Web Search powered by YAHOO! SEARCH
10.27.2009 1:07 pm

All else aside, is McGwire qualified to be hitting coach?

  • Email this
  • Print this

QUESTION: What kind of credentials do most hitting coaches bring to the job at the major league level? And does Mark McGwire and his .263 lifetime average seem to measure up for such a position?

JOE STRAUSS

The Chicago Cubs just made Rudy Jaramillo the game’s highest-paid hitting coach and its second highest-paid coach of any description. Jaramillo never played above Double-A but is now the longest-tenured hitting coach in the major leagues. His defection from the Texas Rangers was the equivalent to Dave Duncan leaving the Cardinals as pitching coach. There is only a loose connection between major-league success and effectiveness as a hitting coach. Charlie Lau, whose philosophies revolutionized the craft, was a career .255 hitter with 16 home runs in fewer than 1,200 major-league at-bats. Don Mattingly, a borderline Hall of Famer, is recognized for doing strong work with the Los Angeles Dodgers after serving in the same capacity for the New York Yankees. Like McGwire, Mattingly served no apprenticeship in the minor leagues. Greatness as a player does not automatically translate into the ability to recognize flaws and to communicate fixes. The greatest hitter ever, Ted Williams, quickly became frustrated trying to help those less gifted than he. Tony La Russa on Monday described the job as more art than science. The inability to predict makes the Cardinals’ selection of McGwire all the more intriguing.

BERNIE MIKLASZ

What McGwire did as a hitter in the majors is largely irrelevant, especially his batting average. But to gauge McGwire’s intelligence as a hitter, take a look at his on-base percentage and the average number of pitches he took per at-bat. Charlie Lau was considered one of the best hitting coaches in MLB history and as a player he batted .255 in the bigs, with a mediocre .318 OBP and .365 slugging percentage. Another revered hitting coach was Walt Hriniak, who batted .253 in only 111 plate appearances. One of the current hitting coaches who garners rave reviews is Rudy Jaramillo, who was just signed to a $2 million deal by the Cubs. He never played in the majors and hit .258 in the minors. Terry Pendleton and Don Mattingly are among the former players who became MLB batting coaches with no coaching time in the minors.

McGwire was a smart hitter in the second half of his career; his cerebral approach was an important part of his success. And his work ethic and dedication as a hitter was underrated. But what is his hitting philosophy? Does it fit all hitters, from the power guys to the singles hitters? Can he communicate the philosophy in a simple way? Can he repair a hitter’s mechanical flaws? Can he connect in a way that will reach and lift a struggling hitter’s confidence? McGwire has been praised for his 1-on-1 work with hitters but how will he deal with a roster of position players — 14 or 15 hitters — at the same time? These are all legit questions, and obviously manager Tony La Russa believes that McGwire has the right combination of hitting intellect and people skills. We’ll see.

JEFF GORDON

Intuitively, you would expect a hitter who used all the fields (like Hal McRae) would offer more than a dead pull hitter (like Mark McGwire). But Big Mac is something of a freak when it comes to mental preparation, concentration at the plate and mastery of the strike zone. With an OPS exceeding 1.000 during his Cards heyday, McGwire became one of the toughest outs in baseball. Even without his intentional walks, his latter-day OPS was very good in St. Louis. If some of this can rub off on guys like Ryan Ludwick, great.

KEVIN WHEELER (Host of “Sports Open Line” on KMOX)

There is no such thing as a “set of credentials” that a hitting coach can bring to the table. Their backgrounds are varied and there is no “path” to becoming a successful hitting instructor, no prerequisites that prove whether or not an individual will be good at the job. Some of the best hitting instructors of all time were mediocre hitters during their playing days, some of the worst had what would seem to be perfect pedigrees.

I believe McGwire will be a good hitting instructor for two reasons: because hitting is his passion in life and because he values preparation, much like Dave Duncan does when it comes to pitching.

What McGwire was really good at as a hitter was working counts in his favor so he could do what he did best…hit the ball over the fence. His career average may have been low but his on-base percentage was .394 and he hit a home run every 10.6 at-bats. In other words, he knew how to play to his own strength. That’s what he’ll be asked to do for the Cardinals hitters: refine their approaches and identify the occasional glitch so they, too, can emphasize their strengths at the plate. Plus, he’ll know when to leave well enough (read: Albert Pujols) alone.

95 comments

I think McGwire should at least be given a chance to prove himself. After all he has helped quite a few on the cardinal roster already. As great a fans as st. louisians are, we can be just as critical.
I haven’t seen any other players who have been proven steroid users denied being on their teams and the fans have embraced them. I always heard how hard McGwire worked at his job so even if he did take steroids like all the others, he also was known as being a really hard worker who was doing his best.

It’s time to just get over it and let the game go on. I’m all for him.

— JC
1:23 pm October 27th, 2009

Don’t think McGwire’s batting average should be the sole criterion for assessing his coaching possibilities. I keep thinking of the old axiom, “Those who can, do. Those who can’t, teach.”

— peggyk
1:29 pm October 27th, 2009

I found your blog on google and read a few of your other posts. I just added you to my Google News Reader. Keep up the good work. Look forward to reading more from you in the future.

— Randy Nichols
1:29 pm October 27th, 2009

Give the man a chance. You do not have to be a great player to be a great manager do you? Both Whitey and Tony were not considered great players, but both excel at managing. Ted Williams was a horrible hitting coach. He could not explain to lesser players (i.e. almost everyone else) how to hit. You must be able to do more than simply say “see the ball, hit it hard somewhere”.

Big Mac strikes me as an intelligent and thoughtful person. If he is able to communicate the mechanics and the mindset of hitting to the players… and both earn the players respect (which he has largely done already) and inspire confidence in their abilities as hitters, then we may be looking at 2010 as a fantastic year!

— Clete
1:37 pm October 27th, 2009

I think Bernie makes an interesting point about Big Mac’s hitting philosophy. What is it? I’m looking forward to finding out.

— Sam in Dallas
1:38 pm October 27th, 2009

His batting average has nothing to do if the man can observe, advise, and teach. Afterall one of the best if not the best pitching coach in MLB never pitched a game (he was a catcher). He does have the above staed abilities.

— Russell
1:43 pm October 27th, 2009

No one should judge Mac on his ability it hit. Look at all the coaches and managers around the pro’s (all sports). 99% of them were less than average players (if they even played at all). Look at pitching coaches….many of them ex catchers so hard to say whether or not they would be a good pitching coach based on their catching stats. Tony LaRussa is a lifetime .199 hitter….seems like he’s a pretty good manager.

— Nate
1:43 pm October 27th, 2009

McGwire’s back?!
BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

— RICH
1:45 pm October 27th, 2009

All I want to know is if Balco still is in business and do they sell stock in the company. I cant wait to see Schumacher after a year on Mcguires “juice”.

Mcguire coming to St. Louis is payback to Pujols. It was Mcguire who pushed Larusa to bring Pujols up with the big club in 2000. Pujols is pulling the strings and the ballclub is dancing like a puppet.

— dan hutton
1:46 pm October 27th, 2009

I can only reiterate what I have said in the past. TLR’s style has never been hitting fundamentals. He has always had the AL mentality of the big inning capped off with the HR. I can’t see how any TLR disciple, coaching under his mentor, can break out of that mold. I believe that Cardinal Nation will continue to see anemic hitting against left-handers, first-pitch swinging, always swinging for the fences, elevated runners left in scoring position, and more of the same offensive frustrations that we have suffered through the entire TLR era. Personally, I am tired of it, and hope that it comes to a swift end, maybe even mid-season 2010.

— CardsFaninRomeovilleIL
1:52 pm October 27th, 2009

I agree w/ Peggy. I don’t believe someone’s on-field ability has anything to do with how they teach the game. Look at TLR, Whitey, and LaSorda as examples - guys that never had much big league success until they became coaches. On the flipside, I’ve heard it said and believe to a degree that premier athletes struggle to coach because they’ve relied on natural abilitiy their entire lives and know no other way. Look, for example, of how badly Isiah Thomas and Magic Johnson flopped as coaches.

— NormalGuy
2:01 pm October 27th, 2009

There’s a big difference in being able to do something and being able to teach someone how to do something. A one-legged man might be the greatest marathon trainer in the world, for all we know. Just because McGwire’s career avg was only .263 doesn’t mean he can’t effectively help someone else be a .290 hitter. Just because he was a power hitter doesn’t mean he can’t help the ‘for average’ hitters. Let’s hold off on criticism until we actually see what happens.

— b
2:01 pm October 27th, 2009

Fact the winning team usually scores more runs in one inning than the losing team does in the entire game. Quoting Earl Weaver, “Never play for one run unless one run wins the game.” Will McGwire try to turn Brendan Ryan into Ryan Howard? Just look what he did with Skip. McGwire will be a great hitting coach. There is just something about him. For those that think Whitey ball was the only kind of baseball, I have to wonder how the Yankees have won 26 World Championships without playing it.

— willmose
2:13 pm October 27th, 2009

you guys keep making a mistake regarding big mac being a strictly pull hitter. you forget his first few years in the majors, perhaps before the ped’s. mcgwire was a skinny kid who often went to right field with prodigious power. i attended most home games when mac was a young player with the oakland a’s. when he came up he was a slick fielding first baseman who would hit over 300 and had 30 hr power to all fields. it was only when he began experimenting that he developed into a power mad pull hitter. if he’d never used drugs, he might have resembled albert with albert’s kind of success. mac was a truly talented hitter with a great batting eye and natural power. what a shame we never got to see that guy develop. he was special.

— roger from lake tahoe
2:14 pm October 27th, 2009

The person is is widely known as the best hitting instructer in the league is Rudy Jaramillo of the Rangers.
He never was good enough to even make it to the majors. He was a minor league outfielder.
La Russa was not a good player but he has done ok as a manager.
so Mc Gwire’s career as a hitter has no relavence in if he will be a good coach.

— Randy Maxwell
2:17 pm October 27th, 2009

Duncan’s success as a pitcher should tell you something about the ability to do and to coach.
By the way, Duncan was a catcher, not a pitcher.

— BIGfan
2:28 pm October 27th, 2009

Seriously? We have to ask this question? He was a professional baseball player, if that was an easy job, wouldn’t we all be millionaire professional baseball players? Let’s ask another question… Are Bernie, Jeff, Kevin, and Joe qualified to criticize sports figures? What are their credentials? Are or were they professional sports athletes? What about the plethora of non-contributing zeros out there who fill their faces with hot dogs and beer proclaiming to be the know-it-all sportsmen, who’ve never experienced the pressure, dedication, and talent to play in professional sports. Steroids? Really people, we can’t get over this… do you think steroids or andro or whatever really helps you hit a ball coming at you at 95mph? The home run race was one of the most exciting seasons in recent baseball history, regardless of what Sammy & Mac were doing to help YOU enjoy the season. Can we just shutup and enjoy the fact that we’ve got a great Cardinals organization? We’re not the Cubs, we’ve won divisions, championships and series. Mac can hit a baseball (period). He’s hired as a hitting coach, I think he’s plenty qualified.

— kd
2:31 pm October 27th, 2009

My concern with McGwire is that he was never happy in St. Louis. After all he was not known as Mr. Friendly to the media or fans. I think any major league player with much experience could qualify for the job of hitting coach if he had the right frame of mind to get along with the other players.

The experience and mechanics are there, is the attitude? He was the first one out of town every time he had a chance, couldn’t speak to media because he had to catch a plane. Will he be any happier in St. Louis while making much less money than he did earlier in his baseball career. My guess is no.

— first tom
2:32 pm October 27th, 2009

McGuire doesn’t have to have the credentials. Larussa does. The last time I checked, I think he qualifies for that. He is Tony’s hire. His success, like in any business, is based on a lot of what Tony has to offer Big Mac. Big Mac knows how to swing, but can he communicate that. Can he tolerate those around him that don’t put the effort forward that he may be used to. These are all things that Tony must teach Big Mac. He will be fine. As far as steroids. Who cares what these guys did. Baseball failed them. They din’t fail themselves. They did what they felt the should/could to compete at a high level. Baseball turned there backs and allowed it to happen.

— Stevieb
2:52 pm October 27th, 2009

Regarding Mac’s relationship with the media: who cares? How often did we hear from Hal McRae or Mitchell Paige? Who cares what his personality is as long as he can connect with the players, which he never had a problem doing before?

— couchprofessor
2:56 pm October 27th, 2009

“La Russa was not a good player but he has done ok as a manager.”

Define success for me,Randy Maxwell.

Either that or take a look at the All-Time Victory list.

— Brian
3:03 pm October 27th, 2009

If Dave Duncan can be one of the premier pitching coaches while never being a pitcher (he was a catcher), then surely Mark McGuire CAN become a premier batting coach even if his lifetime batting average was .263.

— Mikey
3:05 pm October 27th, 2009

I don’t care if McGwire hit .500 for his career and hit 1000 home runs. The man (if you can call him that) is a cheater, a liar, and a coward. He is a disgrace to the game of baseball, the Cardinals(once great) franchise, the city of STL and every fan.

The Cards might as well replace the beloved Birds on the bat symbol with Birds on a giant hypodermic syringe.

As a fan of more than 30 years I find it disgraceful that the Cards F.O. would even think about bringing this cheating liar to the team.

I cannot continue to support a team that allows disgraceful cheaters. The Cards will not get 1 more dollar from as long as McGwire is part of the organization.

— monster
3:06 pm October 27th, 2009

McGwire will do a fine job, if Shomaker is any example.

— Alvin
3:08 pm October 27th, 2009

How many pitching coaches were great pitchers? There are a number of pitching coaches that never threw a pitch (former catchers). It is more about knowledge, fundamental and being a good teacher than anything else. There are people that train astronauts for space that would never make good astronauts. McGwire deserves a chance. He has more than hitting to address.

— jarrod
3:11 pm October 27th, 2009

Lost in all this is poor Hal McRea. What did he do to deserve to not be re-hired? And where does LaRussa get off making the Roidbirds a circus just so he can have his personal man-love of McGwire?

— tubastarr
3:37 pm October 27th, 2009

McGwire will make no difference in his new role. The media continues to ignore the fact that it’s TLR (ie the lifetime sub .200 hitter) and his aggressive above all philosophy that dictates how his team approaches hitting. Think there’s a reason TLR has been through so many hitting coaches while the rest of the coaches and trainers have all but permanent positions.

As to McGwire’s smart hitting & the improvement later in his career that writers cite, BBRef shows MM’s pitches per plate appearance were not appreciably different later in his career. Take into consideration the intentional & unintentional/intentional walks he drew during his *ahem* power surge years and the results are unimpressive.

I wonder who will teach strike zone recognition or sac bunting to numerous members of the team. They certainly could use a good instructor in those areas.

— Blue Moon
3:39 pm October 27th, 2009

Monster–
Don’t let the door hit your @$$ on the way out. For all the cheating claims, can anyone of you prove the he broke any rules that MLB had in place….anyone…I thought not.

— Jeffrey
3:43 pm October 27th, 2009

I know we have “intelligent” baseball fans in St. Louis, but sometimes they stretch this compliment too far. What the heck do 90% of the folks posting about Mac’s ability to coach HONESTLY know about baseball? Give it up people. The man clearly knows baseball, and much better than you!

— Cody
3:51 pm October 27th, 2009

Some seem to be able to determine how he’s going to do at the job before he’s had a chance to do it. If he fails, then you can get upset. Until then, give him a chance. By the way, Hal McRae was not shoved out of the way to make room for McGwire. He was fired because of the team’s almost unanimous power outage during the final weeks of the season and during the playoffs.

— keep it real
3:52 pm October 27th, 2009

Hal McRae had .290 LBA.

Big Mac LBA has nothing to do with the Cardinals/LaRussa’s agenda. Big Mac can probably be a legitimate coach. LaRussa wants Big Mac to restore his name. That is why her is here - no other reason but to create chatter.

Let’s see if Big Mac can reclaim his once legendary status. I care neither her nor there. If he took an illegal substance - he should be banned for life - and so should all the other hypocrites. Including Selig and the owners.

Selig is an embarrassment - just like congress and the rest of the elitist criminals.

— Redcoat68
4:01 pm October 27th, 2009

Obama became President, credential requirments are a thing of the past.

— Albert
4:05 pm October 27th, 2009

It is a sad day when the Cardinals is willing to let a Steriod user coach for them, we thought the Cardinals held a higher moral ground than that, the other teams that allow steriod and drug users are horrible examples as a public {example} and they reflect on the team and owners, baseball has now in our opinion joined the NFL No Foul League of football, football people seam to love murderers, wife beaters, dog murderers and dog abusers, welcome to the Club Cardinals.

— cmluster
4:06 pm October 27th, 2009

Jefrey.. Just keep drinking that La Russa Kool-ade. Steroids are a controlled substance only available with A Drs. prescription. Anyone that uses them without a prescription is breaking the LAW. period. MLB rules do not trump the laws of the land. It should have been assumed by every player that controlled substances were not allowed in MLB because they are ILLEGAL.

2 eyewitnesses have come forward saying they injected McGwire with STEROIDS. Steroids he obtained illegally and didn’t have a prescription for. One of the witnesses is McGwires own brother. The evidence is there. You’re just too blind to see it.

— monster
4:07 pm October 27th, 2009

Why are some of these folks hating on McGwire? You can disagree or think it was wrong to have done the juice. I don’t think it was right, either. But get over it, for God’s sake. McGwire still always seemed like a good guy whose heart was in the right place on most issues, and was a good teammate. I think he’ll be a fine hitting instructor. For those who say they won’t spend another dime on Cardinals baseball as long as he’s here, we’ll see. If you really don’t, then you aren’t much of a fan anyway, so no loss.

— cardsfan
4:18 pm October 27th, 2009

Mark Mcgwire will be fine as a hitting coach. I am extremely happy he is back in baseball. Forget what he used as there are plenty of guys that use something performance enhancing. Facts are facts, when Mark hit homeruns they cleared the fence by 100 feet, they were home runs anyways, no drug can take a baseball 100 feet. He hit monster home runs and 1998 was a joy to watch. Good Luck Mark !!!! My best memory is watching the home run derby in Boston with my son on tv. Chris Berman’s back back back it hit the building across the street, on its way to new york !!!

— Vern Hiebert
4:22 pm October 27th, 2009

I think McGwire paid his dues to become a coach with his one on one clinics in California.

All I want him to do now is admit he used steroids, apologize, tell young people not to do it, and we can forgive him and move on.

— Kenneth Ranson
4:28 pm October 27th, 2009

To Monster and others who are overly concerned about the steroid issue:

Please go ahead and stop rooting for the Cards, but please stop bringing the issue up on Cardinal bogs and websites. I am curious, what other team are you going to root for? I can guarantee that I can find a reason why you should not based on a player or a coach’s actions (using your logic).

Go root for some non-cheating chess team, but then keep your comments on the chess blogs. I’m getting tired of reading about the non-issue!

— Quarter Pounder Fan
4:35 pm October 27th, 2009

So you are comparing a guy that was never proven to have taken a substance that was not against MLB rules when he played to murderers, wife beaters, and dog abusers? I didn’t hear anyone complaining when he was hitting all of those home runs for the Cards. Welcome back Mark.

— Jeff
4:37 pm October 27th, 2009

Bob Gibson was an excellent pitcher and a self-admittedly bad manager. Dave Duncan and Tony LaRussa were marginal players and IMHO have achieved great success in their respective roles. Why would anyone determine that only great hitters can teach someone else how to hit? That doesn’t even make sense as a proposition worth debating here.

— just_me
4:42 pm October 27th, 2009

Hey Vern heibert. I am sorry your raising kids. He did illegal drugs. Thats ok with u. WOW. Again IM sorry your raising kids. ITs ok to do Illeagal drugs? HunH.

— ROCKY
4:42 pm October 27th, 2009

Hal McRae was a fine hitter (.290), but both he and Mitchel Page (.263) together can’t come close to Mac’s power numbers. Mac became a student of hitting after he came here, and it rubbed off on several of the late 90s/early 00s birds, especially Pujols. It’ll be interesting to see what Mac can bring to the power hitters, especially if he can duplicate what he did for Shu. On the other hand, the guy who could slap-hit the best, work the pitch count deep, foul off if necessary and rarely strike out was Ozzie in his later years. There you had a guy who went from “all glove, no hit” to “hit and glove”, popping over .300 for awhile. Trouble is, he still despises LaRussa, and won’t stand on the same field as TLR.

— brad
4:46 pm October 27th, 2009

Bottom Line. He is a Jerk . He is not a good guy. I saw this first hand. Drugs are just the tip of the iceberg. Jeff. It was never proven? Cmon. He did not deny it either. Doesnt have to . Its obvious.

— ROCKY
4:47 pm October 27th, 2009

I would rather have Pete Rose.

— Butcher's Goal
4:48 pm October 27th, 2009

Hey Brad, Paige and Mcrea didnt take the Juice . So dont compare him or it to non steroid using players. Try again.

— ROCKY
4:54 pm October 27th, 2009

You people are making me sick. Can we gush over McGwire any more? GAK. He just happened to be wearing our uniform when he had the historic seasons. 4 seasons and he’s a freakin hero who doesn’t even hold the mark anymore.
It will make for great theatre that’s for sure.
I can’t believe he is being rewarded for having taken them and the chicken *!@## way he handled it.
I am already uncomfortable for him getting in front of cameras.

— Venny
4:54 pm October 27th, 2009

Where was the focus on Hal McRae the past few years when the Cards were anemic at the bat? Suddenly Mac becomes an issue…Geez, someone please distribute some Prozac. The guy deserves the opportunity to prove himself.

— xeryus1
4:55 pm October 27th, 2009

Cronyism pure and simple

— ROIDS RULE
5:05 pm October 27th, 2009

Remember, Matt Holliday and Skip work out with McGwire during the off-season. Maybe this is a secret pitch to keep Holliday and keep Alber happy.

— Nick
5:49 pm October 27th, 2009

When fans of opposing teams litter the field at Busch Stadium with SYRINGES, maybe, just maybe you cheater sympathizers will see what a bad idea hiring McGwire was.

— monster
5:51 pm October 27th, 2009

Our team hit for average fine, patience and clutch hitting were the problems…

— jealousblues
5:56 pm October 27th, 2009


When fans of opposing teams litter the field at Busch Stadium with SYRINGES, maybe, just maybe you cheater sympathizers will see what a bad idea hiring McGwire was.
— monster
5:51 pm October 27th, 2009 ”

Wait we are going to base our personnel on what random idiots will do?
Who cares…?
They will be kicked out of the game.

— jealousblues
5:59 pm October 27th, 2009

Two problems with focusing on McGwire’s career average is that he had wild swings in batting average in his career and that his average was depressed by spending eleven years hitting half his games in the worst hitter’s park in the American League. McGwire was a career .263 hitter who hit in the .260s only twice in 16 seasons. He hit .299 or better four times in his career, but he also hit .231, .235, and .201 from 1989 through 1991, performances that caused McGwire to change his approach at the plate and become a serious student of hitting. He hit above his career average, and often well above, for eight of the next nine years, until his injury-plagued .187 average his final year. He didn’t challenge for the batting championship, but he hit for good batting averages in his best seasons.
And his on-base percentage was at least 100 points higher than his batting average every year of his career after 1988, his second full season. Even when his batting average was low, McGwire was making fewer outs than almost all his teammates and getting on base more often.
None of that means he’ll be a good batting coach, but the guy knows a lot about hitting, and his off-season batting clinic suggests he knows how to communicate what he knows and work with a variety of hitters.

— JM
6:00 pm October 27th, 2009

Monster–
Your eye witnesses? His brother he hasn’t dealt with in years and has been basically disowned by the family and Jose Canseco? ‘Nuf said there big guy. There is no proof, do you understand the concept? He may have but we’ll never know unless he says he did. He did not lied to Congress, he exercised a legal right, pretty damn smart.

— Jeffrey
6:06 pm October 27th, 2009

BIG MAC, BIG BAT, BIG CRAP

— Betty Jo Pena
6:21 pm October 27th, 2009

AND LET US NOT FORGET THE PERSON THAT WAS ALSO S… ON, MCRAE BECAUSE
TLR WANTED HIS FRIEND IN THERE.

— Betty Jo Pena
6:23 pm October 27th, 2009

What are the Cards thinking! Whether you believe he’ll be a good hitting coach or bad hitting coach, he brings baggage that the org. does not need. The media with bury him. He’ll be gone before the season starts. Or was Mark, Tony’s requirement to re-sign?

— Glenn J
6:33 pm October 27th, 2009

Hitting 101 McGwire Style: Jab some “juice” into arm, behind or wherever. Then, just swing away! Heck, they’ll be more than likely to name a highway after you!

— Cletus
6:36 pm October 27th, 2009

How soon before the circus strongman tires of the day to day grind? There won’t be time for golf evrryday if even onve every two weeks. No afternoons picking up the kids from school and having an evening at home. Be at the ballpark by two towork with hitters, the game, and postgame. mark, you’ll be putting on yout jammies around midnight during home games. Pretty long day, and wait till you have to put up with working with Little Dunc(he’s the next signing for the Cards-maybe even the 40 man roster). toni has now achieved complete control of the organization. Holy Oleo Batman, we’re toast!

— mattman
6:47 pm October 27th, 2009

Jeffery.. Yeah, pretty smart not to commit perjury. McGwire met with Congress the day before the hearings to seek a deal. The deal was; McGwire would admit to using steroids and ‘rat out’ all the other users he knew about in exchange for immunity. Congress said NO DEALS, NO IMMUNITY.

Why seek immunity if you’ve done nothing wrong? Immunity from what? Innocent people don’t plead the 5th. In fact quite the opposite is true. Innocent people who are wrongly accused can’t wait to take the witness stand to profess their innocence. Guilty people plead the 5th.

How would you feel if I bought the house next to yours and rented it to ’suspected’ child molesters. That would be OK right? Since they are only suspected, not convicted, you wouldn’t have a problem with it? Please spare me your righteousness.

If it looks like a Duck, walks like a Duck and quacks like a Duck…

I’m waiting to hear the POP when you pull your head out.

— monster
6:47 pm October 27th, 2009

OKAY MONSTER!!! We got it already…you are not a fan of the Cardinals because they hired McGwire. We are okay with that. The Cardinals will do just fine without you in the stands. Please go away!! Find yourself a Cubs site where you can post your negativity.

— SSboatlover
6:52 pm October 27th, 2009

McGwire’s personal success as a hitter in any aspect is irrelvant to his ability to coach any aspect of baseball. It is silly to consider him as a hitting coach because of his success in the home run derby on steroids. I trust that Cardinal management and Tony La Russa know something we don’t about McGwire.

— Another
6:56 pm October 27th, 2009

Here are these sportswriters critiquing a retired Major League player on his qualifications to be a hitting coach. What qualifies them to critique a hitting coach, manager, pitching coach? Why should they question the batting average? What have they done in baseball other than write about a game they can’t play themselves (competitively)?

— Mark
6:59 pm October 27th, 2009

You can’t count OBP if the player gets walked a lot. McGwire walked intentionally most of the time but it all counts. He has a large number of strikeouts for his career as well. Don’t go by OBP only Bernie. He worked with Chris Duncan and looked what happened to him.

— Dezmond
7:01 pm October 27th, 2009

Today, the Cardinals announced they were bringing back the Big Mac. Not the burger but the man, with his two all beef biceps, special juice, cheese, pickles, onions, on a controversial bun. Big Mac, Mark McGwire, is back as the Cardinals hitting coach for the 2010 season. A huge surprise since McGwire has been in utter seclusion since the steroid issue surfaced in 2005. McGwire decided to not respond to the Senate’s questions about alleged steroid use. We have since forgotten about Big Mac until this recent menu change by the Cardinals. McGwire may not want to talk about the past but what’s not in the past is his shaky hitting numbers. Yes, McGwire hit a lot of homeruns but is he good enough to be a hitting coach?

The only way we can determine McGwire’s true numbers is by putting them against other perennial all-stars and bringing the facts. I have chosen Willie McGee and Larry Walker, two great hitters that ended their careers with the Cardinals.

At first glance, McGwire looks like a great candidate for Hitting Coach. He hails a career total of 583 HR’s and 1414 RBI’s. While had 383 HR’s with 1311 RBI’s. McGee bringing up the rear with a career total of 79 HR’s and 856 RBI’s (I will explain his low numbers later). While this paints McGwire in a favorable light it would also send red flags to a seasoned baseball enthusiast. You see, McGwire’s RBI’s are like his arms, falsely inflated because of his 583 homeruns. If you subtract his homeruns from his RBI’s Big Mac comes out a small fry at only 831 RBI’s, placing Larry Walker in the lead at 928 RBI’s and McGee still pushing third with 777. Your probably saying “How the hell did Willie McGee have such low numbers”? One of the reasons that Willie McGee has lower numbers than McGwire and Walker is because he hit in the number 2 or 1 spot which means less opportunities to drive in runs. I’m sure that changes your perception about Willie and his “low” numbers. All this shows is that McGwire is a good power hitter which is something that can’t be taught. Either you have it or you don’t and being a good power hitter does not qualify one to be a hitting coach.

Nevertheless let’s move on to their at bats to strikeouts ratio. Willie McGee struck out every 10 at bats (.1015), Larry Walker struck out every 6 at bats (.1782), and Mark McGwire struck out at a horrible every 4 at bats (.2579). WOW and that’s gonna be the hitting coach. What’s the worst part is that McGwire played in fewer games than McGee and Walker and struck out more than they did. Won’t McGwire’s job will be to teach hitting and fundamentals of the swing. I have come to find that the best teachers are the best students and know the task inside and out. How can McGwire be an effective teacher with stats like that?

He can’t be an effective teacher because McGwire is not a good candidate for Hitting Coach. Out of the three players that I have talked about I see Larry Walker being the best candidate because of his great hitting stats and swinging technique. The only reason I didn’t pick McGee is that his swing is a tab bit unorthodox and it might be harder for him to instruct others. I don’t think that McGwire coming back to STL is about helping the Cardinals but about getting his good name back. More specifically, this is about McGwire dredging up some votes for the Hall of Fame which he has been unable to obtain since he has been up for voting. He knows that Cardinals fans are the best in baseball and it would be great for his image to use them as his personal PR firm. We shall see this season when the Big Mac turns into a Big Trouble!

— Crissy
7:12 pm October 27th, 2009

This subject will become moot in a day or two and be forgotten. The real issues of the Cardinals are way beyond the hiring of Mac for a coach. Lets talk about real issues and look forward to 2010. I’d hate to be in one’s shoes starting a new job that required half a brain with some people on this website. Easy to talk until you do the walk.

— xeryus1
7:12 pm October 27th, 2009

Let’s see what Dave Duncan’s qualifications are as a pitching coach? Let’s see how many games he’s won as a pitcher — no wait, he wasn’t a pitcher he was a catcher with a lifetime batting average of .214 — imagine that. Gee, he’s NOT qualified at all — let’s kick him off the team and get someone with real qualifications.
The mere fact the Cardinals are giving McGwire a paycheck means he’s qualified, where’s the argument?

— John
7:38 pm October 27th, 2009

Okay, this is a really stupid freakin’ question. Does his .263 lifetime average qualify him to be a hitting coach? Seriously?

How many majors has Tiger Woods swing coach won?

Since you’ve not played major league baseball Roger, I’m not sure if you’re qualified to write about it.

— Bob Inmo
7:42 pm October 27th, 2009

I see nothing wrong with McGwire being given a chance to prove himself as a hitting coach. His .263 lifetime batting average qualifies him as much as Dave Duncan and his 0 wins qualify him as a pitching coach.

— Mark Audi
7:42 pm October 27th, 2009

One aspect I hope Big Mac can pass on to our hitters is the importance of relaxed focus. When the pressure is on our offense has tended to be anemic even against inferior pitching. That’s got to change.

— fieryknight
7:42 pm October 27th, 2009

I’ve never taken a swing at live pitching during a league baseball game, so I’m not qualified to even have an opinion. However, several Major League hitters who HAVE faced lived pitching in the Bigs have praised McGwire for his teaching ability. I think it’s worth a chance.

— Jeff
7:45 pm October 27th, 2009

This circus is not gonna end soon folks. Look for an entire season of controversy. Why TLR wants a season-long distraction like this is beyond me. Wait until Big Mac finally gets up the courage to stand in front of those cameras for the first time and he gets hit hit with high hard one to the bicep. He’ll probably get that same goofy “deer-in-the-headlight” look he did when he got burned in congress. If he or anyone else, including the cards management, think this will be settled by simply having one press conference their kidding themselves. Think about it. Hates the press+marginal intelligence= a long season.

— southpaw
8:09 pm October 27th, 2009

For what it’s worth:

When Big Mac came back for Mark McGwire day, he spent an inning or two in the TV broadcast booth. I cannot remember the specifics, but he was talking baseball and the game going on, not talking about himself unless answering a question directed in that manner. He was articulate and his insights into the players and the game were very interesting and educational. If not for the stigma, the man could easily handle a color commentator position.

I have managed to blame Congress for its ambush tactics in bringing Mac, Palmiero, Sosa and I forget who else into that media circus on da other Hill. That was a sham hearing, and arguably unconstitutional in respect to those players’ rights.

Glad Mac is back. He’ll be a darn good coach.

— paperlion
8:17 pm October 27th, 2009

Give McQuire his due. Sure, he did some steroids, but so have many others - and he has taken more heat than Bonds, Clemmons, Ramirez, and all the rest put together. He was great for the Cardinals in the late 90s and St Louis fans are above lacking forgiveness. These players are driven to do that; by the owners, the agents, the sports writers, and yes, the fans! Bill Clinton embarrassed a whole nation in the eyes of the world and still gets his 100K per speech! St Louis fans should show the class they truly have and open their arms for Big Mac!

— Bill Sanders
8:39 pm October 27th, 2009

I would rather see Will Clark as the hitting instructor. He’d be much better and would create the circus atmosphere that McGuire will. I’m guessing McGuire will last one year, then go back into exile. Is he doing this to get his name back into circulation to try to get into the Hall of Fame? I sure hope not.

— navy blue
8:51 pm October 27th, 2009

Charley Lau Charley Lau Charley Lau Charley LauCharley Lau Charley LauCharley Lau Charley LauCharley Lau Charley LauCharley Lau Charley LauCharley Lau Charley LauCharley Lau Charley LauCharley Lau Charley LauCharley Lau Charley LauCharley Lau Charley LauCharley Lau Charley LauCharley Lau Charley LauCharley Lau Charley LauCharley Lau Charley LauCharley Lau Charley LauCharley Lau Charley LauCharley Lau Charley LauCharley Lau Charley LauCharley Lau Charley LauCharley Lau Charley LauCharley Lau Charley LauCharley Lau Charley LauCharley Lau Charley LauCharley Lau Charley LauCharley Lau Charley LauCharley Lau Charley LauCharley Lau Charley LauCharley Lau Charley LauCharley Lau Charley LauCharley Lau Charley LauCharley Lau Charley LauCharley Lau Charley LauCharley Lau Charley LauCharley Lau Charley LauCharley Lau Charley LauCharley Lau Charley LauCharley Lau Charley LauCharley Lau Charley LauCharley Lau Charley LauCharley Lau Charley LauCharley Lau Charley LauCharley Lau Charley LauCharley Lau Charley LauCharley Lau Charley LauCharley Lau Charley LauCharley Lau Charley LauCharley Lau Charley LauCharley Lau Charley LauCharley Lau Charley LauCharley Lau Charley LauCharley Lau Charley LauCharley Lau Charley LauCharley Lau Charley LauCharley Lau Charley LauCharley Lau Charley LauCharley Lau Charley LauCharley Lau Charley LauCharley Lau Charley LauCharley Lau Charley LauCharley Lau Charley LauCharley Lau Charley LauCharley Lau Charley LauCharley Lau Charley LauCharley Lau Charley LauCharley Lau Charley LauCharley Lau Charley LauCharley Lau Charley LauCharley Lau Charley LauCharley Lau Charley LauCharley Lau Charley LauCharley Lau Charley LauCharley Lau Charley LauCharley Lau Charley Lau

— Eric
9:13 pm October 27th, 2009

This is going to work. Period. No one … absolutely no one has endured the mental challenge of hitting like McGwire … with possibly the exception of Maris. I hope that he never answers his critics … if just to keep the hypocrites guessing.

— Nick Jason
9:29 pm October 27th, 2009

Dave Duncan was never a pitcher…. he was a catcher and now the best pitching coach in baseball. A great player doesn’t translate to a great coach (of any kind). Ask Gretzky, Bart Starr. A poor player doesn’t translate to a great coach either. You have to judge each player as an individual. Former Blues Coach Q was an average player at best, and a very good coach. So was former Blue Al Arbour.

McGwire has two great mentors, LaRussa and Duncan. They have a bond, they trust each other…. and we should all trust LaRussa!

— Tom
9:37 pm October 27th, 2009

obviously this is a good idea like stated before mcgwire is a smart guy at least whenever it comes to baseball. And as for the steroid deal i dont care its the Steroid Age deal with it. If he used i dont care the only thing that matters is that he is still in the HOF in my book just but a little asterik next to his name and records

— cory
10:11 pm October 27th, 2009

There is no problem with Big Mac as hitting coach, he has proven capability with Schu who was asked to convert to 2nd base because he can hit and deliver high OBP. He will work these guys into more selective, tough at bats. Him being a choice of the Manager is a plus as this team does not need fighting factions.

Above being said how does the 2010 TLR team plan to improve playing small ball in a league where this is essential. I have offered the solution to reach out to Ozzie Smith, who with 3 WS appearences while weighing in at 150 lbs is statistics enough. If TLR is simply too closed minded to reach out to a Cardinal legend who is one of the best NL small ball players in history well that is that, but at least then get the advice of Lou Brock to help these guys do a better job of running the bases. Holliday had a critical mistake on the bases which help the Dodgers to their sweep, hoping he comes along for 2010 as part of this Big Mac initiative he (Holliday) needs to understand how critical running the bases are in St. Louis.

— fareastview
11:38 pm October 27th, 2009

The question is academic for several reasons. The Cardinals believe McGwire credentialed enough to give the job. And as so many of your writers pointed out, there are no credentials that define success. Not exactly a soup question…

— c.guerra
12:54 am October 28th, 2009

Monster -

Don’t let the door hit ya where the good Lord split ya. Go root for the Cubs. Heck, games (a.k.a. Milton Bradley) might just throw you a ball that’s supposed to be in play. I’m sure those baby bears will keep ya well entertained. What a loser your are.

— Getraer
2:45 am October 28th, 2009

Monster, I must admit that you just keep getting dumber and dumber by the minute. Are you so dumb that you can’t understand that those “eyewitnesses” do NOT have even the tiniest amount of credibility? And what ever you do spare me the law crap. Yes, innocent people do indeed plead the 5th. Any good attorney can tell you that. And do you honestly think the Cardinals will miss your $$$? Go spew your ball baby puke elsewhere moron.

— Getraer
3:14 am October 28th, 2009

“McGwire was a smart hitter in the second half of his career; his cerebral approach was an important part of his success.”

Yeah, I am sure steriods did not hurt any either.

— Greg
6:15 am October 28th, 2009

A consultant has been defined as a guy who knows 144 different ways to make love, but he doesn’t know any women. However, I’d say Big Mac’s metaphorical baseball love life was pretty hot. (Rogers Hornsby was the greatest hitter ever, by the way.)

— Larry Stout
7:04 am October 28th, 2009

i have no doubt that big mac can help the birds as a hitting coach. as soon as the 5000 lb. elephant is out of the room. come clean big mac, a lot of us want you back. maybe selig will come clean about his role in this whole thing when you do.

— wil
9:00 am October 28th, 2009

McGwire has said more than once he was a California boy. Well Mark, stay in California.

He is riding in on a white horse named Tony. Would the Cardinals have ever talked to McGwire about this position if not for Tony holding them hostage? Would Mark have applied or talked to the Cardinals for this position without Tony getting involved? I don’t think so.

— first tom
10:01 am October 28th, 2009

How did Tony hold anyone hostage? He signed a new contract before his old contract even expired.

— SSboatlover
10:06 am October 28th, 2009

Why isn’t anyone talking about the fact that Big Mac worked with Matt Holliday last offseason, changed his swing, and the results were totally disastrous?! Once he went back to his old swing, he lit fire esp. with the Birdinals. I have very low expectations about McGwire’s hiring.

— breadmonds
1:21 pm October 28th, 2009

SSboatlover, LaRussa told Cardinal management that he would return if McGwire was his hitting coach. That was reported in the PD and on ESPN radio. If that’s not holding the Cardinals hostage, I don’t know what is. It’s funny how LaRussa changes. For the last few years he and Duncan were not to be seperated. He used Duncan as leverage in the past. This year he was noted as saying that he and Duncan were separate and he would be back and Duncan could do as he wanted. However, Duncan said he would come back if LaRussa would.

Wouldn’t it be wonderful if we could all secure jobs for our friends. If you don’t agree, fine. I still say that the Cardinal organization would not have spoken with McGwire and he would have not approached them if not for LaRussa. That’s leverage on LaRussa’s part.

— first tom
3:16 pm October 28th, 2009

Having 40,000 flash bulbs going off with every pitch says something of Mark’s mental preparation and concentration in the batter’s box. He will help “slow the game down” for our hitters!

— Rick in Naperville
3:40 pm October 28th, 2009

Not too surprising that the two people who claim [neither under oath] to have “supplied” Mac with steroids did so only when they were trying to sell a tell-all book. And of course this scummy brother of McGwire, and addict [one of his better qualities] has also “found god”.

It’s very telling also that the P-D is running all sorts of articles about Mac’s alleged “steroid” use, as if that has any significance, and people are all up in arms about it. But in the same issue, the fact that reckless drivers in Missouri routinely refuse breatholator tests and the cops let them get away with it causes barely a peep.

Americans get the public figures, the environment and the government they deserve. They’ve got nobody to complain about but themselves.

— Seymour Baseball
11:11 pm October 31st, 2009

I believe that he will help the team. But for those that don’t, or for those that do but have a good sense of humor, there was this article recently published in The Onion:

http://www.theonion.com/content/news_briefs/mark_mcgwire_to_teach

— Joepa
1:48 pm November 5th, 2009

Only one thing for me to say, Leave Pujols alone.

— Steve
2:20 pm November 8th, 2009

It’s certainly open to question whether we should have hired Big Mac as our hitting coach. But since we have him now, what we should do is re-sign Rick Ankiel and turn him over to him and tell him that if he succeeds in turning Rick into the hitter he has the potential to be and should be, we’ll keep him as our hitting coach, but if he can’t, he has to go.

— pinchhittter
7:15 am November 15th, 2009