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10.07.2008 9:34 pm

Have the debates really helped define the candidates’ positions?

St. Louis Post-Dispatch
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Debates have been a long-held tradition in politics. And we vary them between the stilted podium-anchored statements and tonight’s “town hall style” meetings.

The debate tonight sounded very much like the previous one to me, however. Sen. Obama worked very hard to paint Sen. McCain as a clone of President George Bush. McCain worked hard to describe Obama as a product of the Washington establishment — without the ability to reach across the aisle and promote change.

Do these debates do anything to help voters really understand the candidates’ views on the issues? Or do they confuse you more, as the candidates highlight the flaws they perceive in their opponent’s plans?

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All Obama wants is to make history as the first black President, anything that comes after that does not matter as he will be forever in the history books. He does not care about you! not one bit. Just ask his Pastor for over 20 years…Rev. Jeramia Wright…by the way where are those soundbites from the McCain campaign? If those were run daily, things surely would turn around. Do not trust Obama to do right by America!

— A. Patriot
5:42 am October 9th, 2008

Oh, there’s plenty of reason to call names. The idiocy being thrown out here is more than deserving of it. Look at the pol. Obama wins by that kind of margin? I’m pretty sure the voters didn’t even watch the debate. They’re Obama supporters, they would say he won if he hadn’t said a word. It’s a sad commentary on the readers here. Not who they like, but they can’t understand what it means to win a debate. It’s koolaid drinking.

Morons might have been a strong word. Disingenuous liars is more like it.

— Mike
8:45 am October 9th, 2008

STL, in my research, I found that Obama’s tax plan actually raises taxes on the middle class. Please see the discussion under marginal tax rate increases for both candidates at http://www.taxfoundation.org. While the website indicates that both candidates are wrong in their comments regarding who will pay more in taxes, Obama comes out on the short end regarding his comments.

Also, regarding your comments about the VP selection. In my review from various outlets about Biden’s comments, he was wrong on many counts. His most egregious comments were regarding the roll of the Vice President when he mentioned Article I of the Constitution covering the Executive Branch (it was Article II) and that the VP can preside over teh Senate only when there is a tie vote (the VP is the President of the Senate and interprets the rules..and can only be overridden by a vote of 60 Senators). Palin got it right when she said the VP holds positions in both the Executive and Legislative Branches. Going on, Biden said McCain’s plan would cost people money…but the Tax Foundation finds that it could easily be roughly deficit neutral over ten years. Also, Biden said that under an Obama Administration, the middle class would pay no more than they did under Ronald Reagan..not true..the tax rates wil be similar to the higher rates under Clinton. He was misleading on many other things as well..and a flat out liar regarding having a beer at “Katie’s Restaurant” in Delaware…it hasn’t been Katie’s for at least 15 years. What an idiot.

I am hearing now that Michelle Obama worked at the same law firm that Bill Ayers’ wife did and am trying to make sure this is correct. If so, it goes to more concerns about whether Obama is telling the truth about his past associations. If he is not truthful about that, how can you trust him to run this country?

— Logicprevails
8:50 am October 9th, 2008

— A. Patriot
” If those were run daily, things surely would turn around. Do not trust Obama to do right by America!”

You need to keep up
They were run daily 24×7 for about 2 months during the primary
The voters decided it wasn’t significant

and they won’t change their minds
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You just rehash the same old trash
Can’t your handlers think up anything new?
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— STL
8:57 am October 9th, 2008

STL said “You just rehash the same old trash
Can’t your handlers think up anything new?”

Give him some time – 97.1 won’t have Bill O’Reilly on until 11am, followed 2 hours later by Glenn Beck, followed 2 hours later by Sean Hannity. I’m sure something in his daily 6 hour dose of right wing cool-aid will cause him to come back here and vomit red all over the board.

— He has't had his daily dose
9:34 am October 9th, 2008

Why were only two people taking part in the Presidential debates? Obama and McCain will not be the only names on the ballot.

US politics is shameful and the American people are being led around by the nose. The most depressing aspect is most don’t even know it. As long as people choose to remain willfully ignorant we will never break the two-party monopoly on our politics. And since McCain is a Republican in name only, isn’t it really just one party?

You may now resume petty partisan bickering.

— Ben
10:44 am October 9th, 2008

I hate to here all the negative things about the candidates as much as anyone else. However, as a republican I was somewhat interested in Obama because of my lack of faith in McCain. After hearing some things about Obama that have been under played by him. I have decided that he is a little too shady to be in the White House. Because of negative adds I have opened my eyes to what kind of person he really is.

The first two qualities that I would look for in a president are Honesty and trust. Obama has proven to lack those qualities. He is not telling the truth about his past with his minister as well as other people. McCain may be using negative adds but Obama is outright lying in his adds. He is starting to look like a non athletic O.J. Simpson.

Some are saying that he looks presidential in the debates. Do you really want a president that can’t stop pointing his finger at you while he talks.

— first tom
10:56 am October 9th, 2008

— first tom
“The first two qualities that I would look for in a president are Honesty and trust’

Me too
What happened to John McCain
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How McCain Lost Credibility With The Voters
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Negative Ads

o When the content has been debunked by unbiased sources then the content is recognized as a lie. Playing the debunked ad again and again is lying again and again. This is an insane strategy that is an insult to the intelligence of we voters and erodes the voters trust.
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Which Ads, What Subjects?

o Will Increase Taxes - McCain’s ads and points during each debate. Quickly and thoroughly debunked by Obama and Biden citing an independent analysis of the candidates tax plans.

http://www.bargaineering.com/articles/nbc-video-analysis-of-obama-mccains-tax-plans.html

http://www.taxpolicycenter.org/taxtopics/presidential_candidates.cfm
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Voted Against Funding The Troops - McCain’s ads and in the first two debates. Quickly and thoroughly clarified by noting the difference between the candidates positions on strategy in Iraq. McCain voted against funding the troops when a timetable for withdrawal was part of the bill, while Obama voted against when a timetable was not included. They both voted to fund the troops but they both voted against an exit strategy in Iraq they didn’t like.
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VP Selection

o Nominating someone so obviously lacking in credentials to occupy the #2 position showed either a significant lax in judgement, prioritizing political expediency over the security of our country, or both. The Gibson and Couric interviews dramatically showed the shallowness of the selectee on major political issues. The VP debate amplified it to 70 million viewers. Providing a rapid recital of irrelevant talking points and buzz words interwoven with folksy talk, winking, a pretty face and a couple of zingers just does not satisfy the American electorate. Closing ones eyes to eliminate the visual distractions so as to just listen to the words is so revealing, as is reading the transcript. The performance in the VP debate had to generate even more questions about John McCain’s judgement and credibility. My hunch is that after the VP debate all but the party faithful thought
“What was John McCain thinking?”.
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Stiffing David Letterman
Over 8 million TV and YouTube viewers watched Lettermen’s two night tirade about McCain’s deceit. Letterman caught McCain lying after phoning and canceling his scheduled appearance on Letterman’s show that night. McCain canceled because he needed to return to DC immediately in order to work the financial crisis. Letterman showed a live feed from the CBS newsroom with McCain at a news desk across from Katie Couric preparing to be interviewed, hardly on his way back to DC. In addition, McCain did leave for DC until the next morning. The live feed certainly called into question McCain’s credibility.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XFw-_e1ZckI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=59S8CMXXvWI

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Credibility is huge.

If the voters don’t believe you then why would you expect them to vote for you?
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John McCain has lost his honor and his credibility with the voters.

— STL
11:30 am October 9th, 2008

McCain should play the Penguin in the new Batman Movie.

— momrn94
1:38 pm October 9th, 2008

People, people obama is the anti-Christ.Why can’t you get that? Well if he makes president your going to be very sorry.

— calcool
2:08 pm October 9th, 2008

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