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10.17.2008 12:26 pm

Guest Post: To Joe the Plumber from Scott the Preacher

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Scott Lohse, pastor of St. Martin’s United Church of Christ in Dittmer, Mo., won our “Five Minutes with a Candidate” contest and will guest blog here through the election.

I guess you are experiencing a wildfire of instant and fleeting fame after being referred to so much in Wednesday night’s presidential campaign debate! In fact you may or may not realize this, but I just looked at the web site CafePress.com and noticed they are even selling Joe the Plumber T-shirts already.

The shirt I liked the most says, “Support Joe the Plumber because our economy is in the toilet.” A close second, however, is the shirt that says “No more drips in the White House.” I suppose you have already heard all of the plumber humor that you can bear.

You were selected as a prototypical person who might be able to succeed in your own small business if the U.S. tax code were to provide the proper climate for you. You have not made an endorsement yet in the current campaign, but you have made it pretty clear that if you ever were to earn a quarter-million dollars a year, you would not want for it to place you into a higher tax bracket.

Joe, I have to tell you that I feel your pain. I actually know a number of small business owners and they feel that a good deal of hard earned money constantly goes for operating expenses. As difficult as it can sometimes be to earn a living in this climate, I have to say that I have always subscribed to the notion that the customer is No. 1.

By that, I mean the best thing for the small business owner would be a healthy economy. That would help the greatest number of people fare well, so they have the resources they need. And they can feel like they can afford the services and goods you have to offer them.

Here is the thing Joe: I am looking for something new in the tax structure of our great nation that will stop awarding the best breaks to just a few people at the top and building on the backs of the majority.

I hope you do get your license to become a plumber Joe, and that you do make six figures.

I wish you well, but I believe that the current mess that our economy is in is due to people who already have more than they need always seeking to get more. Meanwhile, others, who cannot even afford health care and do not have any one to speak up for them, truly suffer.

Our system is broken, Joe, because the numbers of the poor and those on food stamps are growing while those who are wealthy continue to get more exclusive. Take heart, Joe, this economy is a drain on all of us.

So, here’s the question: Do you think that Americans have it within ourselves to look at the current state of affairs and ask, “What is best for everyone?” and not just, “What is best for me?”

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Scott,

I would contend that you are mistaken. It’s not sharing prosperity that you are seeking, it’s spreading it. Don’t reward anybody at the expense of the prosperous. Don’t reward anybody. Don’t give anybody more than they care to work for. Instead, create an economy that puts the the American dream within the grasp of those who would reach for it. That’s all you can do. Forced prosperity is something that doesn’t exist. Tax breaks for the middle and poor are bandaids. Do what it takes to make business work right - I want my boss to be rich. I want the guys who have money to invest to put into my company and make more money. I’m much better off when those things happen.

— Mike
3:46 pm October 17th, 2008

STEVE HOLT!

But, Obama was the one that said he wanted to “spread the wealth around.” (to Joe the plumber, whether he’s a plant or not is irrelavent.)

If you cut the middle and poor’s taxes at the expense of the overtaxed rich (yeah I get it, boohoo, but the system is already unbalanced), that’s an effective wealth redistribution, and we will eventually keep doing it until you call it socialism, but that’s what it is at any level.

Eventually we will kill the idea of achieving success for that middle class we were trying to make prosperous.

— Mike
3:52 pm October 17th, 2008

We have a system where 40% pay nothing. They only take. With such a system, it only takes ten percent of the rest to elect liberals who will give them more at the expense of the achievers who do the work. This is just the first step. There will be more and higher tax rates for higher incomes. I predict in four years, $250k will be only a stepping stone to higher rates at $500k $1 million and Gates and Buffet, you better move your dough offshore, because its only a short step for this bunch of takers to wonder why you need that much money?

— jjk
4:11 pm October 17th, 2008

“Where’s your outrage over that? And it’s now being spent to benefit a Wall Street that went amuck with greed and corruption. Where’s your outrage over that?”

If you haven’t heard the right’s outrage over these, you haven’t been listening.

— Mike
4:17 pm October 17th, 2008

Nobody is taking anybody’s money and giving it to the poor like Robin Hood! The idea is to let the lower income bracket KEEP more of their money, therefore giving them more to spend - benefiting the wealthy, which offsets the increase in their taxes! By lowering taxes for the bottom and increasing those that can afford necessities and much, much more, we are reviving the economy and not interrupting the flow of revenue that already sustains the country.

If you’re not working, you don’t pay taxes, therefore you don’t have more money because you CAN’T BENEFIT FROM LOWER TAXES WHEN YOU’RE NOT PAYING THEM.

There’s no “slippery slope” into socialism Mike, because your theory is based on the completely false notion that the wealthy will have their money taken from them and handed to those that don’t earn it. That’s just simply wrong, as is any notion that those that don’t work will be getting some sort of free ticket.

— Steve Holt
4:25 pm October 17th, 2008

I welcome the comment which suggested I had to have an egalitarian attitude because of what I do for my profession. Of course what I do is to encourage others to have the same attitude! In short what I am saying is that if you have enough to care for your livelihood while others struggle it is not just ‘godly’ to share, it is essential to the survival of us all. You don’t have to label it as socialism (or any other ‘ism’) actually I consider it to be God’s economy (that IS because of my profession!) Maybe it is as simple as the lesson we learned when we were little and our sibling got more than we did because his or her need was greater at that moment. I am going to be optimistic enough to hope that our current economic strain could cause us to come together instead of divide us.

— Pastor Scott
4:35 pm October 17th, 2008

Steve Holt
4:25 pm October 17th, 2008

Democratic presidential contender Barack Obama promises to “cut taxes for 95% of American workers.” That’s not possible. Why? More than 30% pay nothing in federal income taxes. Obama comes up with this number by calling tax credits “tax cuts.” When Obama’s credits go to people who pay no federal income taxes or who pay less than the value of the credit, they are not “tax cuts.” They are transfers of money from one pocket to another, or redistributions of wealth, but they are not tax cuts.

http://www.ibdeditorials.com/IBDArticles.aspx?id=309043468254194

— profff
4:42 pm October 17th, 2008

Scott,

Doesn’t expecting the successful to enjoy having money taken away from them ignores the fallen nature of this world? Advocate for it, but trying to legislate it is like garnishing wages for a tithe.

Steve Holt,

“There’s no “slippery slope” into socialism Mike, because your theory is based on the completely false notion that the wealthy will have their money taken from them and handed to those that don’t earn it.”

No, I have not misconception that it will be given to those that didn’t earn it. But, it will be taken from those who did. Those who already carry the burden. Ask Obama. He said it, he’s trying spread around the wealth. He defined socialism quite nicely right to Joe’s face.

“we are reviving the economy and not interrupting the flow of revenue that already sustains the country.”

Except for investing. Let’s tax that, because only the rich get benefit from it right? Let’s put a tax (not exactly an incentive) on an activity that can really get the economy moving. Smart.

If he’s not into socialism, then he must be into buying votes.

— Mike
4:56 pm October 17th, 2008

Mike, in the Bible it is called ‘gleaning’ and it just means that the guy who owns the crop can’t pick it ALL. He was expected to leave a little behind so that others who owned nothing could come along and pick the left-overs. It was not picked and handed to them. The did have to work for it and I suppose the crop owner might have resented not being able to pick the field clean but it was that culture’s way of providing a safety net. I wonder what a contemporary equivalent might be?

— Pastor Scott
5:25 pm October 17th, 2008

Hmm, why on earth is a preacher talking politics. I thought these liberals hated that.

— Think|
6:08 pm October 17th, 2008

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