We’re NOT whiners! *Sniff*

Objection! They are whiners.

Go fish and flyover: How about using your real names or are you ashamed of your views?

The professors’ letter was right on the money, logical and well written. Mrs. Schlafly’s letter was whining and a personal attack.

How about the Chancellor’s decision to have Margaret Bush Wilson present the award? Brilliant idea-a decent attempt to defuse the situation-whoever thought that one up should get an honorary degree at next year’s commencement.

The person who nominated Ms. Schlafly on the Board ought to be ashamed of him or herself, not for the nomination, but for letting the University stew in this mess without having the guts to admit it and defend it.

Here is a suggestion that might make it win win for everyone. I’ll donate $1,000. to a scholarship fund in honor of Ms. Schlafly’s son if the member of the Board who nominated Schlafly will admit it and defend it-and I’ll offer to call on my class members (’70 and ‘74) to contribute also.

Hey Norm,
I will donate $1,000 (Not to Wash U, but a legitimate charity), if you will stop demanding the same thing every time you post here. Its getting old.

Breaking…Schlafly calls students at WashU “Losers” : http://www.kansascity.com/news/breaking_news/story/620003.html .

Thanks Wrighton!

Chancellor Wrighton has it right, “anguish” is what the WU community is feeling. I met him at the Eliot society dinner, and have been a supporter of WU as an alum from the time I was VP Queen in the summers of 1959-60 when WU saved my sanity, and where I became an activist against nuclear war.

I ache for our founder… I am distinguished alum of Mary Institute, the school founded for girls to learn well enough to attend WU. Rev. Eliot founded both schools, because he believed women could be anything they wanted to be, even before the Civil War in the US!!

I ache for the other Schlafly family who were my neighbors, and my Republican parents raised me to revere their activism around desegregation of schools, which started in the 1940s. Sad to say, basically Phyllis Schlafly is a segregationist as far as women being excluded from certain jobs.

Frankly, I am also dumbfounded at how anyone could honor someone who trades on dishonoring anyone! The committee simply did not do their homework.

Ms Schlafly gives conservatives a bad name! John Ashcroft, a known conservative, joined the ranks of hundreds of legislators and 40 some governors helping our campaign to make marital rape a crime in all 50 states, saying it was because they wanted no harm to come to women. We won in 1993 and we will be honored this July in Washington DC.

Ms Schlafly’s contention at Bates College March 28, 07 that “by getting married, the woman has consented to sex, and I don’t think you can call it rape”, is totally beyond the pale of civilized discourse. The wondrous students took her on, and the blogs were spot on!

She doesn’t even credit the source, a known misogynist jurist in 1736—Matthew Hale. By 1995, the delegates from all the countries at the official UN conference about women in Beijing resolved that women are allowed to choose when to have sex, although married. Bodily integrity is a basic human right. Many of the delegates were male. 182 countries got it? Why not Ms Schlafly..?

I have to say as a Free Speech Movement activist of 1964 in Berkeley, I support her right to speak on campus or anywhere. In fact, it helps air the issues, but honoring her, and no counter debate, is not educational.

Phyllis Schlafly’s crusade to”bury” the ERA was not effective, despite what she told the Post Dispatch today 14th May 2008! Why did they not do their homework!? US women deserve to be in the constitution! We are so far behind so many other countries.

If the Equal Rights Amendment were “buried 25 years ago”, why was she actively out there in the states which are trying to ratify it in the last 2 years? It is still alive in Congress and in 4 special states, including Missouri! See http://ERAcampaign.net

Don’t be fooled, please! She deliberately dishonors the entire human race by ghettoizing half of it, campaigning against domestic violence protections and denying that rape is not a family value!! Hats off to the faculty of the School of Social Work and the School of Law faculty and the terrific students.

Laura X (born Laura Rand Orthwein )
Founder/Director Women’s History Library/National Clearinghouse on Marital and Date Rape

There’s a real mainstream response.
Flyover-X

yes flyover, most of mainstream America has moved beyond the stone age. we hope you will join us some day.

That’s Flyover-X.

Because Mr Pressman, as you’ve so ably shown here, including ones name on a blog comment doesn’t necessarily mean one has anything interesting to say.

“Don’t be fooled, please! She deliberately dishonors the entire human race by ghettoizing half of it, campaigning against domestic violence protections and denying that rape is not a family value!!”

Could you possibly be more irrational and shrill? Would love to know who exactly thinks rape is a family value. They should be avoided at all costs.

Go Fish, can you at least read the comments before spitting out knee-jerk reactions? Schlafly’s quote is included in the very comment you were reacting to: at Bates College, Schlafly said “by getting married, the woman has consented to sex, and I don’t think you can call it rape”

Flyover you’ve made a good point and have a deal-Send your check payable to Family Resource Center (which takes care of foster kids in St. Louis-a truly politically neutral charity) to Eric Mink at the Post-You can either send an annoymous money order or I’ll agree that he won’t reveal your name. When Mr. Mink receives the dough I’ll promise not to blog on ANY site regarding Ms. Schalfly. Mr. Mink will have my persmission d to delete any posts I make. If you make the contribution $2k he can delete the old one.

Time to put your money where your mouth is.-And I’ll bet $1k you don’t. If you do I’ll not only shut up and I’ll match your grand.

If you don’t pay up within the week I’ll assume you have welched and will be changing your anonymous blog name.

Norm, you assumed you get to pick the charity. I will send $1,000 to the Make a Wish Foundation. I will have Sandy Leher, their director notify Mr. Mink that it arrived. I want you to keep posting, just come up with a new line. Just because someone posts anonymously, doesn’t mean they are wrong! (Also, I am taking the deduction, I am going to need it if Barak F. Obama gets elected).

I’m delighted that you boys — I’m assuming flyover (or should I say flyover-X) is male — appear to have worked out an arrangement. Maybe you two should volunteer for duty as co-Middle East envoys. If you can bring peace to The Platform, all things are possible.

Now please feel free to resume the issue-oriented argumentation.

Yes Adam, I can. In fact, I can even do you one better. I’ve read the entire transcript of that speech as well as several other arguments Schlafly’s made regarding what she considers the injudicious use of domestic violence law. If you’ll take the time to do the same, you might be surprised to learn what Schlafly really said. That is, of course, if you or any of her other critics care about little things like context and intellectual honesty. It’s obvious certain members of the Wash U Law faculty and Ms X do not.

Flyover:

Maybe there really is a god like Phyliss says-Sandy Lehrer of Make a Wish and her Husband Joe are the godparents of my three children. You’ve picked a good charity. Have Sandy call me when the check arrives. I’ll send a similar amount to Family Resource Center.

I’ll enjoy reading the rest of your insults which will go unanswered.

Thanks for your help Eric.

Oh great, now I have to make her sign a confidentiality agreement. You can respond to me, insult me, just don’t keep saying I want to know who you are!

Oh. My. God. Can we give this a rest already? Tens of thousands have died in Myanmar and thousands have died in China over the last several days. Important crises are happening in the world. But the-Harvard-of-the-Midwest gets its whole world turned upside-down over a damned honorary degree…. Memo to Wash. U students and faculty — the world does not revolve around you….. Sheesh…..

Flyover-X:

I was logging on to say that I hadn’t gotten a call that the money had arrived when I saw your commnet. Of course I wouldn’t ask Sandy to disclose your identify-she wouldn’t do so anyway. In fact if you were so concerned you could make the donation anonymously with a money order and indicate to Sandy that she should call me and say the money had arrived. I’m suprised you reacted to my last post-I was complimenting you on your choice of chairty and saying I would keep my word-which I will-Just show Sandy the money.

It was a joke, Norm! I will be going over shortly. I will ask her to notify Mr. Mink at that time. Since this page will disappear shortly, I will post it in the Ike Turner, et al page, or else the newest story. I am not doing it by money order, the IRS wants to see your cancelled check.

Check was delivered yesterday–awaiting Mink confirmation

So, where’s the beef?

If you read the script of her interview and think we misunderstood, please think again…

May 7, 2008
Schlafly Reiterates View That Married Women Cannot Be Raped By Husbands
Last year, Phyllis Schlafly spoke on the campus of Bates College where , among other things, she “belittled the feminist movement as ‘teaching women to be victims,’ decried intellectual men as ‘liberal slobs’ and argued that feminism “is incompatible with marriage and motherhood.” She then went on to top herself by claiming that a married woman cannot be sexually assaulted by her husband, saying:
“By getting married, the woman has consented to sex, and I don’t think you can call it rape.”
Needless to say, those views caused a bit of controversy … controversy that has now reemerged at Washington University in St. Louis when school officials decided to honor Schlafly with an honorary doctorate:
Washington University’s decision to bestow an honorary degree on conservative political activist and author Phyllis Schlafly has stirred outrage among some students and faculty.
Opponents of Schlafly’s honorary doctorate formed a group on the social-networking website Facebook and had 1,023 members as of Monday evening.
Apparently the students don’t think that Washington University should be honoring an immigrant-hating, UN-detesting, evolution-fighting, court-stripping, conspiracy-theorist anti-feminist hypocrite who blames the Virginia Tech massacre on the English Department – go figure.
But the university isn’t backing down … and neither is Schlafly, who granted an interview to a Washington University student newspaper where she complained that the protesting students have “too much extra time” on their hands and reiterated her view that wives cannot be raped by their husbands:
Could you clarify some of the statements that you made in Maine last year about martial rape?
I think that when you get married you have consented to sex. That’s what marriage is all about, I don’t know if maybe these girls missed sex ed. That doesn’t mean the husband can beat you up, we have plenty of laws against assault and battery. If there is any violence or mistreatment that can be dealt with by criminal prosecution, by divorce or in various ways. When it gets down to calling it rape though, it isn’t rape, it’s a he said-she said where it’s just too easy to lie about it.
Was the way in which your statement was portrayed correct?
Yes. Feminists, if they get tired of a husband or if they want to fight over child custody, they can make an accusation of marital rape and they want that to be there, available to them.
So you see this as more of a tool used by people to get out of marriages than as legitimate-
Yes, I certainly do.