We must take action and fight global warming/cap and trade scam with all our might, particularly if there is a chance that such abomination be imposed on us.

Cap and trade represents huge taxes and cost increases, which will hurt mostly the poor and the middle class. Cap and trade will give dictatorial powers to Obama and will further enrich his billionaire friends (Gore, Soros, Goldman Sachs, Obama’s Chicago Climate Exchange friends, GE, etc.) — all at our expense and at the expense of our children and grandchildren.

Cap and Trade “would be the equivalent of an atomic bomb directed at the U.S. economy—all without any scientific justification,” said famed climatologist Dr. S. Fred Singer. It would significantly increase taxes and the cost of energy, forcing many companies to close, thus increasing unemployment, poverty and dependence.

Those brainwashed to the point of wanting to destroy the economy to “prevent global warming” are behaving like the most primitive human beings who were duped into believing that human sacrifices would ensure them good weather. Human beings don’t have the power to control climate! And killing the economy will not help the environment. Poor countries can’t protect the environment. Just look at Haiti!

More and more scientists and thinking people all over the world are realizing that man-made global warming is a hoax that threatens our future and the future of our children. More than 700 international scientists dissent over man-made global warming claims. They are now more than 13 times the number of UN scientists (52) who authored the media-hyped IPCC 2007 Summary for Policymakers. http://www.climatechangefraud.com/content/view/3562/218/

Additionally, more than 30,000 American scientists have signed onto a petition that states, “There is no convincing scientific evidence that human release of carbon dioxide, methane, or other greenhouse gases is causing or will, in the foreseeable future, cause catastrophic heating of the Earth’s atmosphere and disruption of the Earth’s climate.” http://www.petitionproject.org

We pray that honest leaders – both Democrat and Republican - are able to save us from Obama’s criminal global warming/cap-and-trade scam.

It’s funny that so many detect climate change by viewing puny bumps in segments of graphs, yet don’t detect economic climate changes that are pouring over us from every direction, that will surely destroy any hope of a happy future for the children. The wild spending in printing is right there in your face, jumping in orders of magnitude.
http://www.mises.org/markets.asp

Global warming is already occuring. The earth heats up, the earth cools down. It goes in cycles. Al Gore can’t stop it. The PD can’t stop it (the PD can’t even run a newspaper much less control the weather). Nothing is static. Everything is always changing. Eventually the warming will end and the cooling will begin. Man has no say in the matter.

Cap and tax is only the latest strategy used by globalists to ensure the US does not retain its leadership position in the world. This will force millions out of jobs and drive industry to countries which are not falling for it. A fully implemented cap and tax system is estimated to cost midwestern homeowners $4000 a year.

Congrats to the Post, however, for not using the NYT’s new policy of changing “global warming” to “climate change” since global warming isn’t panning out as predicted. It is this kind of dishonest reporting that is causing the media to lose credibility and readers.

Like the rest of the global-warming alarmists, the Post tries to push its agenda by distorting the truth. Contrary to the editorial board’s claim, man-made global warming is far from a proven phenomenon. Those supporting a remaking of the economy in order to shift America away from fossil fuels could at least be honest about the cost and logistical challenges.

With our country already in debt to the tune of 63 trillion dollars, where will the money come from to pay for the massive infrastructure changes in converting the US to some combination of solar, wind, and nuclear power? How many trillions will be spent on unproven technologies that will eventually prove impractical? Will the same advocacy groups who have blocked the construction of nuclear generating plants for the last 4 decades now embrace this non-fossil-fuel energy source? How many tens of thousands of Americans will lose their jobs in the energy sector on the promise that new technologies will offer them alternative employment?

If the Post truly believes in the free market, global energy costs and scarcity will drive innovation and conversion to newer, cleaner sources of electricity and other fuels. In the meantime, development of domestic coal and oil deposits, along with expansion of nuclear power, can provide less dependence on foreign energy sources and prevent shortages and severe cost shocks.

Destroying the current system without a viable alternative to advance a political ideology through a concocted “crisis” is criminal.

- Obama’s Inflation Tsunami is coming
- Social Security remains broken
- The no-tax-increase-if-you-make-less-than-$200,000/yr scheme is unraveling
- Universal Health Care (single-payer plan) with its health rationing is on the horizon
- TARP funds improperly re-directed to prop up UAW employment

In light of these unintended government screw-ups,
what makes the P-D Editors believe Cap-and-Trade
will do anything beyond bringing punishing
energy increases to employers & homeowners.

Something like 30% of electric is used each summer for air conditioning. And air conditioners release all sorts of nasty mean old things into the air that have made that big hole in the ozone that was supposed to have killed us all 15 years ago.

Therefore, let us go back to the days of my youth, when my old man was too cheap to turn on the AC. We can save the world by sitting on the front porch sweating.

Let’s do it for America, and our wonderful Mother Earth.

I’ll turn off my air conditioner just as soon as they turn it off in the White House and the various buildings which house Congress. Of course, that isn’t what will happen. Instead, President Obama and Congress will implement a scheme that will drive up the cost of energy in the United States, which won’t affect them at all since WE pay their electric bills. Meanwhile, as people in China and India move from bicycles and huts to cars and air conditioned apartments, our efforts won’t make any difference.

Scientists believed that the sun rotated around the earth. Scientists believed the earth was flat. Sceintists believed the earth was the center of the universe. Obama believes he has visited most of the 57 states. Scientists believe that man is causing global warming. I see a trend developing here.

I put links in these pieces so you can see what they’re based on. It’s obvious that some of you either don’t follow the links or don’t understand even the simple version of the science, which can be found here: http://www.ipcc.ch/pdf/assessment-report/ar4/syr/ar4_syr_spm.pdf

Specific criticism of the science, anyone?

John G Carlton -

It is also obvious that you don’t understand what the IPCC is, how papers from it are written and verified, etc.

http://townhall.com/columnists/MarkWHendrickson/2009/05/25/a_closer_look_at_climate_change?page=full&comments=true

The only people believing “scientific fact” with no supported science are creationists and the Global Warming crowd.

http://www.sciencebuddies.org/science-fair-projects/project_scientific_method.shtml

Please go to this link and see how the scientific method occurs. Just a little hint here, computer modeling with no substantiated proof does not make science. Painting opposing scientists as archaic because they do not believe your hypothesis dost not make science. Debate and experimentation is part of science. Saying what you will do, hypothsizing what will happen and then getting actual proof is science.

This is not science, this is politics.

Kudos to the P-D. Don’t let the “can’t do it” crowd and trolls get you down.

Folks complaining about the fear mongering over climate change do are active with a pretty big scare campaign. The problem is that the economic, security, business and science communities all agree that this action needs to be taken. A price on the carbon pollution being dumped into our atmosphere is central to taking positive action that will clean our air, create jobs, and buoy our economy.

The disinformation on energy prices out there is shocking—but the scarier numbers come when you look at the cost of inaction; likely 3.6% of GDP and horrific international security issues brought on by limited resources and millions of climate refugees - http://www.nrdc.org/globalwarming/cost/contents.asp

We simply cannot afford to do nothing.

jjk - actually re-read the editorial. The writer did use the new term “climate change” thus inadvertantly admitting that the envirowackos are trying to quietly change the term global warming to climate change without actually admitting it and that Al Gore is not a truthful man who still flies around in his own jet. Talk about someone “playing upon our fears.”
Where is the editorial on global cooling which has been occuring since 1998?
Or what about windfarms killing animals?
http://gatewaypundit.blogspot.com/2009/05/green-death-wind-farm-kills-taiwanese.html
Has the PD EP reported yet that the feds are thinking of imposing a V.A. tax to pay for John’s socialized healthcare?
In fact, where have all the Democrats gone on this blog defending their president now like they did during his media-enhanced election?
Well folks, this is what you voted for.

Easy Choice: Man made emissions do not cause global warming…the sun does.

China and India will not lower anything regardless of who asks.

Gas and coal are the fuel of choice because they are cheap. Taxing them will cause higher costs on everything for everyone.

Those that wish to return to their roots and enjoy the hunter gatherer life style should feel free to do so.

After the cap and trade tax is passed on to the consumer coupled with the VAT tax to pay for lower quality health care we wont be able to afford to drive cars or heat/cool our homes. Our children and grandchildren already bare the burden of this irresponsible unprecedented spending spree. Stop spending and lower taxes.

The same folks shouting economic doom and gloom on this issue said that the cap and trade system set up to end acid rain would destroy industry in the US. It did not. The bill discussed in congress will spur the economy by leveling the energy playing field and send a market signal to create a clean energy industry that will buoy the national economy…

…oh, and it will get us started towards finally dealing with the whole looming climate change problem too…

It’s amazing how the new administration and media are completely ignoring and refusing to debate the vast majority of America that have questions about any climate change regulation & the science itself. It feels very dictatorial and our voice seems quite suppressed in many ways. Most of the truly informed understand and are beginning to realize that we’re being fed baloney in regards to the health of the economy, global warming, our overseas affairs, etc.

I think pollution and our environment are both indeed very important - yet there are so many rational ways in which we can make things better that won’t further degrade our phony economy.

While the President belittles all of ‘those people waving around teabags,’ our country is becoming yet more divisive as it’s either the new way or the highway. The number of Independents in America is rising by the day - being fueled by both sides of the two-headed monster. I wish the President well and hope that he comes around, but I really feel that it’s just more of the same.

You’re not qualified to discuss the science of it.
I’m not qualified to discuss the science of it.

You’re qualified to peddle the unproven Anthropogenic Global Warming theme.
I’m qualified to point out that you’re peddling the hoax.

Have been through this Kabuki dance with you and Eric Mink numerous times.

You’re unable to dispute that the “Hockey Stick Graph” — the foundation on which the United Nations Environmental Program / IPCC rests — has been debunked.

You’re unable to dispute that James Hansen’s work ( he’s the “father” of the Anthropogenic Global Warming hoax ) has been explicitly disavowed by his NASA bosses.

You stick to peddling the nincompoopery.
We’ll continue to, in general terms, tell you what we think of it.

http://tinyurl.com/scientists-opposing-mainstream

Josh -

YEah, acid rain, where is that occuring now, I thought that was supposed to detroy the planet. Also, how about the ozone layer? What about DDT and it’s link to cancer, and silicone breast implants and their link, and electromagnetic fields and their link. All this stuff has been shown to be bunk and/or greatly exaggerated by organizations such as yours. You have zero credibility here.

How much money was wasted hunting down these bogus arguments? How many people died from malaria because of the lack of DDT? How much money will GW cost? Will there be any benefits to what we do, if it does exist?

Science and politics don’t mix. Let’s have some debate and figure out what the truth is, not let some political organization with an agenda define what is true or not. This isn’t communist Russia. Quit shutting down the debate.

Have a little patience, folks. Iran and North Korea will soon offset global warming with nuclear winter.

Meanwhile:
The U.S. taxpayers and consumers have not cured world poverty or famine by throwing money at the International Monetary Fund or World Bank. We have not cured war or terrorist acts by throwing money at the United Nations. We have not cured trade inequities by throwing favors and money at our trading partners.

And guess what:
We will not cure climate change by throwing money at underdeveloped nations or by sacrificing our living standards on the global warming altar.

Antonio - maybe you could get a job with the PD Editorial Page. They are sorely in need of a guest writer that doesn’t have their head up Obama’s, well you know what goes here.
I am beginning to wonder if all those lefty-loon posters during the election weren’t actually ACORN plants. Where have all the ACORNies gone?

bman—

You don’t see acid rain now in the US because there was an aggressive regulatory effort that stamped out the issue through limitations on sulfur emissions. Not unlike, though at a smaller scale, than what is being discussed with greenhouse gases. The solution worked, had minimal impacts on industry, and did not affect utility bills.

We do not have a problem with acid rain now. Canada certainly does…

In response to Your Not Qualified’s post: science in this country is debated in credible peer-reviewed scientific journals. To date, I am not aware of any articles published in a peer-reviewed scientific journal that challenges global warming.

I am in favor of global warming. I’d like to grow a garden the year around. If people cause it, do more to created it faster. Unfortunately there is not one shred of proof anywhere in the world that shows mankind has any effect on the temperature of the EARTH. If you know of a shred of proof, post it here. I will destroy it in a new York Minute.

Fact, if government grants to “study” the non-problem ceased, the problem would disappear.

Next someone will want a study to see if we need to put a thermostat on the Sun. Indeed that would solve the non problem.

Note to the PD. I was off topic, and had to be. To address that ridiculous editorial is not possible. You didn’t post enough truth in it to even qualify it as propaganda. You need to brush up your skills. I recommend the writings of Joseph Gobbles, so you have a better understanding of how to write more believable propaganda. The editorial was a complete bust.

Josh -

http://www.heartland.org/policybot/results/23697/Still_More_PeerReviewed_Studies_Contradict_Global_Warming_Alarmism.html

Regarding Peer reviews and the ipcc
http://epw.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=Minority.Blogs&ContentRecord_id=2158072E-802A-23AD-45F0-274616DB87E6

My original link:
“Clearly, the IPCC does not speak as one voice when leading scientists on its panel contradict its official position. The solution to this apparent riddle lies in the structure of the IPCC itself. What the media report are the policymakers’ summaries, not the far lengthier reports prepared by scientists. The policymakers’ summaries are produced by a committee of 51 government appointees, many of whom are not scientists.

The policymakers’ summaries are presented as the “consensus” of 2,500 scientists who have contributed input to the IPCC’s scientific reports. “Consensus” does NOT mean that all of the scientists endorse the policymakers’ summaries. In fact, some of the 2,500 scientists have resigned in protest against those summaries. Other contributing scientists, such as the individuals quoted above, publicly contradict the assertions of the policymakers’ summaries. ”

http://www.nzcpr.com/guest147.htm
http://sciencepolicy.colorado.edu/prometheus/purists-who-demand-that-facts-be-correct-5309
http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2009/01/global_warmmongering_more_silk.html

It is alarming the extent that politicians have taken this over. Might it be occuring? perhaps. But there is no documented evidence yet. How about we spend that money fighting malaria or providing 3rd world countries clean water. One cannot guarantee that GW will kill anyone, but we are sure that malaria and poor water will kill millions over the next 10 years.

Josh the real problem here is that groups such as yours don’t question anything that supports your preconceived notions and that is just wrong.

My Turn -

Since so much of the GW “science” to this point uses computer models to map future conditions. Please provide to me the links to studies that have used computer models to predict GW and have had those models accurately predict the future. Hint: You aren’t going to find them.

Oh look everybody. If we don’t do something about Global Cooling/Warming/Change ™ now, we’re going to “overwhelmed with debt”.

Please.

In case you didn’t notice, we’re overwhelmed to the tune of almost $2 TRILLION a year already. This exercise in governmental stupidity ain’t gonna help.

The global warming hoax and cap and trade scams will go down in history as the worst public policy disasters since the inception of the Socialist welfare state.

Josh: Where in Canada do they suffer from “acid rain”? I go up for meetings four or 5 times a year and I haven’t seen any. I have never seen any in Southern Illinois.

Now to the evils of chemicals. How about the “loony scientists” who put MTBE in gasoline to “purify” the ambient air? Did it work? Nope. What did it do? It “poisoned” the groundwater in 32 states. It made ghost towns in some western states that relied on ground water for survival.

For you who are concerned about “greenhouse gases”, did you know that some 95 percent of kitchens in your homes have more undesirable gases and pollutants than the outside ambient air. When is the last time you had your home tested for Radon, one of the most carcinogenic gases known to man, woman, or transvestite?

Whatever happened to taking responsibility for one’s own welfare and not relying on the government to keep you safe. Government has a 200 year history of failing to protect you. Name one family the government has protected against radon. You can’t.

Oh johnh, certainly you realize that you as an individual is insignificant. It is the collective that is important. This editorial board is part of the collective. They cannot think for themselves, but know what is best for you. Soon, they will develop a prenatal test to determine if a child will be part of the collective or not. This test will determine the potential intelligence. If the baby is going to be smart, it will be aborted and the mother will be brainwashed into thinking she chose that course of action. Only the stupid will survive. And the first words they will speak are “Hail Obama”.

There are more areas where we could address CO2 pollution. I think Al Gore would be proud of this list:

* Ban carbonated beverages. Science has shown that the sound waves from the fizz are disrupting reproductive abilities of bees, but the tons of CO2 emitted from these beverages has risen global temperatures 0.001 degrees C.
* Tax exercise. When people work out, the expell more of that deadly gas. An implant will be required for all people and it will send back to the IRS data on physical activity.
* Mandatory reforestation at all public buildings. No more White House lawn. That green space must be planted with nice CO2 munching trees. Non-essential government buildings will be razed to make way for the new national forest.
* Mandatory termination of life for anyone who has a terminal illness. Saving the planet is much more important than allowing grandma to live our her last few days. Diseases where it is more likey that you will die than survive will result in immediate termination. This also has a nice benefit of reducing healthcare costs.

Hail Obama

When, Oh when are we going to put a stop to this ‘global warming’ hoax. If anyone thinks that Bernie Madoff, the Wall Street crook, pulled off the biggest scam in history, they have not taken a look at the Al Gore/liberal/social engineering crowd’s scheme on environment ‘control’. For the sake of our way of life, our children, and all that is held dear….call, write, vote…….scream this scam to a STOP.

I see the nut ball naysayers are out in force.
100% same nut balls that have been anti-Obama since the campaign.
.
Climate change is not fiction, no matter how many nonscientific statements are written by morons like the naysayers here.
That most of the previous posters don’t believe it’s true doesn’t effect climate change one iota.
It just keeps getting worse.
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Hey nut balls, keep your head in the sand, while the doers and visionaries of this world save earth and you.
We finally have a president and congress that, along with the rest of the world, are going to tackle this life threatening problem.