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05.16.2008 9:54 am

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President George W. Bush made a veiled reference to Barack Obama while in Israel yesterday, setting  off a political firestorm back in the states. Bush said that people seeking talks with Iran and radical Islamic groups are like those who sought to appease Nazi Germany in the 1930s.

Obama  said, “George Bush knows that I have never supported engagement with terrorists, and the President’s extraordinary politicization of foreign policy and the politics of fear do nothing to secure the American people or our stalwart ally Israel.” (From the Washington Post story.)

Read the NYTimes story here.

What do you think?

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I heard Bush’s speech, and I thought it was aimed squarely at Jimmy Carter, not the Obamessiah.

Methinks B. Hussein Obama “doth protest too much”.

— DJ
10:56 am May 16th, 2008

That Obama is every bit the equivocating, old-style politician he pretends not to be. While the Clinton’s were rarely challenged by a sympathetic media about lies they told throughout the 90’s and during the current campaigns, that strategy is not nearly as effective in 2008.

I think Obama gambled on riding a wave of empty rhetoric parroted by a credulous, fawning media all the way to the Whitehouse. This latest incident is just one more example of how he doesn’t understand the power of the internet and alternate media. It took bloggers and reporters all of five minutes to show he’s flat out lying about this.

— Go_Fish
11:03 am May 16th, 2008

Whatever is George Bush going to do during this election? I would guess that McCain would prefer he stay in the White House, remain quiet, and try not to stir up too much trouble. Based on this statement I would guess that he is going to want to attempt to save his legacy and will be saying all sorts of interesting things….

— PurpleDude
11:53 am May 16th, 2008

1. The willingness to talk to officials of governments is not the same as appeasing or accepting them. Mohandas Gandhi sat across the table in South Africa with the man most responsible for establishing the Apartheid laws. He negotiated with the man, but never gave an inch on his principles. Although Gandhi was not successful at that time, one of his followers who was inspired by his stance was — Nelson Mandela.

2. The Bush Administration has made a lot of hoopla about their “decisiveness” and “toughness” and look where it has gotten us. In North Korea it has gotten us to the point we were at when Bush first was elected. With Iran the situation has even gotten worse. Then there are the wonderful successes with Russia and Iraq.

3. Lastly, Bush’s “Nazi” comment before the Knesset will probably backfire on him.

— RHarnack
12:47 pm May 16th, 2008

Is it possible the speech was directed at those that want to pacify, HAMAS and their ilk? I, too, thought it was a general statement regarding those around the world wanting to appease Iran — Jimmy Carter, the UN and others like that. Maybe it was a veiled shot at Obama — but I don’t think so. And although I am not a big fan of W., he’s certainly taken his fair of direct shots — so to have Obama and hs supporters get so upset by such a simple thing certainly says something about the thickness of his skin.

— GTB
1:03 pm May 16th, 2008

“The willingness to talk to officials of governments is not the same as appeasing or accepting them.”

It is when your adversary laughs behind your back and goes right on doing what you don’t want them to do. Which is exactly what Iran and Syria do the minute a delegation of congressional Democrats and candidate’s staff leave the room. (What are they talking about anyway? They never release the details.) Carter is only one of the most egregious examples. He’d barely left Gaza before Hamas spokesmen directly contradicted his claims they were willing to talk with Israel. Bush’s reminder of American and European’s suicidally naive willingness to believe Hitler’s promises of peace couldn’t have been more appropriate.

Obama said in no uncertain terms during the Iowa debates he would conduct direct, conditionless talks with our enemies. His campaign’s website still says this today. About what exactly, he doesn’t say. I’d bet they’re more than willing to host him as often as he likes.

If Obama wants to insult everyone’s intelligence yet again by claiming he didn’t mean what everyone else clearly understood him to mean, then he should do us all a favor and dump the Candidate of Hopyness and Changitude(TM) act.

— Go_Fish
2:35 pm May 16th, 2008

I have for years observed a distinct similarity in the political positions and the resulting problems experienced by George W. Bush and by Winston Churchill, mostly before other alleged LEADERS of England finally realized that they couldn’t appease Adolph Hitler and that wearing swastika-styled jewelry wasn’t that great an idea.

That is not to say that Bush is in Churchill’s league, or that Churchill had no faults. It is more of a comment on the gross ignorance of those who faulted Churchill 70 years ago and those who fault George W. Bush now. History will tell.

— Robert H
4:10 pm May 16th, 2008

I find it ridiculous that anyone - left, right or center - thinks that talking to our enemies is a poor idea. Opening a dialogue is not a promise of appeasement, and can ultimately save lives and bring a peaceful solution to a tense situation.

— The_Unity
6:52 pm May 16th, 2008

Yes, the willingness to talk with someone is not the same as appeasing/giving into them.

If they choose to ignore the proffered hand of sincere negotiation anbd discussion, that is their problem. It does not mean the person making the gesture is ignorant of their lack of sincerity.

However, someone has to make the offer.

The appeasement of Hitler lay in saying it was okay for him to take the Sudetenland and then Poland in the vain hope that this would be all he wanted. That was an idiotic mistake. It was not the result of diplomatic discussion and negotiation earlier. If you really want to go down this road, be prepared to discuss the Treaty of Versailles and the effect on the German economy prior to the world wide depression of the 1930’s.

The hope of someone like President Carter in sitting down with declared enemies is that the effort will pan out. It is not his fault that Hamas is a snakepit of hatred. However, his belief is a fundamental Christian one, that hatred and fear can only be met with trust and love. Not very realistic, I admit, but it does mean something to some people.

Senator Obama is saying he would not have preset conditions on talks is approximately the same as when President Bush saying that he will leave no option off the table when “defending” America, up to and including use of nukes. The intent is different, but the spirit is the same.

— RHarnack
9:12 pm May 16th, 2008

I’m surprised at readers who just can’t recognize dirty politics. It has long been a rule at the highest levels of US government that federal officals do not engage in partisan political sniping from foreign shores. To contrive, unsuccessfully, to blame Obama for Bush’s stupid potshot or to say, “Well, goolllee, I thought he was talking about Jimmy Carter,” shows that many of your writers are not ready for prime-time political discourse.

cheers, everybody

— John Terree
1:01 pm May 17th, 2008

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