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09.30.2009 12:07 pm

Comparisons between ‘06 and ‘09 Cardinals

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THE WATERCOOLER

QUESTION: The Cardinals have been scuffling of late, just as the 2006 team did down the stretch before going on a World Series run. Do you see any similarities between the two teams, or is it entirely different this time?

JOE STRAUSS
The biggest difference is health. The ’06 team was racked by injuries to David Eckstein, Jim Edmonds, Scott Rolen and Jason Isringhausen. The cumulative effect nearly took them down in the stretch before an inspired bullpen performance, a rejuvenated Rolen (assisted by a well-timed cortisone injection to his shoulder) and Eckstein’s return from an oblique problem allowed the team to make its push. This 2009 team has far fewer health concerns but is being dragged down by inconsistent offense. Call it what you like — poor plate discipline, indifferent clutch hitting, cruise control — this team has not looked like the sum of its offensive parts for some time. A spark from Ryan Ludwick, now hitting sixth in the order, would be helpful. The fact that Matt Holliday is now on a 10-game hitting streak doesn’t carry much weight when the lineup is struggling at the Nos. 5-6 spots. It would be foolish to write off a team that looked like the league’s best in August. However, a different approach must be found before next Wednesday’s Division Series opener, it would seem.

BERNIE MIKLASZ
I understand the similarities — namely, a dull and losing performance late in the season, especially by the hitters — but it’s a stretch. The 2006 Cardinals didn’t have its regular lineup for much of September. Injuries were a factor. CF Jim Edmonds had 28 ABs in September; SS David Eckstein had 23. Outfielder Juan Encarnacion had a hand/wrist injury, and though he kept playing, the condition would later require minor surgery. Guys like Aaron Miles and Preston Wilson received a lot of at-bats. Scott Rolen’s shoulder was especially sore, and he batted .225 in September. Trade acquisition Ronnie Belliard hit .214 in the final month. As for the pitching, Jeff Weaver had yet to take his magic carpet ride, and the bullpen was unsettled, with Jason Isringhausen transitioning out and Adam Wainwright entering as the closer.

The way I see it, the problem right now is one of decompression. The Cardinals basically had a playoff spot secured a month ago, and they haven’t been able to stay wired up.

RICK HUMMEL
The situations aren’t entirely different but this time the Cardinals have two bona fide No. 1 starters in Carpenter and Wainwright to take into any series in the playoffs and they had only Carpenter they really could count on in 2006. The World Series champion of three years ago, though, was a much more experienced team inasmuch as almost all of the prominent players, with the exception of Wainwright, had been in postseason play before. This year, the Cardinals will have a starting second baseman, shortstop, center fielder and right fielder who haven’t been in the postseason.

JEFF GORDON
Every team is different and every season is different. This team should be better equipped with front-line pitching, a (theoretically) deep offense and a solid back end of the bullpen. On paper, this is a much better team. But this team is also hitting below its potential right now, which has to be unsettling for Tony La Russa. The ’06 team proved that anything is possible come playoff time, good or bad.

GERRY FRALEY
The 2006 team was injury-riddled and unable to keep its best lineup on the field at the end of that season. This club is in far better health, at least according to the public pronouncements of a secretive organization. A healthy team that cannot slap around Homer Bailey is having lineup problems. In 2006, the Cardinals knew they would get better as soon as they were healthy. This club does not have that to lean upon going into the post-season.

KEVIN WHEELER (Host of “Sports Open Line” on KMOX)
I don’t see similarities between the ’09 Cardinals and the ’06 Cardinals at all. The ’06 team was falling apart down the stretch trying to get healthy while losing games. That team was 13-15 in August and 12-17 from September 1st on, for a grand total of 25-32 down the stretch that included a 7-game losing streak in the 3rd week of September. The ’09 Cardinals were 20-6 in August and are 13-12 in September entering play on the 30th. That’s 33-18 compared to 25-32, which isn’t even close. It’s +15 compared to -7, using Tony La Russa’s way of looking at things. The ’09 Cardinals are also a lot healthier and have a much more stable pitching situation.

In ’06 the Cardinals starters toward the end of the season were Chris Carpenter (3.09), Jason Marquis (6.02), Jeff Suppan (4.12), Mark Mulder (7.14), Anthony Reyes (5.06) and Jeff Weaver (5.18). Look how ugly those ERAs are and then toss in the fact that Jason Isringhausen was collapsing because of his bad hip and a young pup named Adam Wainwright was still emerging as a reliever and you had pure, unadulterated panic down the stretch.

This year they’ve got Carpenter (2.30), Wainwright (2.58), Joel Pineiro (3.44), Kyle Lohse (4.84) and John Smoltz (3.18) in the late season rotation and while Ryan Franklin has struggled more of late than he did early in the season, his ERA is still just 1.95 and he’s saved 38 games in 43 chances. Franklin’s 7.56 ERA and .382 opponent batting average in September is scary, no doubt, but that isn’t enough to compare the ’09 Cards to the ’06 Cards.

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Will someone explain how it’s decided who the Cardinals will play in the first round — LA or Rockies. Thanks.

— Number5
12:59 pm September 30th, 2009

Assuming the teams to make the playoffs are Cardinals, Dodgers, and Phillies as division champions and Rockies as the Wild Card it is not allowed for the wild card team to play the winner of it’s division. In other words the Dodgers cannot play the Rockies in round one. Therefore Dodgers must play either the Cardinals or the Phillies and the Rockies must play which ever the Dodgers don’t. So which one do the Cardinal Play. It’s easy, if the Cardinals finish with a better record than Philly, the Cardinals play the Rockies. If not, then the Cards play the Dodgers. Same record Cards play the Dodgers (because Philly wins head-to-head tie-breaker). Of course if Atlanta wins the wild card, then Philly can’t play Atlanta and everything changes.

— ankiel24fan
4:11 pm September 30th, 2009

This team…..this season….looks much more like the 2004 Cardinals……fat, furry and just no killer instict…..purrrrrr

— Jack Greer
7:13 pm September 30th, 2009

Once again a stellar performance by the Cardinal offense. The grand dinger would be no problem if the offense were generating runs. The redbirds are in big trouble in the playoffs. If they win one game with how they are performing now, they will be lucky. What excuses does TLR, the STL press, and overly optimistic Redbird fans do you have now?

— Cardsfan112056
8:16 pm September 30th, 2009

This year’s edition have not proven that they can just “turn it on “. This is disturbing.

— omaha redbird
8:24 pm September 30th, 2009

The Cards are backing into the playoffs much the way the 2004 team did and this dont look good. There is evidence to suggest that the teams that have to maintain a competitive edge to the very end do better in the playoffs. thats the reason so many wildcard teams go far and the reason the team with the best record frequently dont win the WS. Tony should have learned that in 2004 and 2006. They have pretty well been real snoozers at the plate for almot a month now. Better wakee up soon boys!

— bon
9:12 pm September 30th, 2009

Tony LaRussa (because of his own whining) was given all the pieces to the puzzle. The best everyday lineup in the NL if not the Majors. He has drained all the talent and desire from every player. They’d be lucky to be competitive in AA. His ego and his entire staff must go after this season. The organizaton needs a new face to represent it for years to come. Big MO has done a fantastic job rebuilding from the lowest level up. Let him hire his own Manager. Bye bye TLR!!!

— DCH6859
9:41 pm September 30th, 2009

The 2006 team was fortunate that starters Anthony Reyes, Jeff Suppan, & Jeff Weaver reached their pitching peaks in the post-season and that youngsters like Josh Kinney & Adam Wainwright were able to solidify the back of the bullpen. The 2009 team looks like a lighter version of the 2004 squad that fought Houston in a classic series before the offense went cold and Matt Morris reached the end of his good days. It seems pretty equal with the best clubs entering post-season: let’s hope the offense remains steady and that Carp doesn’t somehow go cold.

— Michael Scriven
10:35 pm September 30th, 2009

TLR has proven time and time again that he makes something out of nothing. For example the 2006 team. Or… how about the ‘08 team? DCH6859…Speak for yourself and not the whole redbird community. Let’s get a 15th year out of TLR!

The Cardinal fan base loves Tony La Russa and what he represents!

Go Cards… get it together!
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— RdeSutter
6:50 am October 1st, 2009

Little or no production out of 3rd base. The power guys aren’t particularly powerful right now. A lot of these guys are swinging at “junk” and not taking pitches. They aren’t working the count. The pitchers are making the Cardinals hit their pitches for the most part. I believe if the Cardinals became more patient, worked the counts, tried to frustrate the pitchers, they’d see more pitches to hit. Opposing pitchers can’t throw the ball down the middle every pitch. Good line ups are usually patient ones, that tend to work the counts in their favor. This is especially true with “lesser” pitchers. Right now, if the trend doesn’t change, this time will make a very early playoff exit with little fanfare.

— stlfan_pah
9:30 am October 1st, 2009