Bush, Cheney did things ‘their way’
History will be kind to me, for I intend to write it.
— Winston Churchill
In fact, he wrote 74 books. George W. Bush and Dick Cheney may wind up writing a couple themselves, but the president and the vice president have approval ratings in the high 20s, and neither is known for Churchhillian prose, much less candor and publishers aren’t lining up.
Still, they’ve been busy in recent days trying to put the best spin possible on the last eight years in a series of exit interviews and speeches. Think of Frank Sinatra singing “My Way”: It always was about protecting and promoting freedom, and while mistakes might have been made, if they had it to do over again, they would.
They see an America that has been free of terrorist attacks since 9/11, an America that leads a 90-nation coalition against terrorism, a nation protected by a swifter, more tech-savvy military. They achieved this by restoring the rightful constitutional prerogatives of the president, by cutting taxes to reinvigorate an economy brought to its knees by two wars against terrorists, an economy that has buckled, albeit temporarily, under the strain of trying to provide freedom for too many people at home and abroad.
In the charitable spirit of the season, we will say only that that’s one way to look at it.
“Any regrets?” ABC’s Charles Gibson asked Mr. Bush.
“I don’t know — the biggest regret of all the presidency has to have been the intelligence failure in Iraq. . . . And, you know, that’s not a do-over, but I wish the intelligence had been different, I guess.”
Not a word there about tailoring intelligence to order within the Pentagon. Not a word about ignoring Richard Clarke, the White House anti-terorrism adviser, when he said — three times — that Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11.
Those pesky intelligence problems have been addressed, Mr. Bush told an audience at the Army War College on Dec. 17. “We’ll leave behind a revamped intelligence community that has new tools for staying one step ahead of our enemies,” he said, citing programs to “interrogate key terrorist leaders” and “monitor terrorist communications around the world.”
Plus, the president said, the U.S. military is now “more mobile and more agile, and better positioned now to deploy to trouble spots around the world.”
Not a word about illegal eavesdropping, torture, Guantanamo, denial of habeas corpus or the fact that the men and materiel of the newly-mobile military are so burned out from six years of fighting in
Afghanistan and Iraq that it will take years to bring them back to full combat readiness.
Nothing there about having ceded the moral high ground, the loss of U.S. prestige overseas or the fact that one of our key allies — Pakistan — may be impeding the fight against al-Qaida and the still-fruitless search for Osama bin Laden.
Appropriately, it was Mr. Cheney who identified the administration’s signal achievement. In an interview with Chris Wallace on (of course) Fox News last Sunday, Mr. Cheney said, “We have exercised, I think, the legitimate authority of the president under Article 2 of the Constitution as commander in chief in order to put in place policies and programs that have successfully defended the nation.”
This means “you’re fully justified in setting up a terror surveillance program” and installing “a robust interrogation program with respect to high-value detainees.”
You can call it “torture”; they call it a “robust interrogation program.” You can call it “warrantless eavesdropping”; they call it “terrorist surveillance.”
The question is what history will call it.
Mr. Bush is fond of the Harry Truman precedent: a president who was deeply unpopular when he left office, but whose reputation has been burnished by history. As Mr. Bush put it, characteristically, in an interview with a reporter for the German newspaper Bild in May 2006: “You never know what your history is going to be until long after you’re gone.”



Bush and Cheney are blind in their own ambition. Cheney appointed himself as VP after being asked to search for one. He saw himself as the real president with GW as a saw dust brained puppet so he could do things undercover. He is a “Rumsfield man” as he said so he was solely responsible for all of the mistakes in the Iraq war. He said we would be greeted as liberators and that “several hundred soldiers needed after overtaking Iraq was way off the mark” was all Cheney’s belief and policies. Cheney was the most powerful force in the “Bush” administration and all Americans were the “fall guys” in blood, money and economically while Cheney fattened his pocket book. Cheney rationalizes everything and has the arrogance of Benito Musolini. Cheney’s character is reflected in his demeanor and his health problems…his crooked side-glancing smile, his heart problems for his conscience eating away at his heart for all the wrong he has done in his political life. The problem is that we, the American people and the people of the world have suffered because of this fiend.
Gosh, imagine that, another hate Bush attack piece from (OF COURSE) the St. Louis Post-Dispatch. Here is another view from the UK:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/personal-view/3965454/George-W-Bush-winning-the-war-on-terror.html
Only three weeks left for you guys to find some new material that is if the PD is still in business.
From posted link–”Director of the Margaret Thatcher Centre for Freedom at the Heritage Foundation in Washington, DC.”
Real objective source. I was once told that opinions, by their nature, can not be wrong. They can however be stupid and blind…like this one.
These two–Cheney especially–can “spin” and try to re-write history until their little black hearts are content, but facts are facts:
1) Their “bad intel” led us into a costly and unjust war that has cost us BILLIONS of dollars and more importantly the loss of human lives.
2) Their policies dealing with terrorism have been over-reaching and have created MORE hatred towards the US than at any other time in history. Our “bullying” has caused others countries-including some allies–to distrust and lose respect for us.
3) They contributed significantly to the divisions within this country by demonstrating contempt for a) journalists who had the “audacity” to hold them accountable and ask them pertinent questions and b) US citizens who are opposed to their tyranny with respect to the Iraq War and their domestic warrantless wiretaps and other civil liberty violations.
4) They were so consumed with their insane war that they dropped the ball on our economy–and while they personally are not responsible for it, again, their incompetence and apathy towards REAL problems made matters worse. Cheney is a war profiteer and Bush is the dark side of Forrest Gump…intellectually retarded and emotionally stunted (unlike Gump, he lacks decency and the ability to empathize).
In short, they will surely be viewed as one of the worst administrations in history-and their cast of thugs, lackeys, and idealogues are just as hideous: Gonzales, Rumsfeld, Monica Godling, Harriet Miers, ad nauseum.
What a smorgasboard of douchbags all around.
Gosh, imagine that, another hate Bush attack piece from (OF COURSE) the St. Louis Post-Dispatch. Here is another view from the UK:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/personal-view/3965454/George-W-Bush-winning-the-war-on-terror.html
Only three weeks left for you guys to find some new material that is if the PD is still in business.
— A CENTRIST
WOW–you must be part of the 14% that think the country was headed in the right direction under Bush–gosh–I never believed that stat and thought it was too high…but you certainly do embody the worldview behind it.
Why is it that ANY piece that questions Bush’s actions is a “smear?” Could it be that YOU are also an idealogue who doesn’t let facts and overwhelming public opinion color your reasoning?
Crawl back in your spider-hole and keep drinking the Bush Kool-Aid.
Once again the PD steps up and peddles govt misinformation and propaganda. Typical. Bush and Cheney are NWO, CFO, AIPAC and every other negative group. They ruined the United States by design. The last four Presidencies have been for the benefit of the rich in order to completely wipe out the middle class and it’s almost complete. Freedom is a crock of sh$@. There is no freedom fighting from the military/industrial complex. Only a series of enrichment opportunities by killing civilans in far flung parts of the globe. Since Bush and Cheney won’t be tried, convicted and executed as they deserve, we Christians have to hope that there is a hell so they can spend eternity there!
I don’t know what is more insulting, the article itself or the fact the entire editorial staff can’t seem refer to “Mr. Busch” as President Bush and “MR. Cheney” as Vice President Cheney. What would any of you done differently that President Bush after 911? As far as this comment:
“YOU are also an idealogue who doesn’t let facts and overwhelming public opinion color your reasoning” You just described the entire congress.
Happy New Year!!!
Edie, you hit it on the head. Cheney being the sneaky money monger and Bush being the silly little puppet of cheney and his father.
I deeply regret voting for these self-centered elitist, and their bosses - the owners of the federal reserve.
“What a smorgasboard of douchbags all around.”
Is there no end to this unimaginative ax grinding?
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> the president and the vice president have approval ratings in the high 20s
President Bush has done a lousy job in many ways, and a low approval rating is to be expected. But let’s consider the latest numbers from pollingreport.com:
Presidential job approval: 27%
Congress job approval: 20%
Bush is leaving in a few weeks. All the leaders who earned that 20% approval rating will be there for the next two years. Perhaps you could take a few minutes away from scrutinizing Blunt’s emails to figure out why America hates Reid, Pelosi, & Co. even more than Bush.
“What a smorgasboard of douchbags all around.”
Is there no end to this unimaginative ax grinding?
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Interesting that you conveniently IGNORED all the items that were listed before that final comment…how typical to selectively choose what you put forth–do you by chance work for Fox News as a “fact checker?”
LMAO
Only three weeks left for you guys to find some new material that is if the PD is still in business.
Well that would certainly leave a VOID in your sad little life, wouldn’t it? You routinely troll these message boards and drop your little “nuggets of wisdom” for all of us to ooh and aaah over. If this went away, you might actually be forced to DO something with your spare time…other than waste it defending the indefensible and championing buffoons like Dick and Dubya.
Oh wait! You wouldn’t be talking about the same Richard Clarke who failed to get bin Laden during the Clinton Administration which led to 9-11 which gave Cheney an excuse to take out Saddam and liberate its people would you?
http://www.e-thepeople.org/article/30736/view?viewtype
r u kidding me - unlike the dopey kool-aid drinkers on the PD editorial board, I opposed the invasion of Iraq BEFORE we went in. I knew it was a bottomless hell hole then as it is an ungrateful hell hole now. I truly believe that all the Democrats who supported the Iraq war secretly knew this would end up destroying Bush and America in the end and would usher in a Democrat Congress as the media attacked Bush/Cheney for invading Iraq - even though they always fail to mention that we thankfully took out Saddam and his two gross sons and liberated millions of ungrateful Iraqis who have used the occasion to kill one another and show us to be fools.
Looks as though Eddie R. sent word out to all the angry KosKiddies… anything to puff up the web page clicks.
Good business plan. Have another donut.
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> In short, they will surely be viewed as one of the worst administrations
> in history-and their cast of thugs, lackeys, and idealogues are just as
> hideous
Boring and gratuitously unpleasant comments like this are sure to drive away thoughtful readers. I didn’t think this was a place that welcomed posted comments in the form of childish insults.
“They see an America that has been free of terrorist attacks since 9/11, an America that leads a 90-nation coalition against terrorism, a nation protected by a swifter, more tech-savvy military.”
And what does the Post Disgrace “editorial board see differently?
“under the strain of trying to provide freedom for too many people at home and abroad.”
Tell us, oh great and knowledgeable “editorial staff”, how many people should have freedom before we reach that mystery number you use “too many people”.
“I don’t know — the biggest regret of all the presidency has to have been the intelligence failure in Iraq. . . . And, you know, that’s not a do-over, but I wish the intelligence had been different, I guess.”
Not a word there about tailoring intelligence to order within the Pentagon. Not a word about ignoring Richard Clarke, the White House anti-terrorism adviser, when he said — three times — that Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11.”
And not a word from the “editorial board” about every other intelligence agency in the world coming to the same conclusion, the same conclusion that the previous administration had come to, that Iraq had or wanted WMDs. You also fail to mention that from the outset of the war on terror, President Bush made it very clear; it did not start or end with one country or group. Iraq had a long history of supporting terrorism, as well as violating the terms of the cease fire from the previous war. No one except libtard moonbats says Iraq had anything to do with the attacks of September 11, but they were supporters of terrorism.
“Not a word about illegal eavesdropping,”
Illegal according to who? The know it all blowhards at the Post Disgrace “editorial board”?
“torture,”
You mean cutting off heads on camera? Or making them stand for a long time?
“Guantanamo,”
What, exactly, is the Post Disgrace “editorial board’s” idea with dealing with enemies caught on the field of battle?
“denial of habeas corpus”
What American citizen has this been denied to?
“ or the fact that the men and materiel of the newly-mobile military are so burned out from six years of fighting in Afghanistan and Iraq that it will take years to bring them back to full combat readiness.”
But they can still fight! And without interference from libtards, “editorial boards” and congress critters, WIN!
“Nothing there about having ceded the moral high ground,”
How did we lose the high ground to an enemy that blows up buildings, uses suicide bombers as a weapon, basing attacks from civilian houses, hiding amongst civilians, using the mentally disabled as suicide bombers? A more accurate description of what happened is the Lame Stream Media has played the “moral equivalence” card at every turn.
“ the loss of U.S. prestige overseas”
Are you saying it is more prestigious to be attacked than to defend against attacks?
“or the fact that one of our key allies — Pakistan — may be impeding the fight against al-Qaida“
Maybe they are just playing a little game, see who can impede the war on terror more, Pakistan or American libtards.
“and the still-fruitless search for Osama bin Laden.”
He is still dead.
“You can call it “torture”; they call it a “robust interrogation program.” You can call it “warrantless eavesdropping”; they call it “terrorist surveillance.”
And you can call it something else, effective and legal.
They went against the Geneva Convention. I will always hold this against them.
Thank you Post Dispatch for getting this one right. Amazing that the 14% who still think Bush and Cheney are good men still find their way onto these forums. I thought they only tuned in to FOX, Limbaugh, Hannity and all the other fools of this free nation. There is absolutely no fact that can be cited to present Bush and Cheney as anything other than evil, incompetent and contemptuous of any American that questions or differs with them. They live in the wrong century. Medieval Europe would have suited them much better, and with their support from the religious right, Medieval Catholicism is what they tried to revive in this nation. Thank God enough citizens woke up in this last election and reversed this damning trend that they launched. But alas, the 14% still find ways to make noise, silly noise. They have become irrelevant, just like FOX, Limbaugh, Hannity and the religious right.
Hey Kisoff the facts, Americans (unlike you) are a generous people. We can’t help saying Bush is a loser when he so overwhelmingly is a loser. So, we toss in Congress, too!
The problem with Congress is too many Republicans! Every time something good can happen, there’s a filibuster in the US Senate! When we have the likes of Mitch McConnel and his race baiting, union busting Southern cohorts representing the “best” of the GOP, what’s to like?
At the top of the page, above “The Platform”, this snippet from the Pulitzer Platform: “oppose privileged classes and public plunderers….”.
’nuff said.
Well, now that I’ve read a synopsis of the last eight years couched in Bushcheneyspeak… What were Americans thinking when they passed that constitutional amendment limiting a president to two terms? Too bad we can’t re-elect these guys again. I don’t know about history correcting those euphemisms, though. Society still calls debit cards `credit cards’ (so-called `credit cards’ actually put you in debt) and credit cards `debit cards’ (which you can only use if you have money, or `credits,’ in the bank). So who knows what Newspeak atrocities society will allow? I also thought it interesting you mention Frank Sinatra in connection with Bush and Cheney. Even after death, it seems Sinatra can’t help but hang out with criminals.
1-20-09… You forgot to mention that fawning lap dog Rice — our next NFL commissioner.
Still sick of Bush… Nah, BobZZZZZ will call you on information in your post, and ask you to step up and back your claims, but when you do, he just writes back some general dismissal of pap or just slinks away and goes back to sleep. Don’t expect any substantive position from him.
I thought I saw this posted by the Editorial Board:
We HATE Republicans
Editorial Board
We really hate Republicans. We pretend to be objective, but we really just hate them. It doesn’t matter how much good they have done, we have spent every ounce of energy these past 8 years destroying them and wearing them down. Now we get to relish them leaving office and hopefully vanishing out of sight. We really, really hate Republicans. We hate them so much, we elected someone we knew absolutely nothing about. Heck, if a rock ran for the Dems, we would have endorsed it. Heh, heh we even like an idiot like Al Franken.
If you are Republican and are forced to by this lousy paper. Ha ha ha! In your face, stupid Republican. We hate you. Don’t buy this paper, we do not want your money. We will get it another way by funneling tax dollars back to our paper via some illegal scheme.
Get outta here Bush.
Thank you. (The Post Dispatch Editorial Bored)
At least, that is what I believe this board is thinking when they spew out carp like this post.
Think… Quit inhaling your Elmer’s glue. Franken is not an idiot. I once watched him on celebrity ‘Jeopardy.’ The man knows his stuff and he’s obviously highly intelligent. He blew Bob Woodward, Tim Russert (RIP) and the others away, with the exception of Christine Todd Whitman (I will note Woodward did correctly identify the secret source in Watergate as `Deep Throat’ in one category). But don’t forget the ‘pubs’ elected two vapid movie stars and will always have the skeleton of McCarthy hanging over their heads. And speaking of McCarthy, one of those vapid movie stars, Reagan, actually proved himself to be a coward at a time when it mattered most — despite conservatives’ misguided belief he was a brave man. Faced with the challenge to stare down McCarthy and fight his efforts to ruin certain people’s livelihoods and careers, Reagan, as Screen Actors Guild president, tucked his tail between his legs and hid under the kitchen table, no doubt to avoid jeopardizing his own career. As for Obama’s lack of experience, spare me. Sure, Bush had experience before becoming president, but the man failed at everything he laid his hands upon. I’m not sure how that made him the right choice for the job. Obviously he wasn’t, given the carnage of his eight years in office.
“Appropriately, it was Mr. Cheney who identified the administration’s signal achievement. In an interview with Chris Wallace on (of course) Fox News last Sunday….”
The “(of course)” is gratuitous and unnecessarily inflammatory.
What President Bush forgets is why President Truman was unpopular at the time he left office. In the South, it was because of his integrating the military. Across the nation it was because of Korea just 5 years after WWII.
However, the other thing president Bush forgets about President Truman, is that Truman was willing to take responsibility for his decisions, something President Bush has not exhibited too often.
By the way for the pseudo-formalists out there on how to address the President — in person it is Mr. President, in print it is either President Bush, or, Mr. Bush. Both are polite and correct — sorry “Your Royal Excellency” is still reserved for Kings and Queens — not American Presdients and Vice-Presidents.
Think/
Al Franken graduated at the top of his class and was awarded Magna Cum Laude from Harvard. That same year, 1969, Coleman got busted at Woodstock for smoking dope during a 3 day love fest.
You call Frankin an idiot. Where did you finish?
Ah, jeez. — Garrison with the name calling again.
As well as the usual made up BullSht.