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05.01.2008 8:00 pm

Are Lake Saint Louis officials doing right by changing memorial plaques?

St. Louis Post-Dispatch

A new veterans’ memorial park in Lake Saint Louis is just opening — but opening to controversy. Apparently, part of the planning for Veterans’ Memorial Park included memorial plaques that summarize the wars that the United States has been part of.

Those plaques include sections for “mistakes” and “consequences.” Our story points out:

For example, the “mistakes” portion of the plaque entitled “Global War on Terror, 1997—Present” read, in part: “As of 2007, the Afghanistan and Iraq wars failed to enable viable governments leading to continued guerrilla fighting. The Iraqi Army was quickly crushed but the U.S. disbanded the Iraqi Army and removed civilian government employees belonging to the ruling political party leaving no one to help maintain security or run the country, which was contrary to policy used after WWII in Germany and Japan.”

Under “consequences,” it said: “U.S. was accused of a Crusade against Muslims which caused riots all over the Muslim world. Pakistan became an opportunistic ally of the U.S. in its Afghanistan war. U.S. lost prestige around the world.”

Our story also says, “Ralph Barrale, an Army veteran of World War II, said the text was a collaborative effort among some members of the volunteer committee of veterans. He said he was not offended by the plaques but added the park is not meant to cause controversy.” The committee agreed to remove the plaques and rework the text.

The park will be dedicated May 17. Should the city make changes in the plaques or is the additional text appropriate for a veterans’ memorial?

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I am sorry to hear that some took offense at the verbiage on the placques. They were written with the best intent. The Veterans’ committee has agreed to replace them since some were disturbed by the content.
Also, why in the world would somone call the news’ and meda’s attention to what they perceived to be a negative connotation in our park? What was their intent?? The Veterans’ intent was to educate and was nothing but positive! Please take no offense.

— jmwest23
12:02 pm May 2nd, 2008

To make the people who thought it was somehow positive and educational to disparage the service and honor of veterans look like the idiots that they are.

— Go_Fish
12:17 pm May 2nd, 2008

bprop,

1 - I AM outraged! I PAID $100 for one of those bricks!!!

2. - Just because someone is a veteran does NOT automatically absolve them of a Liberal agenda. John Kerry immediately pops to mind…

3. - Imagine if a similar plaque had been erected before the end of WWII and listed the D-Day beach invasions as a major mistake, with thousands killed in the nearly fatalistic attempt to gain but a toehold in Europe. It would not set well with those still fighting the war, nor with those at home who lost loved ones in the D-Day invasion…

And, history has shown that, however ill advised it may have been and for all its faults, it helped end the war in Europe, although, at the time, it certainly didn’t appear to as if it were worth the high costs in equipment, manpower, and lives cut short…

But, be that as it may, you dismissed my personal feelings as feigned in your attempt to undermine my comments. SHAME ON YOU! You are a wretched soul indeed…

— Doctor Bulldog
12:28 pm May 2nd, 2008

The political wording should be left off entirely. I would think the wording would be offensive to the family/friends of fallen soldiers who were simply serving their country. Let’s remember the veterans for doing the job that the rest of us cannot/will not do, and for the ultimate price that they paid for their dedication.

— Momof1girl
1:00 pm May 2nd, 2008

“Doctor”

You have trouble reading. I said very specifically that I felt no comments should be made on ongoing wars, including the Iraq War and Afghanistan. Therefore, your straw man about a plaque being constructed before the end pre-WWII falls on deaf ears, because it’s irrelevant.

Now unless you want to conclude — and prove — that the entire veterans’ group has a “liberal agenda”, your screed is nothing more than misplaced outrage, particularly because the veterans’ group, as pointed out, is making the changes.

— bprop
1:10 pm May 2nd, 2008

I’d like to know what the plaque for the war fought 1861-1865 said.

That was almost 150 years ago, and certain factions cannot even yet agree if it was named the Civil War, The War of Insurrection, The War Between the States, The War of Northern Aggression, The Late Unpleasantness, or the War for Southern Independence. And as far as the mistakes in that war– whew, we could be here for days debating that one.

No one said anything about hiding Korea, Pete. My dad fought in Korea –64th Tank Battalion, and his name is on a wall of honor in his home county. He was the one who continually told us it wasn’t a war, it was a conflict (since it was never officially declared– technically, the US forces were allied treaty forces–) and it has never ended — a ceasefire, but never a negotiated peace treaty. The point I was making was that enough time had passed that history had some perspective on the military operations there.

— Teresa
4:14 pm May 2nd, 2008

bprop,

Once again, you are misrepresenting my personal views…

I never said the entire veterans group had a liberal agenda. It only takes one insidious liberal rat to gum up the works and sneak something past his/her unsuspecting superiors. This is what I surmise to have happened. I am calling it like I see it. If you disagree, that is your opinion and I have no problem with that.

— Doctor Bulldog
4:47 pm May 2nd, 2008

OMG..how big is that area? They are going to need a heck of a lot of room to put all the “mistakes and consequences” memorial trinkets. Better commission a couple more acres in case McCain comes to the big white Poo Ba’s house to camp out for a while. I keep hearing more and more soldiers willing to state for all to hear in recorded pieces with full video exposure that they feel iraq occupation is wrong now, as well as many of our occupations. GB hasn’t even mentioned why TSA folks were talking about the buildup of american troops near the koreas. They couldn’t believe the amount of greenies shuffling through the airports headed to the Ks. It’s a secret, doncha know because the ‘mericans wouldn’t understand. Only way to fix the repeated errors is to acknowledge them. Finally! Aron, Dana…boyz…oversee this one will ya and haunt those who want to be backwards about this.

— Slugger
2:48 pm May 3rd, 2008

What they proposed to say is extremely offensive. Political bias has no place in a veterans memorial. Having discussed other issues with the leaders in Lake St Louis this current action of theirs does not surprise me though it does sadden me.

— Pam Murphy
4:31 pm May 3rd, 2008

Memorials to those who served our country in war are no place to question our past or present foreign policy decisions. On the other hand I say give Bulldog (23) his $100 dollars back. I’m with you Bulldog, for $100 you should get the version of history you like, accurate or not.

— citizen smith
9:33 pm May 3rd, 2008

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