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05.01.2008 8:00 pm

Are Lake Saint Louis officials doing right by changing memorial plaques?

St. Louis Post-Dispatch

A new veterans’ memorial park in Lake Saint Louis is just opening — but opening to controversy. Apparently, part of the planning for Veterans’ Memorial Park included memorial plaques that summarize the wars that the United States has been part of.

Those plaques include sections for “mistakes” and “consequences.” Our story points out:

For example, the “mistakes” portion of the plaque entitled “Global War on Terror, 1997—Present” read, in part: “As of 2007, the Afghanistan and Iraq wars failed to enable viable governments leading to continued guerrilla fighting. The Iraqi Army was quickly crushed but the U.S. disbanded the Iraqi Army and removed civilian government employees belonging to the ruling political party leaving no one to help maintain security or run the country, which was contrary to policy used after WWII in Germany and Japan.”

Under “consequences,” it said: “U.S. was accused of a Crusade against Muslims which caused riots all over the Muslim world. Pakistan became an opportunistic ally of the U.S. in its Afghanistan war. U.S. lost prestige around the world.”

Our story also says, “Ralph Barrale, an Army veteran of World War II, said the text was a collaborative effort among some members of the volunteer committee of veterans. He said he was not offended by the plaques but added the park is not meant to cause controversy.” The committee agreed to remove the plaques and rework the text.

The park will be dedicated May 17. Should the city make changes in the plaques or is the additional text appropriate for a veterans’ memorial?

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They should leave off Desert Storm, Iraqi Freedom whatever the current conflict is called until it is concluded. No plaque.

Why not some include a statement about ” recognizing the brave men and women serving overseas in our armed forces”, or something equally neutral and inclusive? Heck, if I were in the Afghani campaign, or Bosnia, or Serbia, or Somalia, or even Germany any other half a hundred overseas posts, I’d be rather irked to be left out while the Bushes wars against Saddam was given top billing.

No slam on people who have/are serving there, but there is no text which can fairly assess a volatile political and live fire situation until the shooting is over.

(I know, technically the Korean conflict isn’t over yet, either, but it’s been 54 years since large numbers of US forces have been doing anything but walking the Korean DMZ. As far as most people not related to 1950s Korea vets, or current personnel in the DMZ are concerned, it is over, since what they have is an uneasy peace. )

— Teresa
9:30 pm May 1st, 2008

As a USAF veteran, I am deeply offended and insulted by the wording on this plaque.

It is a sad day when a Memorial dedicated to our fallen comrades is used as a political platform to espouse a Liberal political agenda. Not only is it a slap in the face to those who are actively fighting against the Islamofascist threat around the world, but it also does a disservice to the memory of the brave men and women who have given their lives defending the United States from this VERY REAL threat to our way of life.

Besides, as we are still engaged in this long term struggle, history is yet to prove us right or wrong. Who’s to say if things would be better if we had left Saddam’s Sunni thugs in positions of power? Perhaps they would have killed ALL the Shiites by now. We don’t know, and it is merely speculation as to if disbanding Saddam’s army was a good move or a bad move. Perhaps in about twenty years we will be in a better position to comment on such matters. As for now, it serves as nothing more than ill-advised political rhetoric.

Thank you

— Doctor Bulldog
9:54 pm May 1st, 2008

“Doctor” - nice attempt to aim any mock outrage you can muster at “the liberals”. Way to go. If you had read the story, you would have seen that the plaques — and the re-development park — are the work of a *veterans’ group*. This group of liberal traitors, as you paint them, wanted to convey messages that wars have consequence. Which liberal turncoat wrote “Those who cannot remember the past, are condemned to repeat it”? I do agree with Teresa that the most recent wars should not have been included. We have not had the luxury of historical perspective in which to frame the results of these wars.

— bprop
5:49 am May 2nd, 2008

I would have left out the mistakes/consequences part; that is for books, not memorial plaques.

Furthermore, one must remember that the Japanese and Germans (besides their failed experiments with fascism) are mostly rational people and can accept defeat and then move forward, unlike some of the residents of the Middle East who will continue fighting America, or anyone else, or even each other into the 22nd century and beyond for fanatical reasons.

— robsmyth
5:50 am May 2nd, 2008

Holy Cow: Cancel the Veterans Memorial if that kind of Verbiage that is going to be posted on Plaques. UNBELIEVABLE!!!!!!.

— johnh
7:00 am May 2nd, 2008

By now everyone should know that I’m no big fan of George W. And the ongoing conflict in Iraq irks me no end. I think the statements in question are probably a fairly accurate assessment of the situation. However, that being said, I agree that the plaques in question seem to be confusing history and current events. I would take Teresa’s advice and have a plaque honoring all service men and women currently on duty. Once the dust settles in Iraq an explantory plaque of that “history” can be added. Right now, any assessment of the situation is more opinion than fact.

— Pat Carpenter
7:14 am May 2nd, 2008

I wish everyone would just leave their personal political statements at home. A veterans park is no place for such if it is meant to honor those who served. Whoever placed those statements knew exactly what they were saying and doing.

— Jim
7:20 am May 2nd, 2008

Once I read the article, I didn’t see much to get excited about. A group of veterans agreed to the wording of the plaques. Other veterans pointed out that a memorial should be more about the people than the specifics of the war. The first group apologized and removed the plaques. Problem solved.

— Anonaman
7:23 am May 2nd, 2008

It’s a sad commentary that newly-constructed veterans parks are a reality in 21st Century society. There must be a better way than war to resolve conflicts between countries. Abraham Flexner, who devoted his life to the improvement of teaching and research in America, once said something that is painfully true today: “Probably no nation is rich enough to pay for war and civilization. We must make our choice; we cannot have both.”

The plaques should honor the veterans, and the wording should be left up to them.

— Ryan On The Euphonium
7:49 am May 2nd, 2008

Yes until the current conflict is over ,I don’t think a plaque pertaining to that is right. But Gulf War 1, Korea, WW1 yes! You can not hide history! I am a Korean War Veteran and think the facts shouldn’t be hidden! And in case you don’t know history, most of our troubles in the Mideast stem from WW1!! Mostly because of the way the French and British divided up the Turkish Empire!!

— Pete
8:11 am May 2nd, 2008

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