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11.03.2009 1:05 pm

Car and Driver secret shopper stings area service-contract brokers

St. Louis Post-Dispatch
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Extended auto-service contracts probably aren’t worth the money, according to a story in the December issue of Car and Driver.

The magazine conducted a secret-shopper sting on St. Charles County’s three biggest brokers of so-called extended warranties: Wentzille-based US Fidelis; St. Peters-based National Dealers Warranty, which does business as StopRepairBills.com; and St. Charles-based Mogi.

Outside of car dealerships, those firms and the 30 or so other service-contract brokers based in the St. Louis area are believed to sell most of the nation’s aftermarket vehicle protection plans. (You can learn more about those companies by visiting the Post-Dispatch’s online map of area service-contract brokers. Click on a company for more information, including archived stories and blog posts.)

The Car and Driver story — written by Steven Cole Smith, automotive editor of the Orlando Sentinel –  relies heavily on the St. Louis Better Business Bureau, which has waged a national crusade against service-contract brokers based here. Loyal Post-Dispatch readers won’t learn much new from the article, but a secret-shopper sidebar makes for interesting reading.

Smith called the three companies pretending to be a consumer interested in buying a service contract for 2002 Ford F-150 pickup with about 22,000 miles. Here’s what the companies told the secret shopper:

  • Mogi tried to sell Smith a $2,650 service contract, but wouldn’t tell the undercover reporter how long the coverage lasts. Smith wrote the plan “requires a waiting period of 30 days and 1000 miles - not either/or but both - before I can file a claim.”
  • In a pitch for a $2,449 service contract, a US Fidelis salesman may have used two deceptive sales tactics on Smith that former employees say are common.  They’ve told the Post-Dispatch that they were instructed to put consumers on hold under the pretense of getting approval from a sales manager, even though no such conversation takes place, and to warn consumers that a quoted price is good for one day only, even if that’s not the case.
  • After warning Smith that the mileage on the truck is alarmingly low, a National Dealers Warranty salesman tried to push Smith into buying a non-refundable protection plan tied to the purchase of a vehicle additive. In an Aug. 30 Post-Dispatch story about these plans, Michael Carter, NDW’s general counsel and spokesman, defended additive-based protection plans as ideal for high-mileage vehicles.

Reprinted here, with the magazine’s permission, is the sidebar from Car and Driver, December 2009:

WHAT HAPPENED WHEN WE CALLED

We contacted Mogi, US Fidelis, and StopRepairBills.com to inquire about a service policy on a 2002 Ford F-150 pickup truck with about 22,000 miles on the odo. (The truck exists.)

MOGI: Liz answers and takes some information - including a “phone number in case we get cut off”- and after four minutes, we do get cut off. Eighty minutes later, a Mogi salesman named Paul calls and says that when Liz tried to transfer my call, they were too busy to take it. He says the truck qualifies for a “Silver policy,” but he never reveals the length of it. Whatever it is, he says the policy is $2650, has a $100 deductible, and requires a waiting period of 30 days and 1000 miles - not either/or but both - before I can file a claim. Paul gives up when I insist I need to sleep on it.

US FIDELIS: Ricky answers, says the call may be recorded, takes down info, then recommends a four-year, 125,000-mile policy for $3049. I tell him I want to think about it overnight, but he pushes for me to sign up now. He says NASCAR great Rust Wallace is a spokesman, and that “he would not put his name on a product that wasn’t legit.” After eight minutes of selling, he puts me on hold. Two minutes later, Ricky is back, and even though the truck is “extremely high risk,” his manager has approved a $600 price cut, to $2449. If I wait until tomorrow, “all discounts will be null and void,” Ricky warns, and I will have to get a notarized statement on the odometer reading and have a Ford dealer perform a diagnostic check on the truck, both of which will be waived if I sign up today, but only today. After 14 minutes in all, Ricky gives up.

STOPREPAIRBILLS.COM: Joe answers, takes down the VIN of the truck, and asks me how many miles are on it. He is distressed to learn it has 22,000 or so. His grave concern is that low-mileage vehicles that are not driven much can develop “rust” and other problems that make them “absolutely” less reliable than higher-mileage vehicles. After three minutes, I’m on hold while he consults a manager to see if the truck even qualifies for a policy, due to the low mileage. A minute later, I’m offered a policy called “The Choice,” for five years and 100,000 miles. The down payment is $295, and payments are $44 a month for 18 months, for a total of $1087. Joe is upset when he hears I want to think it over because he is worried the truck will break down and I will have to pay for a new engine ($3500, he says), transmission ($2500), or water pump ($800 to $1000). He lowers the price to $195 down and $39 a month, then gives up after a pitch that lasts 13 minutes.

If you click on “The Choice” on StopRepairBills.com, you get a website for The Choice (the-choice.net). The site appears to be a combination of service-contract information and an ad for an additive called The Choice, which claims to make your engine run 10-to-15 degrees cooler if you pour it into your radiator overflow reservoir.

According to an article in the St. Louis Post-Dispatch, this “additive” warranty is one of the more controversial sales methods the service-contract companies use: You are not buying a service policy, you are buying an additive that comes with a warranty that covers everything the typical service contract does. The advantage to the company? “First,” the story says, “the consumer is buying a product, not a contract. Second, the consumer is entitled to a refund if the service contract is cancelled early. That’s not the case with a product warranty.” Joe, the StopRepairBills.com salesman, did not mention this distinction. One source told the newspaper that this sort of product was developed to avoid California regulations that allowed only auto dealers to sell service contracts. “It’s our most popular product in California,” spokesman Carter says.

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17 comments

I would have never knew that extended warranties are a rip-off without this article. Thank you!

Not!!!

People that buy extended warranties are suckers and those that sell them are scammers. Both losers that deserve each other…..

— Amazedbythelunacy
1:56 pm November 3rd, 2009

If good old boy Rusty Wallace says it’s true,than it must be true!!!LOL

— Steve M.
2:11 pm November 3rd, 2009

I own a 2008 Silverado their cost for the same thing is $90 a month. The truck has 4800 miles on it, I did’nt buy theirs either.

— top gun
2:31 pm November 3rd, 2009

With all the negative press these rip-off artists have been getting lately, is anyone surprised by the content of these phone calls? Is anyone buying these service contracts still? If so, they must live in a cave. A paranoia cave.

I highly doubt anyone into cars enough to be reading Car & Driver is unaware of these cruddy scam false coverage companies. They should have published this in the large print Reader’s Digest, or maybe distributed it in an AARP pamphlet.

— b
2:37 pm November 3rd, 2009

i have heard comments from both sides lots but i bought a contract from MOGI and i have used it twice already. my mechanic at auto tire accepted it i had a 100 dollar deductible and i got my transmission repaired ( not replaced) and i had a window stop working . it was repaired as well at the same time. i am still making payments on it but it was alot easier than paying a big bill at once. i think that is the idea . its not that it fixes everything for free but rather it allows you to plan ahead and work any future repairs into your budget.the other time i used it it didnt cover all of my problems with the radiater but it fixed SOME of it and took the biggest portion of the bill off. either way i had money left over that week for other stuff and i cant honestly say that All of these extended service contracts are a rip off or a scam. b.t.w. i wouldnt consider myself a sucker. call any shop around the are and ask what the cost for hourly labor is. that is what made my decision to go through with this. sure it took me saying no a few times to get the lowest price possible but they will work with you if you ask.

— shane
3:28 pm November 3rd, 2009

Shane must work for them AND live in a cave.

— fishintheseam
4:18 pm November 3rd, 2009

I am sure Shane works for one of those companies too. I have never heard a positive thing about these companies. You are far better to keep your money and go to a trusted mechanic if you have issues with your car then lose your money to these companies.

— Jim
4:35 pm November 3rd, 2009

i imagine i do live in a cave sometimes. one without uninformed closed minded individuals. all of these companies you speak of use the same administrators that most dealerships use for their extended ”warranties”. how can a broker get a bad rep with admin companies that have been in buisines for 24 + years and have an a rating with the better buisiness bureau ? what is geicos bbb rating? how bout mc donalds or wal-mart? i dont work for any of these companies. i have a family member that does though and that is why i went through with it.

— shane
4:49 pm November 3rd, 2009

If these companies weren’t scammers, they wouldn’t violate telemarketing regulations like calling cell phones and people on the do-not-call lists, they wouldn’t pretend to have information about people’s warranty status, etc. They’re crooked from top to bottom and should be closed down.

— Stump
5:13 pm November 3rd, 2009

This article is full of it. It’s the news. They aren’t going to do an article on how great an extended warranty is. If they did, people like you and me wouldn’t read them. I do agree that the product warranty is crap. That should be taken off the market. Their is a lot of brokers out their trying to make a differents in the industry. How many times have you read an article about how much money All State has paid out in claims? Never, but you have probably have heard about them getting sued, right? People need to know what they are buying and don’t let someone else tell them what to buy. If they do then you need more self confidents. Extended warranties save people of a lot of money ever year. If they didn’t people wouldn’t buy them over and over again. That would make sense.

— John
8:18 pm November 3rd, 2009

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