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07.14.2008 4:55 pm

Iraq vs. Afghanistan

St. Louis Post-Dispatch
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In a widely discussed op-ed in the New York Times this morning, Barack Obama laid out his plan for Iraq.

The major centerpiece of Obama’s policy in the War on Terror is that Iraq has been a “distraction” from the more important battle in Afghanistan, where we should be focusing our attention and resources. One of the main points of his op-ed is that withdrawing from Iraq would free up the necessary resources to “finish the job” to Afghanistan:

Ending the [Iraq] war is essential to meeting our broader strategic goals, starting in Afghanistan and Pakistan, where the Taliban is resurgent and Al Qaeda has a safe haven. Iraq is not the central front in the war on terrorism, and it never has been. As Adm. Mike Mullen, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, recently pointed out [me: link here], we won’t have sufficient resources to finish the job in Afghanistan until we reduce our commitment to Iraq.

As president, I would pursue a new strategy, and begin by providing at least two additional combat brigades to support our effort in Afghanistan. We need more troops, more helicopters, better intelligence-gathering and more nonmilitary assistance to accomplish the mission there. I would not hold our military, our resources and our foreign policy hostage to a misguided desire to maintain permanent bases in Iraq.

U.S. military officials have indeed said that at least three additional brigades (over 10,000 troops) would be needed to stabilize Afghanistan. Obama promises at least two additional brigades (7,000 troops) for Afghanistan as he withdraws U.S. forces from Iraq.

On the other hand, Christopher Hitchens, writing in Slate, criticizes the “either-or,” zero-sum rhetoric about Iraq and Afghanistan, pointing out several logical fallacies in such an argument and insisting that it’s foolish to claim that the United States can only fight in one country at a time. 

Among his arguments:

The American presence in Afghanistan is not at all “unilateral”; it meets every liberal criterion of being formally underwritten and endorsed and armed and reinforced by our NATO and U.N. allies. Indeed, the commander of the anti-Taliban forces is usually not even an American. Yet it is in these circumstances that more American casualties—and not just American ones—are being experienced than are being suffered in Iraq. If this is so, the reason cannot simply be that our resources are being deployed elsewhere.

Many of the most successful drives against the Taliban have been conducted by American forces redeployed from Iraq, in particular from Anbar province. But these military victories are the result of counterinsurgent tactics and strategies that were learned in Iraq and that have been applied triumphantly in Afghanistan.

Hitchens points out that it’s rather simplistic to assume that the problem in Afghanistan is “simply a shortage of troops” — NATO commanders and the Afghan government believe otherwise: that the continued strength of al-Qaeda and the Taliban is due to the backing of Pakistani elites and the Pakistani military-industrial complex, which allows jihadists easy access between Pakistan and Afghanistan and a supply of weapons and recruits.

Hitchens also poses a theoretical question: What if, in the future, the U.S. was presented with a terrorist-sponsoring, WMD-armed rogue regime bent on fomenting instability, violence, and chaos in the region and around the world?

Would we be bound to say, in public and in advance, that the Western alliance couldn’t get around to confronting such a threat until it had Afghanistan well under control? This would be rather like the equivalent fallacy that nothing can be done in the region until there is a settlement of the Israel-Palestine dispute. Not only does this mean that every rogue in the region can reset his timeline until one of the world’s oldest and most intractable quarrels is settled, it also means that every rogue has an incentive to make certain that no such settlement can ever occur.

Which argument do you find more convincing?

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Obama’s NYTimes editorial is already inoperative as in large measure it was based on assertions that Maliki was demanding a date certain U.S. withdrawal.

Maliki’s words were misreported by the media (ironically enough) based upon a printed misstatement originating from Maliki’s own office.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7504571.stm

If both NATO & Afghan commanders insist addt’l troops are needed… who’s qualified to dispute them?

Who is more convincing — Obama or Hitchens? Hands down for Hitch. Would relish a Hichens-Obama debate but merley fantasy as Obama would never dare risk it.

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— BobZ.
11:45 pm July 14th, 2008

You mean, the same Christopher Hitchens who claimed that Saddam tried to buy uranium ore from Niger (http://www.slate.com/id/2139609/?nav/fo/) ? The unapologetic cheerleader for the war in Iraq Christopher Hitchens? Yes, he is a true foreign policy expert.

And Hitchens’ “theoretical” question is idiotic. There’s a difference between “confronting a threat” and engaging in an indefinite occupation of a country; namely, the latter requires a far greater commitment of troops and resources.

— Adam S
12:21 am July 15th, 2008

Iraq has been a disastrous distraction from Afghanistan, where our enemies (OSB and the Taliban,remember them? 9/11?)are planning the next attack, financed by a drug trade we have failed to stop.

http://dangerousintersection.org/2006/08/13/afghanistan-democracy-is-drowning-in-illegal-drugs/

— Tim Hogan
1:24 am July 15th, 2008

That would be the same fellow. Did he independently claim to discover Saddam’s yellowcake inquiries or was he merely reporting on the confirmation of such from the Duelfer Report? If so, wouldn’t your beef be with the Duelfer findings?

Agreed, neither Obama nor Hitchens are foreign policy “experts”. Few of those put forth by the media truly are “experts”.

I believe Hitchens made his decision to support Saddam’s removal based upon clear and compelling evidence of what Saddam’s regime was doing to his own people. And the fact the Saddam defied 16 UN resolutions in 13 months (or vice versa, or somesuch number… I’ll look it up tomorrow). And also that Saddam was blatantly cheating on the UN Food for Oil program. Combined with continuing to fire missles at US jets enforcing the no-fly zones, having previously invaded Kuwait (Saudi Arabia next had not the Coalition of the Willing stopped him), launched SCUDS into Isreal, &c. Hitch was quite compelling in that NYU debate hosted by Amy Goodman(?)… if you dare to watch.

Obama presumably made his decision, serving in the Springfield statehouse, based on how it would affect his ability to earn vote in his district. Isn’t it true the only opportunities he had to actually take a stand with a vote was while in US Senate — and he voted in favor of war funding. Would you consider that a profile in courage or a stick-you-finger-to-the-wind moment?

Why consider that Hitchen’s question as “idiotic” when Defense doctrine has long been to have the abilty to wage/be at readiness for 2.5 wars worldwide? (that “.5 war” always puzzles)

Isn’t it evident to all that “indefinite occupation” is not the policy of our government? Had Al Qaeda not emerged and had Iran not set about to destabilize its neighbor, wouldn’t the majority of troops already be stateside by now? Electric/water/sewage plants, crumbling infrastructure rebuilt — all those essentials Saddam ignored — would’ve been so far along.

Likely there will be a base-sharing arrangement as Iraq continues to stabilize. And if you don’t recognize that then you’ve got no business calling Hitchens “idiotic”.

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— BobZ.
2:06 am July 15th, 2008

Adam, so you would have us believe that Hussein sent his top nuclear guy on a trade mission to Niger to trade cow peas?

— Si Vis Pacem Para Bellum
7:20 am July 15th, 2008

I’m not generally a fan of Hitchens, but even when he’s off base, he can run circles around intellectual lightweights like Obama. Obama’s proved yet again he has no idea what he’s talking about and only makes pronouncements like this when political pressure forces him to do it.

What I would like to hear from a potential next president is a committment to force the nations who initially pledged monetary, logistical,and military support for Afghanistan to fulfill their pledges. We should make it clear that the US is under no obligation to provide continued financial or other aid to countries which don’t keep up their ends of a bargain.

— Go_Fish
10:51 am July 15th, 2008

Standard Republican argument: In order to prevent the nuclear detonation of the entire planet, would you be willing to torture fifteen people knowing that fourteen of them are innocent? If yes, the it’s OK for President Bush to torture anyone he wants.

The Hitchens’ variation: In order to prevent a rouge nation from publicly delivering nuclear weapons to a terrorist group at an 11 AM press conference, would you be willing to militarily strike that country even while engaged in an occupation of another country. If yes, then it’s OK for the United States to engage in as many simultaneous foreign occupations as the most extreme right-wingers want.

If you don’t see what’s wrong with these arguments, congratulations! You’re a neocon.

— Adam S
1:42 pm July 15th, 2008

— Adam S You’re gonna’ be all sphincter-ie in about 10 years as a free Iraq chooses to freely erect a statue to freely honor the country that helped free them… whose image will they use ??

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— BobZ.
6:17 pm July 15th, 2008