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06.05.2008 11:02 am

Should city correct subdivision’s flooding ills?

St. Louis Post-Dispatch

The St. Charles City Council has backtracked on a city commitment to fix a longstanding flooding problem in the Pearl Ridge Estates subdivision near the Family Arena. In 2006, the council - then with a largely different membership - approved a contract with a construction firm to remedy the situation. Current council members say they’ve backed off because estimated costs have risen significantly - no matter which of several versions of the plan would be carried out. Residents say they’re caught in a dispute between the city and the developer over who’s responsible for the problem. The developer blames the city because the developer’s engineer drafted subdivision plans according to requirements provided by the city. City officials say the developer is responsible. The decision to cancel the remediation work was made in closed sessions and the city won’t release specifics or the vote tallies. The city attorney says that’s allowed because the flooding issue also is the subject of a pending lawsuit by the city against the developer. Do you agree or disagree with the council’s decision? Also, should the council have discussed and voted on this matter in closed meetings?

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Typically, before any “public” sewer work is undertaken, the developer will submit drawings and calculations to the City/MSD for review and approval. If the work is then completed per the submitted drawings and per the City/MSD’s approval comments, then it would be the City/MSD’s responsibility to make any corrective repairs. If the work is not completed per the City/MSD’s approval comments, then it would be the developer’s responsibility to make corrective repairs.

If the work involves a “private” sewer, one that is NOT subject to MSD’s approval, and if there are drainage problems, then it would likely be the responsibility of the developer to make corrections.

(Sometimes a developer will designate storm and sanitary sewers located directly “on” their developement property as “private”, usually so that the design governing their “private” sewers can be designed less stringently than “public” sewers. But in this case, the City/MSD would likely have NO responsibility.

If the developer cuts corners on his private sewer, he should make repairs.
If the City/MSD miscalculated water flows on “public” sewers, they should make the repairs.

— Ryan On The Euphonium
11:47 am June 5th, 2008

I totally agree with Ryan. The only difference is that there is no MSD in St. Charles and who knows who is to blame. He is very correct. The city should be as MSD is in St. Louis Co. They should be looking over the developers shoulder in every step of the way as the project progresses. Even if the developer has made a mistake somewhere along the process, the city inspector should have been in a position to stop the project long enough to correct the problems and continue. The city needs to take charge of getting this corrected as quickly as possible to stop the pain of the homeowners. If they are convinced that the developer is to blame, they should take it up with them through the court system but help the taxpayers out now.

— Tom
1:29 pm June 5th, 2008

This is happening in many areas as building is allowed on land that shouldn’t have buildings on it. As we get butt to butt because folks can think of ten thousand reasons why the world needs more of their spawns, drainage waters will have even less places to go. As drinkable water resources shrink at the same time. We tend to forget that here because we still filter the dirty river waters to drink. Throughout the country builders low on money are reneging on their agreements to provide proper services. Even after they collect city handouts to provide those services in most cases. Aren’t you glad they have protective legal entities and gov’ments willing to work in secret to screw you over? It’s the american way!

— David The Brass Carrier
9:25 pm June 5th, 2008

All of the above comments have some merit but all are not 100% correct. They have danced around the isues trying to lay blame on everyone except on the one who should shoulder the blame. It was the developer who had the bright idea to put houses inside a fish bowl. Just look around, mother nature has always let water run down hill! Duh. You don’t have to graduate from High School to understand that when it rains on the hill tops water runs down that hill to the valleys and rivers. Some are caught by ponds, lakes whether manmade or mother nature(God).
Still you can’t lay all the blame on the developer. All he wanted to do was make a fist full of dollars, didn’t matter if he had to lye, cheat, steal, make by deceit, or just plain bamboozal to buyer. Nothing is going to get in the way of selling the lots.
I wasn’t born yesterday or just last night, maybe the buyers of the lots in the low end of Pearl Ridge were, but almost everyone else knows that water runs down hill or to the lowest point. Doesn’t matter if that low spot contains houses or not, it is going to go there. Laws of Nature.
The point is does that mean that all of the city of St. Charles TAXPAYERS needs to pay the high cost of trying to correct the problem that has no guarantee to completely solve the problem.
The recent earthquake a lot of us felt recently has changed the shape and size of some of the impoundments and created new ones. Some are now deeper, some have filled in or the drains in the bottom have been closed off. Some hold water longer, others have been destroyed. Houses themselves have suffered damaged. Look at closet doors, kitchen cabinet doors that now close by themselves or now open all the way.
Point is the Taxpayer should not have to pay for someone elses mistakes.

— Dave on the bad end of the stick
4:29 pm June 10th, 2008

No, No, and again No.

No way no how.

No, my tax money should not be used to fix a developers mistakes/greed. Or the buyers stupidity.

— Len down the road
4:55 pm June 10th, 2008

As viewed at my end it seems the city council at present seems more concerned about what this city needs and what will benefit all the residents that pay taxes across the cities boundries unstead of what can benefit me (councilman). This council is more aware of the citys’ responsibilities. They have their eyes open and don’t see how the city is in any way at fault and the resident taxpayer needs to pay to fix it.

— Inocent Taxpayer
7:28 pm June 10th, 2008

More information regarding the topic can be found at
http://www.pearlridgeflooding.piczo.com

This is an example of city government gone bad

— Joe Taxpayer
5:11 pm June 11th, 2008

I don’t see city government gone bad. Looks to me like they relized that the residents of Pea Ridge bet on the stock market and lost now they want the rest of the city’s taxpayers to put the money back into their pockets. They apparrently have never heard “Take your lumps and move on”. You gambled and lost. Give it up already. Every gambler has his/her bad day.

— JOHNQPUBLIC
11:12 pm June 12th, 2008

Looks like Skidmark and his co-conspiritors have got their own website called pearlridgeflooding.piczo.com….Just give up you played your hand, now move on. All of you!!!

— Brownbaby
11:21 pm June 12th, 2008

It is sad that 40 somthing years ago the US put a man on the moon. In the year 2000 the city of st. charles can approve a developement like this.
Who is in charge at the city, wow.

— Joe Taxpayer
6:43 pm June 15th, 2008