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Kurt is the director of social media for the Post-Dispatch, where he has worked since August 2002. He's been a journalist since 1982, covering municipal government, courts, education and two hurricanes as a reporter before becoming an editor.
— Bill Hannegan
“The abortion alienates me right away from candidates like Obama and Biden. . .”
Single issue voters.
Look at the “big picture”.
Assess the overall impact for our country before you cast your ballot for President.
Most likely your decision will be a compromise because rarely will one like all in a candidates past or the future they propose.
Don’t focus on a single issue.
Voting for a candidate only because they support your primary issue ignores the candidates history and view. They may not be what you want.
This type of wedge politics brought us the current administration and got it reelected in 2004.
Don’t be played again.
Palin continued her laughably poor performance - though, to be fair, not quite as hilarious as her claiming she was a voracious reader of publications, then couldn’t name a single one - or a single Supreme Court decision besides Roe v Wade (all questions a pretty average high schooler could ace).
When asked about the VP’s role, or her Achilles’ Heel (maybe she is unfamiliar with the term?), she launched into rehearsed talking points, or acted as if she was answering another question, perhaps one concocted in her own empty head. It was jarring and bizarre, and didn’t go unnoticed by anyone in the media or any viewer for that matter. It’s hilarious that simply because she didn’t throw up or faint onstage that her dwindling supporters are claming victory. In the end, all the studying and cramming in the world can’t help this poser. I’m sure she’s a nice gal, but I’m tired of this idea that the president and vice president should be average joes when it comes to intelligence - it’s this insecure love of dumb-dumbs that got us two terms with baby Bush.
For his part, no matter what lies or hypocrisy she spewed, even about flip-flopping (hello!? Bridge to Nowhere? Pot, meet kettle), Joe Biden never once took the bait and attacked her. He smartly kept his criticism focused on McCain.
In a matter of weeks, she’s gone from being a rallier to an albatross for John McCain. He’s reaping what he sowed for his rash, cynical decision.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/10/01/AR2008100103600.html
If you listened to the pundits after the debate, you know that there are many false statements by both parties. That’s the problem. No matter what is said, who is telling the truth? It is so easy to be misled by either party. I believe that the past has to be considered when voting…when someone says “don’t look back, look forward”, they are trying to get you to forget about all the problems the previous administration got us into. Regardless of your party, think about if you want more of the same or a change for the better. Even if you don’t know a lot about the candidates, this question “am I and the world better off after 8 years of Bush?” should help you decide. It really ain’t rocket science, folks.
For the past few days I’ve been looking over the political map of America. For the past what, 12 years now, we are a country divided. The heartland bleeds red and the far west and northeast coasts are always blue. I’ve known this since Clinton was first elected. I’ve watched it become even more divisive and pronounced during George W’s campaigns. We are a country divided. I heard Kelsey Grammer on the Glenn Beck show today. He said it well when he said, (paraphrasing) “we are in a civil war. Not a war with bullets. But still, a civil war. Sadly, in these past 12 years the only thing that has brought us together is Osama Bin Laden”, and even now, there are those who want to make what happened on 9/11 into a conspiracy planned and delivered by our own government. As I have looked over the map and recall my last year of living in LALA land I have had many thoughts of hoping/wanting the northeast and west coasts to secede the Union. Yes, I have entertained many thoughts of wanting them gone. Let them leave and form their own government, infrastructure, social or communist states and leave the rest of us the heck alone. There are so many people compressed into these areas (I think I heard an estimate of 10 million living in LA county while I was there) that they lose a sense of belonging to a community, a sense of what can I do to help rather than what can the government do for me? I saw too many examples of “me first, screw the other guy” while I was in LA to list. And if I can’t do it for myself, well then by God the government better do it for me. These huge metropolises are so expensive to live in that it is hard to survive. So, live beyond my means, hey, it’s okay, I can file bankruptcy. And now, if what Joe Biden said during his debate last night is true, a judge can pardon my inability to pay my mortgage, lower my interest rate, and even change the principle amount I owe on said mortgage, just so I don’t lose my house. Never mind that I should never have been given a loan for such a large amount, or I was betting on being able to pay interest only, or maybe I just bought more home than I needed or could really afford. Doesn’t matter, the government will fix it all for me. Thank you Joe. I will certainly keep this in mind if I decide I need a bigger more expensive house, or even if I decide I should spend my money on luxury items and not pay my mortgage. Why should I worry if I can just have a judge make my problem go away?
Which brings me to my next point. Who ends up paying the difference? The government? Oh, yes, they will do it with the 50% which I already pay on my income in taxes and if Biden is again correct, I’m sure it will go up to around 65%. Please, take my wealth and make a society of “fairness” as you proposed. Like you said, it’s not a redistribution of wealth, it’s just “fair.” Say it ain’t so Joe….I really need to know who that is fair to. Who in their right mind would want to continue to work hard to make more and provide for their family just to have the government take it away for the fairness of everyone? I haven’t done the figures yet, but I can’t help but wonder if I wouldn’t actually keep more in my own pocket if I made just under the $250K amount you’ve stated instead of growing my business and having you take more and more in taxes. So, maybe I should reduce my work force and lay off some people, provide less services to the community I serve, and try to reduce my gross income. Oh, but wait. If I am to believe you the majority of small business owners already don’t make over $250K a year so it won’t affect them, so why am I even worried?
Joe represents the blue states very well. He is a true blue blooded Washington insider who knows how to talk the talk but not walk the walk. He can mesmerize the smartest of the dumb with his facts and figures, never mind that 1/2 of them are bold faced lies. He sounds knowledgeable and that, after all, is what the left is all about: perceived intelligence, elitism, and knowing how to make a pile of Ship High In Transit (look at the acronym) look like a filet mignon.
Palin on the other hand is a down to earth, my type of gal. She is genuine. She is likable. She may not know the ins and outs of Washington, but she knows dishonesty and greed. She is willing to take it on and conquer it for the little guy. She is a woman of principles. She is the heartland of America and that is why we love her. She wants to unite us, to make “I’m proud to be an American” mean something. And beyond being a patriot, she promises to change the way government is run. She promises to put it back in it’s place of protecting freedoms, rights, liberties, and the pursuit of happiness. Not adding to the ever expanding monster that wants to control every aspect of your life. Not send it on its way to becoming a socialist state. A promise to make it smaller and allow you to get on with your life without it being in the way. Thank you Sarah Palin. Now, Joe, let’s talk.
Your ability to talk out of both sides of your mouth is profound. You are like a snake charmer who bobs and weaves while hypnotizing his prey. Then, when they are so coo-coo for cocoa puffs that they don’t know what to believe, you strike and immobilize them. You conquer and reign supreme over the snake who will a few years down the road wake up from the hypnosis and realize it’s been screwed. Then watch out Barrack and Biden, because that viper is venomous and will find a way to strike back. I only hope and pray that it happens on Nov. 4th when McCain/Palin win the election, and not in 4 years in an effort to rid us of the ilk your administration imposed on us all.
— chrisjonna
“She wants to unite us, to make “I’m proud to be an American” . . she promises to . . . . She promises to . . Not adding to . . Not send it on its way to . . . A promise to make it . . .
And Now, Let’s Play Jeopardy
Sarah Palin provided this answer during the VP Debate
“Well, our founding fathers were very wise there in allowing through the Constitution much flexibility there in the office of the vice president. And we will do what is best for the American people in tapping into that position and ushering in an agenda that is supportive and cooperative with the president’s agenda in that position. Yeah, so I do agree with him that we have a lot of flexibility in there, and we’ll do what we have to do to administer very appropriately the plans that are needed for this nation. And it is my executive experience that is partly to be attributed to my pick as V.P. with McCain, not only as a governor, but earlier on as a mayor, as an oil and gas regulator, as a business owner. It is those years of experience on an executive level that will be put to good use in the White House also.”
Please Provide Your Response Making Sure It Is In The Form Of A Question
— chrisjonna
o My question to you is: How do you know what Sarah wants to do or is promising?
Her answer above is a big blob of babbling gibberish just like most of her answers
What Was John McCain Thinking?
o John McCain’s judgement is seriously flawed.
o Does anyone really think she has the credentials to be a heartbeat away from President
Play more Jeopardy at this link
http://elections.nytimes.com/2008/president/debates/transcripts/vice-presidential-debate.html
And Now, Let’s Play Jeopardy
Sarah Palin provided this answer during the VP Debate
“Well, our founding fathers were very wise there in allowing through the Constitution much flexibility there in the office of the vice president. And we will do what is best for the American people in tapping into that position and ushering in an agenda that is supportive and cooperative with the president’s agenda in that position. Yeah, so I do agree with him that we have a lot of flexibility in there, and we’ll do what we have to do to administer very appropriately the plans that are needed for this nation. And it is my executive experience that is partly to be attributed to my pick as V.P. with McCain, not only as a governor, but earlier on as a mayor, as an oil and gas regulator, as a business owner. It is those years of experience on an executive level that will be put to good use in the White House also.”
Please Provide Your Response Making Sure It Is In The Form Of A Question
What Was John McCain Thinking?
o How does anyone know what Sarah is saying?
o Her answer above is a big blob of babbling gibberish just like most of her answers
John McCain’s judgement must be seriously flawed.
He thinks she has the credentials to be a heartbeat away from the Presidency.
On day#1
Play more Jeopardy at this link
http://elections.nytimes.com/2008/president/debates/transcripts/vice-presidential-debate.html
Obama’s strong support of extreme abortion rights tells me that there is something so deeply wrong with his philosopy that I cannot trust him. Abortion will keep Obama from uniting the country.
“Abortion will keep Obama from uniting the country.”
Bill, what makes you think Obama has any desire to unite the country? The “Change” he preaches about is all about changing the party in power, not changing the way Washingtoon is ran. Obama, Reid and Pelosi simply will NOT unify the country, they have NO desire to work with the other party, they simply want to force their views on America.
STL, you seem upset at “one issue voters”, unless they are voting the way you want; “McSame”?
This Sunday (04Oct08) as part of the homily the priest will discuss “murder” what we know as pro-choice. There will be no talk of the economy, health care, “love thy neighbor” don’t practice racism, only abortion rights the decision the celibate men and women of the church should not have to ever be put in a position to choose.
Thanks God the Catholic nuns have formed their own group pushing for the bishops to stop only speaking about abortion against Obama and allowing McCain to increase poverty, lack of health care and promote racism.
Patricia Gibson, RN
Other points of interest.
How can we connect Obama to someone who was, like all of us, a little radical when we were young in the 60’s? The passion was there, and it took 40 years to see a little, yet still conservative passion blooming again in our youth.
But I digress. Obama was 8 when Ayers was a weatherman. But more recently John and his campaign manager were “running a campaign” when he met, like gangster’s on CSI Miami, with Raffaello Follieri, now convicted felon.. To do a little vote getting business.
Obama and ’60s Bomber: A Look Into Crossed Paths – New York Times 03Oct2008
Follieri has ties to McCain as well. Shortly after he entertained the Republican candidate on a rented yacht in Europe in 2006, he hired the lobbying firm Davis Manafort for his Catholic Church business initiative. The company was founded by top McCain adviser Rick Davis.
9/11/08 at 3:00 PM
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He’s a party McCainimal!Photo: Courtesy of the Nation
…. McCain is shown boarding the yacht ramp towards the smiling Follieri and Hathaway. Just ahead of McCain and shaking hands with Follieri appears to be Rick Davis–McCain’s top aide and now co-manager of his campaign, who accompanied him on the trip and advised the government of MontenegroOne of our favorite tidbits from Michael Shnayerson’s recent Raffaello Follieri story in Vanity Fair was the fact that John “I Hate Celebrities” McCain once totally hung with Hathaello on Follieri’s rented yacht one weekend when it was docked off the coast of Montenegro. And according to Vijesti, Montenego’s leading daily, it wasn’t just any day, either: It was McCain’s 70th birthday, which they all celebrated with cocktails and sweets and very likely getting low to some T-Pain, as we suspect McCain is wont to do. Now the Nation has published a picture of that special day, in which McCain and his aide (now campaign manager) Rick Davis meet the star of their favorite movie, The Devil Wears Prada. Everyone looks so happy. It’s hard to imagine it will only be a few short years before McCain denounces all celebrities save Heidi Montag and Follieri goes to prison and the authorities take away all Anne’s jewels. Poor Anne. No wonder she’s an Obama girl now.
The photograph substantiates reports that in late August, 2006, McCain celebrated his 70th birthday aboard a yacht, the Celine Ashley, rented by A-list con man Raffaello Follieri and his then-movie star girlfriend Anne Hathaway. A few months after McCain’s yacht party, Follieri strengthened his ties to McCain’s orbit by retaining Rick Davis’s well-connected Washington lobbying firm, Davis Manafort, and offering Davis both an investment deal and help in securing the Catholic vote for McCain’s presidential bid.
Hey !
Biden was outstanding in everyway ! He responded to all of the issues and questions in the manner in which a future-president, if necessary, would do in the future. He is no phony ! Gov/Palin is a phony ! She is attempting to draw the Whitewomen vote for McCain. But, Women aren’t crazy, or ignorant. They know that McCain do not support Women on any issues; and this includes Whitewomen. Why, this guy want even vote to give Women the right for equal pay with Men ! What kind of Monster is this in the 21st Century ! No on McCain now; and never !