF
3. Pujols 1B
4. Holliday RF
5. Rasmus CF
6. Wallace 3B
7. Molina C
8 or 9. Ryan SS

Or we can work in Ankiel/Duncan when we sit Rasmus or Wallace (DeRosa would play third when Wallace sits). We could also play DeRosa at 2b when we sit Schumaker against lefties.

— Josh "I'm Sloshed" Hancock
5:28 pm June 29th, 2009

What about Jermaine Dye? Kenny Williams is always looking to make a trade with a splash. If Glaus recovers, a Glaus, Duncan, and an above average prospect for Dye could work.

— Cards643
5:39 pm June 29th, 2009

Seems like the Cardinals offense is in the same situation they were last season, but instead of Troy Glaus’ failure to protect Pujols, Glaus isn’t even available & now it is Ryan Ludwick & Rick Ankiel falling back to earth from great seasons who can’t protect Albert. Mark DeRosa is a nice addition, the type you would see a club make right at the deadline to sure up its’ reserves, but the lineup still lacks a true cleanup hitter.

The great irony is how most of baseball sat there before spring training & just admired the surplus of corner outfielders & now it appears that is exactly the player the Cardinals need to protect Albert.

— Michael Scriven
7:03 pm June 29th, 2009

I like the DeRosa deal A LOT. However, is his production going to be absorbed by the spongy hitting of Duncan, Ankiel and Ludwick all season long? If that’s the case, the season is lost already. 75% of the “hearts” arteries in this lineup are clogged. If not for Pujols this team would have been dead long ago. Its amazing they are in first place as July approaches!! I think Gordo said it best because his statement cries for help. Mo had better stay on his toes because I don’t think it will take long to realize that DeRosa is not the master of the puzzle. He is as he said, “a piece of the puzzle”. If the other parts can’t put their peices of the puzzle together, Mo will have no choice but to replace them or just put the puzzle away ’til winter. You can’t fault the FO and ownership when the heart of the order fizzles out and can’t fire. After all you can’t replace them all by July 31st can you? Some of these spark plugs in this Cardinal engine may need to be replaced so this Cardinal engine can run. I think the mechanics in Cardinal nation have already detected the faulty plugs. The question is how long will the Cardinal brass allow this machine to run at 25% effiency??? I will say it again…you can’t fault the FO for parts that are designed to run, but don’t! They will fix it one way or the other though. 42000 people going home UNHAPPY on many a night speaks volumes for change.

— drelboc
9:36 pm June 29th, 2009

Jeff Niemann can be had. TB is overflowing with SP. He’d immediately become the Cardinals #1 starting pitching prospect. He’s out of options and has been pitching well at TB this year.

— RunSup
10:55 pm June 29th, 2009

Holliday is vastly overrated for the money he’s making..

He’s hitting .275 with only 8 home runs, (Ludwick has 13), and 43 RBI’S.. BIG DEAL…

He’s in the same league as Glaus, (grossly overpaid)… Both are worth maybe 8 million a year but 10 to 13 million…??? You gotta be kidding me…

Look at Hollidays stats—- very unimpressive….

— cardinals_99
10:43 pm July 9th, 2009