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11.06.2009 1:52 pm

Is Brett Hull the face of the Blues’ franchise?

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THE WATERCOOLER

QUESTION: Brett Hull will enter the Hockey Hall of Fame next week. There are a lot of great names and great players in the long history of the St. Louis Blues. If you had to pick one person historically as the face of the franchise, would that person be Brett Hull?

JEFF GORDON
Brett Hull made the Blues a mainstream attraction during his days here. Scottrade is the House that Brett built. But I would consider Bernie Federko the face of the franchise. His brilliant play kept this franchise going forward through really dark times. Save for a cameo with the Red Wings, he spent his career with the Blues. He has remained heavily involved with the franchise in his retirement. He has old-school ties to the Plagers.

DERRICK GOOLD
I would like to say Al MacInnis, the gentleman from Port Hood with his exceptional play and understated presence, but the face of the Blues was, is and probably always should be Brett Hull. Grinning, of course. Not only is Hull the most charismatic player ever to where the Note, he changed what hockey means to St. Louis. I wish I could remember the exact number: Before Hull arrived there were less than five rinks in the greater St. Louis area. His goal-scoring binges and his panache inspired an exponential proliferation of rinks. Hockey was in because Hull was here. All around the area, you can still find rinks that Hull built. What that meant was hockey took hold in the area as more than just a spectator sport. Couple the increase in rinks with the Blues alumni who became coaches and managers of hockey teams, and suddenly St. Louis was on the map as a source for hockey talent. Starting a few years ago, St. Louis natives started going in the NHL draft. Blues’ Cam Janssen and Ben Bishop are both part products of the rink rage, and they are from an era of young St. Louis-native players that can be considered the Hull Generation. Heck, even Mr. Hockey Andy Strickland, I bet, is a chronic puckhead with an incurable case of mullet envy because of Hull. The Golden Brett didn’t just make watching the game popular with his flamboyant scoring. He made playing the game popular, and for that he’s the face of hockey in St. Louis, Blues and otherwise.

DAN O’NEILL
“Face of the Franchise” is a term that is a little hard to get your arms around. Certainly, there has been no one more dynamic or important to the franchise than Hull. He is the leading goal scorer (527) in Blues history, he is the most colorful/controversial player in Blues history and he is the person most responsible for the team building the Kiel Center (now Scotttrade). Two years before Hull came to the Blues, they were drawing 13,000-14,000. By the time he left, they were drawing 19,000. I have my personal favorites — Red Berenson, Brian Sutter, Mike Liut, Barclay Plager … but there is no question Brett Hull has been the most influential player in the team’s history.

DAVE LUECKING
It’s a tough call because the team has had some great players over the years — guys like Bernie Federko, Brian Sutter, the Plagers and Al MacInnis — but I’d go with Hull. He brought pizzazz to the franchise, creating a buzz in town only a few years after the team almost left for Saskatoon. His charisma on and off the ice put butts in the seats, at home and on the road.

ANDY STRICKLAND (Hockeybuzz.com, KFNS)
In a way this is a trick question. Is Brett Hull the greatest player to ever play for the Blues? In my opinion yes, but that doesn’t automatically make him the face of the organization. This organization has a lot of faces for me. No one is more recognizable than Bob Plager. Hall of Famer Bernie Federko played all but one of his prolific years here. Then you have guys like Kelly Chase, Brian Sutter, and Al MacInnis. John Davidson is certainly the current face but he’s closer to being the all-time face of the New York Rangers than he would as a Blue.

But what separates Hull from the rest is the impact he made on the sport of hockey in St. Louis. To this day no one has ever had the star power Brett created. He took over the city when he played here and made several of his teammates household names in the city. He was a one-man show unlike any player that’s ever skated for the Blues and made going to games an event. Just like no Cardinal will ever be bigger than Stan the Man, no Blues player can steal the spotlight from the Golden Brett.

Except maybe T.J. Oshie … he’s got a ways to go still.

KEVIN WHEELER (Host of “Sports Open Line” on KMOX)
Tough question but I’d have to say no, Hull is not the “historical” face of the franchise. He is certainly the most dynamic scorer and dominating presence the franchise has ever had, but to me the “face” of a franchise has to be more than a guy who lit the lamp a lot while wearing the Blue Note. Hull spent 10-plus seasons here — the best of his career no doubt — but he was also a big part of Stanley Cup winners in Dallas and Detroit, making his legacy a little tougher to read.

The real historical face of the St. Louis Blues franchise is Bernie Federko. He is a homegrown Hall of Famer, he spent 13 of 14 NHL seasons wearing the Blue Note before being traded for Adam Oates and he’s been an integral part of the franchise in the nearly 20 years he’s been retired. He was a great player and has become an ambassador for the team in his retirement. Hull was simply a great player.

30 comments

I know it was a long time ago but in the beginning years of the Blues the sport exploded in St Louis. It’s a mistake to think that the Blues were a mediocre draw until Hull came along. They packed the old Arena in the early days and the atmosphere was absolutely electric….people paid $2 for Standing Room Only just to be part of it. Gary Unger was nowhere near the player Hull was but he had as much charisma as anyone with the fans. Red Berenson wasn’t as good a player as Hull but he WAS the Blues for several years.

But I have to say I never saw anyone who could finish better in the offensive end better than Hull. He was magic when he got the puck.

— lance
2:45 pm November 6th, 2009

Brett Hull is by far the face of the franchise. He was the reason I grew up a blues fan. I was not old enough to watch Bernie Federko, but I find it hard to imagine he had a bigger impact than Brett Hull. Blues have been known as a team that always made the playoffs, but could never bring home the cup. Blues fans didn’t think like that when he played because his excitement made the team fun to watch. If Mike Keenan had never ran him out of town, there would be no argument on this subject. The worst thing is that we are still waiting for another star like him to put on a blues jersey. But I will take the cup over that any day. Go Blues!!!

— Jeff
2:58 pm November 6th, 2009

As a fan of the Blues since half way through their second season, there has been no player with the impact that Brett Hull had on the organization, city and fans. To say he “was simply a great player” is critically minimalizing his contribution to hockey in St. Louis. I don’t see Federko as the historical face of the organization, as he’s never been the kind of guy who, in my opinion, lacked the crisima to capture the masses. I’ve had the opportunity to be around Hull on a number of occassions when he was being approached by fans for autographs and never once got the impression that he considered it an invasion of his time. The Blues never had a better ambassador than Brett. I’d find it hard though to argue about Bob Plager, a guy who’s been here from day one and made contributions to the organization in a number of areas and continues to be one of the most approachable guys associated with the team.

— rjn16
3:05 pm November 6th, 2009

Rinks I remember playing in, long before Brett Hull arrived: Webster Groves, Kirkwood, Queeny Park, Immerfrost (sic), Brentwood, Shaw Park, Creve Couer, Olivette Twin Rinks, etc. Way more than 6…the rink boom actually dates to the 1968-72 era of Plager, Red Berenson, et al. Garry Unger deserves mention as the face of the franchise — whatever happened to his “Ironman” statue that used to sit out front of the Arena? Brett Hull is the best player that ever wore the Note for multiple seasons.

— Eddie in CA
3:59 pm November 6th, 2009

The face of the Blues is Harold Snepsts. No discussion.

— JoyB
4:27 pm November 6th, 2009

Saying no Cardinal will ever be bigger than Stan the Man could be a bold statement Mr. Strickland. If Albert is true to his word about wanting to be a Cardinal for life, its hard to believe he wouldn’t be bigger. He is playing in an era where the is a much stronger focus on professional sports and his legendary status is being video taped. While Stan is my favorite Cardinal of all time, if Albert stays here this town will be his.

— Drew
4:32 pm November 6th, 2009

Please…..it begins and ends with Hull. There would not be a franchise without Brett. With all the copy he supplied the media “experts” over 10 years I find it offensive they would consider any other player.

Wow guys.

— blues_9
4:43 pm November 6th, 2009

Agreed about Snepst. I put that face on poison to keep the kids out. But seriously, it’s probably Hull. But it did seem like forever that Brian Sutter was keeping this franchise alive all by himself. I’ll never forget him skating to the wall, hunched sideways because his shoulder was a mess, and making a perfect pass to get the Monday Night Miracle comeback started.

— Red Liner
4:51 pm November 6th, 2009

If you have to pick “the” face of the Blues franchise, without a doubt it has to be Hullie. He was the reason I, and several of my friends and classmates, started liking hockey in the first place. He’s not, nor ever was my favorite player (it was Craig Janney), but I take nothing away from the attention he drew to the sport in St. Louis. He certainly was the catalyst in igniting hockey in St. Louis to new levels in the late 80’s and early 90’s.

Yes, there has been many other great Blues who would definately are important to the franchise, and I don’t take anything away from them. But Hull scored the third most goals ever in a single season (and the most scored by someone not named Gretzky) while wearing the Bluenote. That combined with 500+ goals scored as a Blue, all the years he played, and how opinionated he was in the media make him the easy pick in my opinion.

Funny how I once disliked him for speaking out against the team, ownership, and all in the meadia, but in hindsight he was right about a lot of things. At least he had the cajones to say what needed to be said.

— 5thBeatle
5:11 pm November 6th, 2009

“Agreed about Snepst. I put that face on poison to keep the kids out” Red Liner.

ZING! Nice one Red Liner.

All this reminiscing has me longing for the days of Hull & Oates, Stevens, Shanny, Courtnall, Cujo, etc. Great times at the old barn.

None of the current Blues could fit into anyone of those guys’ boots.

But yeah, the face of the franchise is Hull. No doubt about it.

— zodiack
5:18 pm November 6th, 2009

Garry Unger!!! ROFLMAO

— QuickSilver
6:16 pm November 6th, 2009

Keenan didn’t run Hull out of town. Quenneville did.

— Shanny
6:23 pm November 6th, 2009

Great question. My initial reaction would have to be Hull as well. Federko is certainly a candidate but if Darren Pang can bump him out of the broadcasters booth, then is Bernie really the face of the franchise? Is that how you treat the face of the franchise? I love Bernie, but I’d got to give it to Hull. Nice post by D Goold on Hull. But how bout Brian Sutter? No one really goes in depth on Brian Sutter. Lets hypothetically say Brian has a great long run as coach of the Blues, and wins a couple cups with Hull and the Blues. If that had happened, then Brian Sutter would be the man. Brian Sutter would be the face of the franchise. The story behind him and his talented family, the relentless hard worker he was, the unbelievable passion he had. He always thought the Blues could win, he hated to lose, he never gave up. Brian Sutter was definitely a classic example of what St. Louis Blues hockey was all about and what it should be about. It’s a shame how his relationship with the Blues and city has drifted apart, all because his coaching tenure took a turn for the worst. It’s a real shame, cause he’s a good man. Anyway though, my final answer is Hull, as it is, you have to give it to Hull.

— BillP.
6:29 pm November 6th, 2009

Hull is the reason I personally began folowing the Blues in the early 90’s
so I myself consider him the face of the franchise even still!

— Doug
7:36 pm November 6th, 2009

YOU GUYS DON’T GET IT — YOU ARE 40+ YEARS OLD — THE FUTURE OF THE BLUES HAS TO DO WITH KIDS ! CHILDREN UNDER THE AGE 0F 16 WHO HAVE NO CONNECTION TO BERNIE OR BRETT OR THE PLAGERS OR PRONGER. THESE KIDS DON’T GIVE A RAT’S ASS ABOUT THE PAST…IT IS ABOUT NOW…IT IS ABOUT OSHIE…IT IS ABOUT NOW. QUIT LIVING IN THE PAST AND BRING THE FRANCHISE TO REALITY — TO NOW — PAY OSHIE TO GET HIS ASS OUT OF BED AT 7 A.M EVERYDAY AND GO STAND OUTSIDE GRADE SCHOOLS AND GREET EVERY LITTLE KID —- OR NHL HOCKEY IN ST. LOUIS WILL BE GONE IN THE NEXT 10 YEARS…

— GET ITtogehter
1:11 am November 7th, 2009

I SUPPOSE BECAUSE BERNIE SPENT ALMOST HIS ENTIRE CAREER HERE AND IS STILL INVOLVED AND LIVES HERE, HE SHOULD BE. THE FEDERKO-SUTTER YEARS WERE TOUGH FOR THE FRANCHISE AND THE FANS, EVENTHOUGH I SUPPORTED THEM AND WATCHED ALL THE GAMES, AND BEING A SEASON TICKET HOLDER FOR 20 YEARS.
HOWEVER, TO ME BRETT HULL IS THE FACE OF THE BLUES. I’M REALLY SURPRISED THE BLUES DIDN’T HIRE HIM IN SOME CAPACITY. HE BROUGHT EXCITEMENT TO THE ARENA. I WITNESSED MOST OF HIS 86 GOALS THAT YEAR. I STILL MISS THE OLD BARN. MIKE KEENAN SCREWED THIS FRANCHISE UP IN MY OPINION. AFTER THE MOVE TO THE NEW BUILDING AND ALL THE CRAZY STUFF KEENAN PULLED, MY SEASON TICKETS WERE ALSO PULLED. BRETT HULL STILL REMAINED BUT WASN’T THE SAME BECAUSE OF KEENAN. BRETT LOVED THE BLUES, THEIR FANS, AND THE CITY. A STATUE OF BRETT SHOULD BE ERECTED IN FRONT OF THE SCOTTRADE CENTER LIKE MUSIAL AT BUSCH STADIUM

— BUTCH SCHULTE
5:19 am November 7th, 2009

I agree with lance and Andy Strickland for the same reasons. I consider Hull a great player who went on to another team and got greater, and became a face for that team. He’s a friendly rival but no longer a Blue. How often do you see him hanging around here in STL? Especially compared to Detroit? What uniform is prominent in the Hall of Fame?

— icantthinkofone
6:38 am November 7th, 2009

Hullie by far is & probably always will be the face of the blues. Just because he wasn’t afraid to speak his mind to media or management, You never new what was going to happen when he had the puck, but most times it was in the net. Hockey has never seen anyone like him. I don’t think Gretzky, or mike Bossey were equal in Hulls goal scoring ability. Games were electric when he was here.

— droege1
7:25 am November 7th, 2009

Everybody has Hull’s name spelled wrong. It is Hall, that’s Glenn Hall. He took us to the Stanley cup finals. Nobody else has. Al Arbor, Jacques Plante, Barcley Plager, although nobody gets more publicity than Noel Picard for tripping Bobby Orr on his winning goal in front of our net.

— JOHN
7:59 am November 7th, 2009

To add to Eddie in CA I also remember playing in rinks in Florissant, Granite City, Spanish Lake, and Affton as a kid. I also think Garry Unger should at least get a mention. He scored at least 30 goals a season for 8 years straight and was the “ironman.” Plus, he did it without a helmet! Federko did it for 7 but not in a row. I remember seeing Federko and the “kid line” playing with helmets and thinking, “What a weenie.” Unger was the star of the 70s and the biggest reason to see the Blues in those rough years of the 70s.

— Mike
8:24 am November 7th, 2009

lol….how is kevin wheeler qualified to say who is the all time face of the franchise…his comments on blues hockey always humor me…..

— Cujo
9:03 am November 7th, 2009

I think he’d have a much better chance if he actually embraced the town and took a job here with the franchise. He’s more likely “The Face of the Dallas Stars”…

— Walt
9:06 am November 7th, 2009

who else holds NHL all-time records? Brett…Who still has plays talked about years after the fact….Brett Hull. Federko and B. Sutter are a close second…Al McInnis had too much time in Calgary. He is in the running as well, so are the Plagers.

— trappedbysmallbears
9:15 am November 7th, 2009

SAY WHAT YOU WANT ABOUT M.KEENAN,HE TOOK THE BLUES ALMOST TO THE FINALS,EXCEPT 1 GAME. IF HE WINS THAT 7TH GAME,HE STAYS AS COACH,AND ST.LOUIS WOULD HAVE THOUGHT DIFFERENTLY ABOUT HIM! GET OVER MIKE,ST.LOUIS.ITS THE CLOSEST THE BLUES HAVE BEEN SINCE THEN!INSTEAD OF CONSIDERING 1 PLAYER,BRETT HULL,WE SHOULD BE CONSIDERING A WHOLE TEAM!ALL THE GUYS MENTIONED WOULD BE ON IT. BUT I STILL REMEMBER WATCHING BRETT HULL ON HIS FIRST GAME OF THE BLUES ON CH.11,THINKING HOLY COW,AT LEAST WE GOT A SHOOTER,SNIPER,AND GOAL SCORER ALL IN ONE.BRETT HULL IS STILL THE PLAYER OF RECENT MEMORY FOR THIS ST.LOUIS BLUES FAN!

— RANDY
9:20 am November 7th, 2009

Brett Hull hands down.
I moved away 30 years ago, and Bernie was a local hero, but when the rest of the world thinks about the Blue Note it’s Hull-McGinnis-Unger-Berenson-Pronger,and Ferderko falls back in the pack.
The average hockey fan,unfortunately, doesn’t know Ferderko from Gump Worsley.
When you talk about the face of a franchise, it’s not what we think, but what everyone thinks, and its clearly Hull, like it or not.

— Robin
10:08 am November 7th, 2009

The Federko posts had me thinking… At the time Hullie was capturing St. Louis attention, Bernie was the guy from the Cecil Whittaker’s commercials. Just an observation. ;)

— 5thBeatle
11:27 am November 7th, 2009

When I was a youngster Red Berensen and Gary Unger were the players I knew best. But the Blues were very bad when Federko debuted with Brian Sutter on “The Kid Line”. It took them a while, but they did bring the Blues to the top of the league. I was a season ticket holder during the Hull years and will never forget his wicked wrist shot. I just can’t give the prize to one player.

— jfmoyn
11:59 am November 7th, 2009

No question, the face of the Blues has to be Jerry “The Hook” Ordrowski. I can’t believe no one else has thought of him.

http://www.legendsofhockey.net/LegendsOfHockey/jsp/SearchPlayer.jsp?player=13880

— RBD
12:19 pm November 7th, 2009

While the Golden Brett was the most dynamic scorer in Blues history, there are many players who could be thought of as faces of the club. From the early days, Bob Plager, Red Berenson and Gary Unger (hockey’s iron man of the 70’s) come to mind. For grit and determination, no one was better that Brian Sutter. For pure class on and off the ice it’s Al MacInnis. But for longevity and loyalty, I’d have to go with Bernie Federko.

— GoGrey
1:30 pm November 7th, 2009

The Great Brettzky is 2nd…..Bernie is #1. Sutter #3, Big Al #4, Barkley Plager #5.

— BG
5:43 pm November 7th, 2009