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05.05.2008 6:05 pm

Potty parity is back again; does it…er, tick you off?

St. Louis Post-Dispatch

Without apology, I present to you (again) the topic of “potty parity.” I took plenty of heat the last time we presented this topic. But I offer it again with head held high.

Why? Well, apparently the state of Missouri’s esteemed legislators felt it was important enough to create legislation around the issue: Equal access to potties in public places.

And it seems that the sparkling new Chaifetz Arena on the SLU campus is in violation of the law — although it has complied with the city’s plumbing code.

The problem? Says our story: “For good measure, they threw in bonus toilets and urinals, hoping to cut down on washroom waits. And in the end, women — no strangers to longer restroom lines at arenas — would have relief. They’d have 17 more potty spots than men.” (Emphasis is mine.)

Before I forget, by the way, this issue isn’t just a Missouri issue. Illinois, California, Maryland and New York are among the states with similar legislation.

So….what bothers you more: The fact that architects and planners can’t just get it right under the law? The fact that there’s a law at all? Or the fact that people get whipped up about the law?

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Why should not the owner of the property be able to provide rest room accommodations that they believe will best serve their guests and/orcustomers? The people attending events at Chaifetz Arena are there as paying customers of the Arena, not of the government.

As a male, I see no problem at all with Chaifetz Arena having provided additional accommodations for their women customers.

— 7dez7
8:47 pm May 5th, 2008

Just more proof that layers are evil.

— Mike M.
10:14 pm May 5th, 2008

Damn.,.. Lawyers … I meant Lawyers.. I was used to my iPhone.. and had to use a blasted Blackberry for a few days.. I’m still recovering.

— Mike M.
10:16 pm May 5th, 2008

A man walks into a bar, sits down and orders a beer. In a loud angry voice, he says, “All lawyers are a**holes!”. Another patron sitting at the end of the bar hears him and says, “Hey, buddy, I’m offended by that!” The man looks at him and says, “Why? You a lawyer?” The patron says, “No, I’m an a**hole.”

— Jack S
7:18 am May 6th, 2008

Potties is the last problem issue with Chaifetz Arena! Ever try to park near the place?

I can’t imagine that an architect, knowing that women typically spend more time in restrooms, wouldn’t design-in more a greater number of women’s toilets. It just makes sense, doesn’t it?

The “controversy” appears to be one that the ACLU would initiate, rather than the general public.

Rev. Biondi should consider placing a parking garage near the Chaifetz Arena equipped with toilets, male and female.

— Ryan On The Euphonium
7:49 am May 6th, 2008

OK – I’ll give a serious answer.

Normally, architects mirror bathroom floorspace. This allows the plumbing to share a common wall and ensures that both men and women have equal bathroom space. The problem is that urinals take up less space than a stall, so the men’s room ends up with more ‘facilities’ than a women’s room. Women usually take longer in the bathroom than men, which when combined with less units, leads to long lines at the women’s room. Once women found out that they had less units than the men, they campaigned for - and got - potty parity. What this means is that women’s rooms will most likely have to be bigger, to accommodate the more spacious stalls (while the men’s room will continue to use urinals).

Do I mind that women will get bigger bathrooms than men? Nope. Even if the women’s room has more facilities than the men’s room, I still don’t care. The spirit of this law is to alleviate the long lines at the women’s room, so while giving the women more units than the men doesn’t follow the letter of potty parity, it follows the spirit. I have always believed it is more important to follow the spirit of the law rather than the letter, so I say give the new SLU arena a pass – they are trying to do the right thing.

— Anonaman
7:54 am May 6th, 2008

On a less serious note..

#5 Ryan, said:
“Rev. Biondi should consider placing a parking garage near the Chaifetz Arena equipped with toilets, male and female. “

Ryan, are there bushes, trees, or an alley near the arena? Then the men are taken care of.

— Anonaman
8:01 am May 6th, 2008

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(Century VIII, Quatrain 29)

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— robsmyth
8:29 am May 6th, 2008

There is no reason why women need to spend so much time in the restroom. That’s their problem. I don’t think they have a blatter any larger than men do. I would bet they don’t have the capacity that men do. The fact is that they can’t get to the stalls because there are too many standing in the way in front of the mirrors. Stand outside a womens restroom and watch. They never come out looking the same way they went in. Makeup, hair or something has changed. Men get the job done and get out. The law is a sexist statement. \

Why is the government getting involved with restroom problems when the economy is so bad?? People are struggling to get to work. That’s everyone except the lawyer and politicians.

— Tom
8:32 am May 6th, 2008

I love the city’s response…”they asked us and maybe we didn’t tell them, but it’s their responsibility to know the state requirements, not ours. ”

Technically that’s correct. However, given that this is the second time this has happened on a major project in the city in less than three years, might it be wise to make a local ammendment to the adopted plumbing code to….I don’t know…*fix* the section of the municipal code that is appearantly in conflict with a state law so this doesn’t keep happening?…

Or is adding a footnote to an adopted plumbing code so onerous as to keep the city from attending to all the other great things they’re accomplishing lately?

— M.
8:36 am May 6th, 2008

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