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10.07.2008 9:34 pm

Have the debates really helped define the candidates’ positions?

St. Louis Post-Dispatch
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Debates have been a long-held tradition in politics. And we vary them between the stilted podium-anchored statements and tonight’s “town hall style” meetings.

The debate tonight sounded very much like the previous one to me, however. Sen. Obama worked very hard to paint Sen. McCain as a clone of President George Bush. McCain worked hard to describe Obama as a product of the Washington establishment — without the ability to reach across the aisle and promote change.

Do these debates do anything to help voters really understand the candidates’ views on the issues? Or do they confuse you more, as the candidates highlight the flaws they perceive in their opponent’s plans?

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I agree with a couple of other posters. Washington D.C. better start thinking of appeasing me instead of Israel! We outnumber Washington and Israel combined and they better take that to their usury banks!

— Appease Me For A Change!
9:20 am October 8th, 2008

And people say McCain has an anger management problem? Obama crumbled more than once.

— Scott
9:21 am October 8th, 2008

Obama is no saint but can anyone really imagine four years of looking at McInsane and his chipmunk pouch and “roboarms”?

— Alvin
9:25 am October 8th, 2008

It was more of the same, and I fell asleep halfway through the debate. Personally, I’m sick of hearing Obama say he’s cutting taxes for 95% of Americans when 40% don’t pay income taxes to begin with.

— jenhop23
9:27 am October 8th, 2008

Clearly Obama won again. We don’t even need to see the polls to know that. He comes across as president already, while John McCain comes across as an angry doddering old man.

Here’s what I don’t understand. Essentially McCain made the same sort of mistakes he made last time. Not friendly enough, not calm, awful body language and so on. Not a statesman. Not a reassuring elder who’s seen it all and who can be trusted to deal with it now.

I don’t believe that his handlers don’t know this. I don’t believe they didn’t know this after the first debate. It was dead clear. So, does John McCain not know this? Are they not able to tell it to him? Does he not listen? Why do they not have someone coaching him? Ditch some campaign appearances and spend hours working on his body language, his voice tone and give him answers that are statesmanlike.

Or is John “Maverick” McCain too angry to listen? Too frazzled, too tired, too unable to make a change from a game plan that clearly isn’t working. Is it the campaign? Or is it him?

Either way, it’s actually kind of sad. What I see in John McCain is an old tired man whose anger doesn’t just come from being behind but from having worked beyond capacity for too long. He doesn’t have Obama’s stamina, nor does he have the sense Obama had in taking a week’s holiday to recharge. The best thing that the McCain campaign could do now is to come up with some reason to give him the better part of 3 days off. Let Palin campaign for him, she pretty much does anyway. Let him recover.

I doubt it would matter to the end result, but at least we might not be treated to Obama coolly dismantling what amounts to a punch-drunk McCain who can neither think nor speak straight.

— JC
9:28 am October 8th, 2008

Let’s elect Obama president, McCain VP (he knows more of the people the VP is sent to funerals for as they are his generation.) Send Biden to Home Depot for spare parts to fix the country, and Caribou Barbie back to shoot Rooshians in the Bering Strait with her moose rifle.

I just got a couple of those so-cool Rednecks for Obama bumper stickers.

I don’t know that the debates do anything at all, except present a vision.
Anyone else actually read the Lincoln-Douglas debates? They weren’t very practical– they presented ‘visions’ for America. What happened in April of 1861 turned even that vision on its ear. Lincoln surrounded himself with the best people he could find (not all good, but the best he could find) and how long did it take him to get a decent general (who made a rotten president)? Government is a human endeavor. Obama is the first person of my generation to be given a chance, and I say we let him take it.

. I don’t have the stomach for TV commercials. I’ve been appalled at the “lies, damned lies and statistics” being used on radio commercials. The president should have a ‘vision’ and a direction for the country — that’s what being president is all about. Obama has a ‘vision’ and a direction — admittedly a tad naive, and impractical, but he’s intelligent– he’ll learn.

McCain just needs to clean his trifocals, buy a GPS and ride off into the Sedona sunset.

— Teresa
11:29 am October 8th, 2008

Alvin,
Those roboarms are from broken arms and shoulders as a POW. There are many out there with the same problem. It’s from having your arms tied behind your back and picked up by them and dipped in ice water. You are one sick person. If you can’t find anything else to say don’t say anything. I can’t believe you would say such a thing about someone that has been through that. I have no respect for anyone like you.

— first tom
11:30 am October 8th, 2008

I think the debates allow the candidates to challenge face-to-face the credibility of their opponents ad content and campaign rhetoric. Obama and Biden have successfully used the 3 debates to spotlight McCain’s position of being loose with the truth on tax plans and funding the troops. In addition, one of the reasons McCain continues to tank in the polls is that his campaign tactics have resulted in his loss of the trust and the confidence of some voters.

How McCain Lost Credibility With The Voters

Negative Ads
o When the content has been debunked by unbiased sources then the content is recognized as a lie. Playing the debunked ad again and again is lying again and again. This is an insane strategy that is an insult to the intelligence of we voters and erodes the voters trust.

Which Ads, What Subjects?
o Will Increase Taxes - McCain’s ads and points during each debate. Quickly and thoroughly debunked by Obama and Biden citing an independent analysis of the candidates tax plans.
o Voted Against Funding The Troops - McCain’s ads and in the first two debates. Quickly and thoroughly clarified by noting the difference between the candidates positions on strategy in Iraq. McCain voted against funding the troops when a timetable for withdrawal was part of the bill, while Obama voted against when a timetable was not included. They both voted to fund the troops but they both voted against an exit strategy in Iraq they didn’t like.
http://www.bargaineering.com/articles/nbc-video-analysis-of-obama-mccains-tax-plans.html
http://www.taxpolicycenter.org/taxtopics/presidential_candidates.cfm

VP Selection
o Nominating someone so obviously lacking in credentials to occupy the #2 position showed either a significant lax in judgement, prioritizing political expediency over the security of our country, or both. The Gibson and Couric interviews dramatically showed the shallowness of the selectee on major political issues. The VP debate amplified it to 70 million viewers. Providing a rapid recital of irrelevant talking points and buzz words interwoven with folksy talk, winking, a pretty face and a couple of zingers just does not satisfy the American electorate. Closing ones eyes to eliminate the visual distractions so as to just listen to the words is so revealing, as is reading the transcript. The performance in the VP debate had to generate even more questions about John McCain’s judgement and credibility. My hunch is that after the VP debate all but the party faithful thought “What was John McCain thinking?”.
http://elections.nytimes.com/2008/president/debates/transcripts/vice-presidential-debate.html

Stiffing David Letterman
Over 8 million TV and YouTube viewers watched Lettermen’s two night tirade about McCain’s deceit. Letterman caught McCain lying after phoning and canceling his scheduled appearance on Letterman’s show that night. McCain canceled because he needed to return to DC immediately in order to work the financial crisis. Letterman showed a live feed from the CBS newsroom with McCain at a news desk across from Katie Couric preparing to be interviewed, hardly on his way back to DC. In addition, McCain did leave for DC until the next morning. The live feed certainly called into question McCain’s credibility.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XFw-_e1ZckI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=59S8CMXXvWI

Credibility is huge.
If the voters don’t believe you then why would you ever expect them to vote for you?

— STL
11:37 am October 8th, 2008

This debate did clarify a little better some of each candidate’s positions.

I look at the debates, at least the ones between Senators McCain and Obama as the fora in which they can present themselves and their positions in the best light. At least, neither has had to use Gov. Palin’s “let me get back to you on that” in response to a direct question, and, neither winked at us.

While I am a supporter of Senator Obama, I really do want to hear from each candidate on what they consider as viable policies and procedures to help improve this mess we are in presently. I did find it interesting that Senator McCain had one or two fairly strong statements disassociating himself from President Bush and Cheney. Unfortunately, he did not follow up on these all that well.

I see by the poll that Senator Obama is being given the “win” on this debate. Senator McCain needed to be outstanding just to pull even. Senator Obama maybe played it “safe” too much, although this time at least he did “counter-punch”. I would prefer both bringing their “A” game in next weeks debate and to stop playing it safe.

— RHarnack
2:13 pm October 8th, 2008

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