You must be a very young man if you think this weather is so strange. This is fairly typical in my experience.

I’d say this is the strangest weather I remember in St. Louis. Sure, we’ve seen it change from cold to warm, warm to cold. But I don’t remember a season when it did this as many times as it has this winter.

What does this mean? Probably nothing. This sort of thing happens all the time near the mountains and in the desert.

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LOL…yes, he is willys…just look at that boyish face that you just want to squeeze and admire for some reason. I think that shows I am getting old because I feel that way about older and older people lately it seems. I don’t think it is any different than usual in this area. The weatherfolks showed some stats and it is just harsher than we have had the last five years or so, normal otherwise. I did notice the local weathercasters were quite a bit off on temps this weekend except for one who was right on. I go to weather.com for a more accurate hourly and ten day forecast. I also have had issues with mother nature’s storm timing. It seems every time I have an appointment I can’t change, she throws ice with the snow, and on days I can change my schedule around she is less harsh. It happened all season this year. She is a tease!
Not on subject, but still interesting, I read an article this morning in the latest online newsletter of foreclosures.com and it says a little known provision in the tax rebate check shell game is that it is not a gift, but the money will be added to what you will owe on next year’s returns. This is the first I’ve seen that info published. I don’t know about you, but I am getting tired of Georgie and his sins of omission. Carry on mission accomplished! Stay safe in the white stuff everybody.

Blame Dr. Gore and his global warming BS for the weather.

BTW Slugger, you didn’t actually think to GOVT was going to give you free money did you? Of course you will be claiming that on next year’s return. It’s not George W, blame Congress.

The weather is about the same I think. Regarding defending George Bush and putting it on congress. I don’t buy that. When he wants to swing it a bit, he is all boss all the time. Then when something cheaty goes public, his supporters say BLAME CONGRESS. Nope, don’t buy it a bit. GB was on saying this is a gift, something for you all. He even acted like it was his money he was giving away and everyone around him looked proud and gleeful as they “gave” us back our own money. I imagine the poster knows that, and was just commenting on the absurdity of it all. Trouble is, most will spend it as directed to “save” the economy and won’t have any to pay the tax next year. Bush will be retired with yet another unneeded gov’ment check in his mailbox for the rest of his life and laughing at the dems trying to clean up his messes. The good thing is, this country may be ruled by better leaders who will take over because they now own most of our bank paper. Our equity is no longer ours. The forecast is cloudy with lots of stuff dumped on our tired backs to shovel.

AJ…it’s not Al Gore’s BS, but you know that and are just trying to snipe at him. There are many respected scientists who believe there are issues with global warming that need to be dealt with. Some of your repub buds know it too. It’s SO last year to dis scientific findings on this subject. It’s already been proven. Hope you don’t have kids with your attitudes. I suggest you visit the tops and bottoms of the earth and tell the polar bears its a myth as they fight you for the few ice floes left in their stomping grounds. STL weather is as usual…ever changing.

This is certainly the most turbulent time I’ve ever lived through. The forecast is calling for about a 60% chance of recession, 90% chance of increased home foreclosures, and an 80% chance of falling dollar values. Also, there looks to be a job storm on the horizon as continuing downward hiring pressures and increased applicants are causing a severe low pressure zone in real wages. In war news, the two fronts that have been darkening our skies show no signs of alleviating. Making matters worse, it looks like there are several other dark clouds of war looming on the horizon.

Wrapping up the turbulence is a seasonal political storm caused by contentious elections. Political storms are always rough, but the 4 year cycle storms are the roughest. This years storm is promising a full blown mud tornado, and enough thunder to wake the dead (to vote).

Oh, you meant the meteorological weather?
It’s about the same.

It’s St. Louis, that’s the way it goes.

And how did this turn into a political debate? This is supposed to be a conversation about the weather. If you want to wax political, go to a different forum.

This weather is just a dramatic showing of mans effects on the weather. In 48 short hours, we will see examples of Global Warming and Global Cooling. I see Global Stabilization occurring within 10 days when the temperature is what it historically has been for mid March.

Marti, I guess they need more science

“If you don’t like the weather in St. Louis, then wait 5 minutes.” - So to answer the question, no this is not the strangest weather I have seen. I remember a few years back on Thanksgiving where it was near 80 degrees and in one gush of wind it dropped into the 40’s, and it was snowing by nightfall.

As for you global warming people. It does exist, but it isn’t because of people or cars. it is natural evolution of Earth. It happens every 10,000 years. DO THE RESEARCH!!!!! AND STOP LISTENING TO HOLLYWOOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Weird? Yes, if you are looking at the past ten years or so. Unheard of? Not at all. I remember when we used to get slammed on a regular basis, couldn’t even get rid of what was already on the ground when we’d get hit again. (Yes, that was when I was a kid and had to walk ten miles to school….) If there’s any difference, it’s that those Winters Of Yore got cold and stayed cold, not this all-over-the-place phenomena. That’s one of the reasons why what fell out of the sky tended to stick around for awhile. I guess what really seems odd is how the storm track keeps tracking right over us, with St Louis as Ground Zero.

One thing to bear in mind with the Global Warming scenario. That just means that the average world temperature will be higher. Because of this occuring and the resultant shift in global weather patterns, winters in the eastern half of the US will be colder and snowier. (St Louis sits in the grey border zone. One year St Louis could get the eastern weather and the next the western weather.) Despite our “breaks” like this weekend, the overall figures for this past winter are right on track. Most of the US has been colder than usual, while the world at large has been warmer. Of course, severe weather outbreaks at any time of year are also on tap in the Global Warming arena. In other words, there is no “normal” anymore.

This has been the most obnoxious winter since I moved to MO in Fall 1996. I feel like I’ve only seen the sun about once or twice a week. I’ve also used my snow shovel more in one winter than in the previous 3. Maybe we just go spoiled by the previous nice winters, but this is by far the most school closings that I’ve ever seen in one winter.

On a side note, MODOT cannot plow worth a darn, which is why I am not looking forward to this next storm. I live off Lindbergh (a state maintained route), and the surrounding county-maintained roads are 5 times better to drive on than the state maintained routes. But that’s probably because I live in South County, and it seems like MODOT sends their trucks to plow for the rich people in West County and along the I-64 corridor. On average, on my commute from Collinsville (on I-55), I’ll see at least 5 IDOT trucks, 1 MODOT truck, and 2 St. Louis County trucks.

Blame it on Ralph Nader. He’s responsible for all the imbalances.

Hahah… I’m laughing at all the people who belive in global warming. I am a proud Republican and I always knew Fox News was the only information I needed, because it’s TRUE. All those intellectual types with PhD’s are wrong, because it’s cold outside. Common sense is more important than education, why read all those books when you can look out the window? I only have a GED but even I can tell that global warming is a crock. Hail Jesus and remember to vote for the white dude in the election.

The nation has gotten more snow this year then it has gotten in the last 50 years.Wake up Al Gore and start shoveling!!!

I would tell the polar bears the caps aren’t melting if they could UNDERSTAND HUMAN LANGUAGE, but they’re not capable at this time. Maybe Algore should use his own hot air to power hot air balloons to travel the world while promoting his “research”, but I sense he’ll keep telling us we need to change our lives while he continues his life of carbon-footprinting excess. Better yet, maybe could go to the caps, learn to commune with the native polar bears and become a permanent resident there (either cap will be fine, provided he doesn’t come back).

It is global warming. Anyone else think all the factories in China, spewing smoke 24/7 doesn’t harm our earth’s atmosphere? If you watched Nat Geo you would have seen the history of our planet is that it will be getting warmer, then colder and freeze, then our planet will be dead, never will any life form return to it..We, as people will be long gone before Earth becomes a dead planet…by man is moving us faster and faster to the end…We are not taking care of this house we call Earth. The ocean tides have already started to get higher than ever before, the ice is melting in Antiarticia and the North Pole…We as mankind don’t have to worry about aliens coming from another planet,, we are to busy destroying our planet ourselves.

Who the hell had their air conditioning going on Saturday? I hope that’s a typo.

What about all that snow and sleet the media told us to prepare for last Thursday? That was….uneventful.

So if China’s the reason for the weather why is the US getting the mandate to use those stupid, good-for-nothing CFL’s? I’m assuming it got passed because some in Congress have friends in the CFL industry. You want to good light that uses little power? Look to LED’s, not CFL’s

Mike #6. so you believe anything anyone in govt is telling you when it comes to money? The common sense bulb in your head should have lit up as soon as the word “rebate” was announced. The govt doesn’t just hand out money without getting it from somewhere. You are just giving yourself a loan this year to pay back next year.

Now…back to the weather.

“Overnight and Tuesday… a band of heavy snow will develop across
southwest Missouri and move northeast toward eastern Missouri and
western Illinois. Snow accumulation in excess of 6 inches is
expected across much of the warned area. The greatest snow
acccumulation is expected to occur from Rolla… Missouri through
the western St. Louis metropolitan area to Carlinville… Illinois.
Within this heavier axis of snow up to 10 inches can be expected.”

This is how our weather was growing up, but it seems still to be a bit warmer. I can remember ice storms that didn’t melt for days and ice skating on the playground at Westchester Elementary.

One thing is for sure Human Beings do not have an effect on their surrounding environment, anyone that believes that is a commie. . . i mean terrorist . . . i mean enemy combatant

I don’t remember but one or two winters which were this icy. Many which were colder. And more snow. I lived through the 22 inches of snow at one fell swoop in the early 80s, when people were worrying about global cooling.

They can take this ice somewhere else, IMO. However, I am glad we’re getting all the precip. The last few years have been borderline drought around here. Someone a few days ago said, oooooh, the Misp and Mighty Mo might flood this spring! So? It’s about time. The grind is week after week after week seesaw. But spring is coming… Again, not that remarkable, unless you are under 30, and had the delusion the Midwest was LA.

I am not a meteorologist but I predict a 99 44/100th certainty that W will never receive a Nobel Prize for anything. There seems to be climate changes that probably are human induced but after the winters of 1977 and 1978 there were predictions of a pending ice age. Don’t like the weather in St. Louis, just wait a few more minutes.

This is been a solid winter with plenty of cold temps and a few good snows thrown in, but none of this is unheard of in the annuals of St Louis weather history. Last year was above average temps and little precip, this year it has been below average temps and plenty of precip…that’s how we get our averages people.

Just to tick Erin off…a non-weather related post… http://www.ml-implode.com
AJ I think you missed the satiric and irony related posts today. Where’s Rob? Pat’s back!
The weather is delightful and as it should be under god’s perfect plan.

The weather is controlled just like everything else here in America..

I’ve only lived here six years, but you don’t have to rely on anecdotal information to see new trends in the weather, as well as weather patterns that are giving existing weather models a hard time. The weather’s adverse impact on crops, flora, and fauna are clear indicators of change.

It’s the pattern that is different, not necessarily inches of snow, or days where cold records are broken. And it’s the pattern that could have long term, and potentially negative impact.

Next week’s Talkback topic: Your Humvee and you.

Whoever moved to the mid-west, and specifically St. Louis, for the climate??

hmm, I’ve noticed patterns of severe weather that always seem to happen when there are extreme temperature differences. I would say it be just interesting weather. I go to college up in Minneapolis and perhaps some of the strangest weather I have experienced is when its minus 12 degrees for about a week and a half , then all of a sudden the temperature rises to zero and it feels like summer! Thats strange weather to me. Enjoy the snow!

Yes, St. Louis has crazy weather but this has definitely been to the extremes. And the fact that we’re getting this much snow into March…it is slighty bizaare, and more that anything, sad. St. Louis always has up’s and down’s but I just think that this has been more snow than we’ve had in a long time.

We all must continue to wonder…when will spring be here?

If you think this is unusual you are retarded. It does this every year. There’s always a late january thaw before the early feb freeze, and there’s almost always a late feb thaw before an early march freeze.

Talk to me if it snows in may - THAT’S unusual for STL.

For you who are afraid of global waming, there is one CERTAIN WAY to stop it. Put a thrmostat on the Sun. The sun is causes global warming and global cooling. It has done so for hundreds of thousands of years.

Before you install the thermostat on the Sun, be sure and get international agreement on what the thermostats setting will be. I’m sure that will be easy to do.:).

You should also consult with the microbes…The are a lot bigger problem than humans ,,,ut you think humans have anything to do with global warming.

As far as rhis being a “unusual” winter for me, it has not.. The inconvenient truth is I can’t do anything about it. I am picturing how AL GORE is sitting at his computer writing another book while it’s too cold for him to go outside.

I’ve been thinking about writing a book. I have the name already. “SAY YES TO GLOBAL WARMING”.

Have a cold day, everybody.

I think this winter is a return to how winter should be. I don’t think it’s worse than any of the cold, snowy winters I’ve lived through. I recall that the big snow storm of the early 80’s dumped 22 inches of snow on us in March. I can also remember going to Cardinal games that were postponed or delayed by snow. Those games were in April. The idea that politics or humankind have some influence on the weather is ridiculous. Mother Nature will do as she pleases.

Well I think the weather does flunctuate more than when I was growing up. The winters that I remember when I was a kid were days and days of bitter cold weather and ice/snow storms that kept us off from school. But I always worried for my dad who worked for the Post Office who always had to get out in the weather no matter what. I remember one Christmas Eve when it took my dad hours to get home and I was so happy to see him walk through the door. I’m not sure there was a MODOT back then or if there was, their participation in getting the streets cleared. And they definitely didn’t have the products they have now to keep the roads wet and not iced. Cars weren’t as reliable back then and weren’t built to spend hours in a snowstorm. Many of times he was late because either he was stuck or he helped someone get un-stuck. Doors frozen over easily, defrost weren’t reliable, no back or side defrosters, tires weren’t as rugged. But if he could read this he would just laugh because I know he could probably tell me a story or two about his winters as a kid. So I guess as far as now and global changes the weather is strange as far as flunctuation but we have so many things available to us today to protect us against harsh winter days.

This has been more like the winters I remember when I was a kid in the 50s. Snow of more than an inch or two were fairly common and fairly regular if I recall correctly. Where we lived the street treatment the city (St. Charles) used was cinders. I don’t recall missing a lot of school over it. Most of the kids lived within a couple of miles of the school (which is under 370 now) and a lot of us did walk. Maybe it always snowed on the weekends.

You guys ought to weigh in on the “Mother Nature Watch” blog heading.

I am only in my mid thirties here, but have spent all of them in St. Charles. The weather around here has always been “all over” in the winter…I recall more snow when I was younger, but still remember running around in shorts one valentines day! Same goes for a particular Thanksgiving…and then getting dumped with snow later that night. Every year we go through swings…warm then cold, then warm again only to drop bitterly cold the next day (this past weekend seems to fit the bill). March started off with a bang folks! There’s a saying I think about that, you know…with the lion and the lamb!…..Very appropiate for St. Louis in general!

Just another thought that yesterday’s snowstorm made blatantly obvious. True, the winters of yesteryear were horrendous. But I was younger then. A lot younger. I used to make some serious bucks shoveling snow way back when. Now I’m hard pressed to get my own driveway cleaned off. Thank God a couple of kids came by yesterday and I paid them to do it! Usually a kid with a snow shovel is a rare commodity in my neck of the woods….

Bottom line. Snow is a lot more fun when you’re ten. Snow can be quite profitable when you’re 15. Snow can be “no big deal” to drive in when you’re 20. By the time you’re 60, it is a big deal, it’s isn’t profitable, and it sure as hell aint’ FUN!!!