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06.17.2009 11:35 am

Sosa just the latest link to PEDs … what’s next?

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THE WATERCOOLER

QUESTION: With the New York Times reporting that Sammy Sosa’s name is on the list of 104 players who tested positive in 2003 for using a performance-enhancing drug, the question becomes: When will it end? If and when the entire list is released, do you believe baseball will finally start to cleanse itself of the stain brought on by PEDs or will the topic continue to rear its head for years to come?

RICK HUMMEL
This will be a topic for as long as baseball is played. Not that baseball can’t learn a lesson from this, but what we have here is an era — and baseball is nothing but a collection of eras.

JEFF GORDON
Even releasing the whole list wouldn’t shed complete light on the situation. By now, we know that PED abuse was rampant. The Commissioner looked the other way, owners looked the other way and so did general managers and managers. We know now not to be surprised by any name that emerges in this ongoing story. What happened happened. All baseball can do is remain vigilant, improve its testing program on the fly and nab some additional big-name cheats to discourage wholesale abuse. The players association could help by aggressively educating its members on this issue and former abusers could help by stepping up to discuss the matter.

GERRY FRALEY
Major League Baseball faces a true dilemma here. Release the list, and MLB sets back what has been an improving relationship with the Major League Baseball Players Association. Test results were to be kept secret, but the players for generations have never trusted the owners to keep their word. Players had nothing to gain from leaking names, but ownership did. Hold back the list, and everyone in the game during the 2003 season falls under suspicion, keeping the issue alive. Better to do that than publish the names.

In moving forward, it is more important to keep a good working relationship between management and the players’ union than it is to revisit the past. Baseball has not had a work stoppage since 1994-95, but that could change if distrust and suspicion return as the sides get ready to work on a new basic agreement. The current deal expires in December, 2011.

Most in the industry believe only a handful of players still in the game would be on a list of those who tested positive.

TOM TIMMERMANN
If names keep trickling out, this topic will keep popping up, though at some point, all the famous names will be out and the remaining players will be people most fans don’t care about. The stain won’t go away for a long time. Even those who never failed a drug test will be suspect because they played at the same time. They may have just been lucky not to have been caught. And as the Olympics show, even having tight drug testing doesn’t mean people will stop using drugs. They’ll just use different drugs and hope to be one step ahead of the law. I don’t think baseball will ever by free of the stain of performance enhancing drugs. You’re looking at a 20-year swath of baseball history where the records set can’t be trusted, and everyone else will play under a cloud. But baseball fans also have shown that, at a certain level, they don’t care about steroids and keep rooting for the home team. Baseball has shown itself to be pretty hard to kill.

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I am sooooo tired of hearing about this and honestly could care less. I really don’t understand why this is such a big deal anymore. If anything it may have helped baseball comeback from the work stoppage. It put fans in the seats because they wanted to see these great players perform, enhanced or not.

— Scott
11:54 am June 17th, 2009

Ugh, the history is longer than 20 years Tom. You don’t think that “greenies” and other substances were not meant for performance enhancement? This was just the era of a different horse. Ballplayers, and anyone else in a competitive physical activity, have been attracted to anything that helps them do better forever.

— Phil
11:54 am June 17th, 2009

The bottom line is that it is all relative. Great players performing put fans in the seat, but they don’t need to be enhanced to perform as great players.
Abused substances prior to steroids that enhanced performance, however pervasive were still largely illegal.
No true baseball fan wants to HGH and other “ultra-enhancers” to throw baseball’s unique tie to a vast history of statistics to the wind. I believe baseball can still solve this problem by aggressive action moving forward. Forget the old list, more busts in the future builds more trust that the issue is being addressed. Incentives for whistle-blowers wouldn’t hurt as well…

— Nick
12:10 pm June 17th, 2009

Does Sosa get double the image blow since we now know that he cheated on two fronts:
1) Steroids
2) Corked Bats

The funny thing is this guy is so full of himself he thinks that he will be in the Hall of Fame. They should start a Hall of Shame and make Sosa the first inductee.

— SosaHater
12:18 pm June 17th, 2009

this is a stain on the game….burying Scott’s head in the sand won’t help anything, just ask Bud Selig. publicize the list and get it over with. as long as it’s secret it will keep trickling out and keep resurrecting the issue. Try transparency, honesting, integrity. Fehr, Selig et al are completely unfamiliar with those words. Unfortunately their lack of integrity is tainting everyone in the game, including good guys who aren’t doing it.

— radar1a
12:21 pm June 17th, 2009

Sosahater is right….Sosa is so sanctimonious he actually believes his own bullshit…..he’s like the golfer who made a hole in one and recorded a 0 on his scorecard…..

— radar1a
12:23 pm June 17th, 2009

“Even releasing the whole list wouldn’t shed complete light on the situation. By now, we know that PED abuse was rampant. The Commissioner looked the other way, owners looked the other way and so did general managers and managers”…………

and so did the media

— cb
1:15 pm June 17th, 2009

I’m on PED’s right now. I took advil for a headache. Now i can concentrate much better. Don’t tell my boss because this might help me be a better bookkeeper and he’l have to pay me more. Who frick’n cares that these guys are killing themselves for our entertainment. I’m flattered it means that much to them. From an entertainment perspective do you care when an actor wears makeup or a toupe?

— what-the-frick-ever
1:46 pm June 17th, 2009

The MLBPA could do themselves a big favor by opening up the books and going public with the PED list. Get it under the light for all to see and quit hiding under its dark shadow. Learn from it and go on. The paying fans will be forgiving for the most part, or at the least they will get over it. This will alleviate any tension with ownership as far as the “trust factor” and the PED issue would be wiped out and that ara ending with a show of exclamation for punctuation. Next … If the players strike because of a feud with ownership the fans who want to see MLB are going to be “IRATE”!!!! The results would probably be worse than the 94 strike since we’ve had the PED scandal since that event. The MLBPA could do themselves a great favor in the public eye by conceding to some of ownerships contract parameters in the new basic agreement. Yeah, it may hurt a little, but MLB and the MLBPA will live to see better days going forward, especially in the public eye, because quite frankly the MLBPA has a label of being pampered and spoiled because they always get their way or seem to be above the rest of society on all fronts. It would be nice to see the MLBPA do the right thing for the good of the game and not so much themselves. I’m tired of hearing ballplayers say how much they respect the game when their actions speak otherwise! How can we trust what they say when we see what they do!

— dave
2:14 pm June 17th, 2009

The ownership/union issue seems a little bit of a stretch. My understanding is that the list was not available to ownership. It was handled by the players union, and they were supposed to destroy it. However, the union sat on the list and federal investigators seized it. Lawyers with access to the list are suspected of the leaks. Kind of strange that Mr. Fraley pins this on ownership. If anything, the players should demand that the union personnel responsible for destroying the list be replaced immediately. As much as I’d like to see the whole list exposed so we can get past this, it isn’t a realistic possibility.

— Jeff F
2:44 pm June 17th, 2009

who gives a —- if these guys were doing peds? seriously? if you’re worried about stats, don’t be. sports are so relative. an era of 4.00 used to mean you were a bum. now, it makes you better-than-average. they used to play with equipment nowhere near today’s. ballparks are different. guys start lifting weights and playing year-round when they’re younger. even today, discrepencies exist…ballparks are different sizes/shapes(wrigley or houston) or have odd wind patterns (2009 yankee stadium, wrigley…again). the fact that we’re looking back 6 years and worrying about this report is crazy. it’s confirming what we already know. besides, cooperstown’s hallowed walls are no strangers to cheaters and lawbreakers. why start now? i love that we as fans blame players, and the media…we all love seeing real-life superheros out there smashing homers, and ate up the big mac/sosa season-long homerun derby. get over it. there are tons of cheaters and all you can do is be judged by players in your era…so, big mac, sosa, bonds, etc. all should be in the hall of fame.

— true fan
4:35 pm June 17th, 2009

Funny, isn’t it? Another NFL player was caught using PEDs, and there was nary a peep from anyone. (And remember the Chargers player who was awarded Defensive Player of the Year after being suspended for PEDs during the season?) But let someone even suggest a MLB player used PEDs during a period of time when there was no MLB rule against it (mostly because of the union, IMO), and it’s the worst scandal since the Black Sox! The double standard is amazing!

— mag4
4:56 pm June 17th, 2009

Every ERA had it issues. Steroids now, coke in the 80s, uppers in the 70s, lack of black players in the 20s 30s 40s and 50s. Yankees using the A’s as a farm team in the 50s, and so on…

— Mac Bridge
5:10 pm June 17th, 2009