I think the problem with the Brewers is that as a young team they don’t know how to handle success. As for Villenueva he is a journeyman over the hill pitcher. Ned Yost managed a disaster last year and unless he tightens the reins they willl inplode again.

Villy is young he’ll learn. He hasn’t been in too many situations like that, especially in a pennant race in meaningful games like last nights.

But c’mon… Pujols opened his mouth first, villy just punched his fist into his glove.

Pujols basically taking a seat and popping a beer for 30 minutes before finally rounding the bases after a homerun vs a pitcher punching his fist into his glove and letting out a yell.

And on a competition of class… villy punching his fist into his glove and our players untucking their shirts OR your pitcher throwing at brauns ribs after returning from a rib injury + molina getting tossed, then leaving all his gear at home plate before walking off the field, molina yelling at braun after braun strikes out, you guys throwing at fielder at the end of last season (this one can be evened out when we threw at pujols)

but c’mon guys, you’re not helping your case at all by calling brewers classless.

Yep, Villanueva is a journeyman alright. A 24 yr old in only his second full year in the majors. Nice baseball knowledge. The Cards can keep crying all the way through October when they are sitting at home watching their two rivals in the playoffs. I used to think Pujols was a player worthy of respect, but he is just whiney chump. Pujols is also right, this won’t be forgotten and I hope Yost is the first one to bring this back to memory next year.

Without denying the hard feelings between these two teams, isn’t it likely that the Cardinals’ reaction to the Brewers last night was also a bit of “strategery”? Ned Yost’s team, this year and last, has demonstrated a persistent, collective inability to resist taking bait or to rise above pettiness in order to win ballgames. After being shut out for 15 innings, I’m sure Pujols and the Cards were ready to try anything at all to shake themselves out of their torpor, and to try to rattle the Brewers into prioritizing the grudge over the game. Whether the 8th inning was evidence that it worked, or simply an overdue but coincidental burst of offense, is for the bloggers to hash out!

Well, I will say it’s a lot easier to stomach sophomoric (in baseball terms) behavior when you aren’t getting the snot beat out of you, so Mr. Haudricourt has that in his corner.

I always thought the fun in baseball was in the winning. The Brewers are finally doing that–isn’t that enough? Sounds like Mr. Haudricourt is making excuses.

I’d like to know exactly what gestures Villanueva made toward the Cardinal dugout. I think I have an idea, but I’d like it confirmed.

why don’t the brewers wait till they get in the locker room to untuck their shirts? you can say what you want about it being a fun filled antic. it’s disrespectful. i hope the cubs don’t give the brewers the chance to to untuck.

It looks like Villenueva did more than punch his fist into his glove after the foul-out. He raised both hands up toward the Cardinal dugout in celebration and yelled.

So, saying Pujols opened his mouth first is not accurate. Make of Villenueva’s actions what you will, (I think it could be roughly translated as “in your face”) but those are the facts.

When Pujols hits a home run and admires it, he doesn’t say a word. He doesn’t yell at the other dugout or point at the pitcher. That’s considered classless. And that’s why Pujols was angry. Apples to apples, guys.

This whole Cardinals/Brewers thing reminds me of that one little kid who misbehaves and then points a finger at another kid’s actions to justify it. So it’s okay for Villenueva to curse at and antagonize the opposing team because Pujols steps back and watches a homerun flies out of the park. What? Grow up and accept responsibility that your team member acted like a bonehead. I deal with 5 year olds who have a better grip on logic.

I think both teams have been wrong at times. What I find surprising is the lack of objectivity in the Haudricourt piece. His concessions can hardly be considered concessions, and his explanations can’t really be given too much credence either. So the Brewers pull out their jerseys for a good reason, fine. Has anyone outside of the Brewers family heard of this before? I like to think of myself as an educated baseball fan and I have never heard of it. That being the case, how are the Cardinals supposed to take it? What if I told Mr. Haudricourt that Pujols stares at his homeruns to left-field because his mother lives almost directly due west of St. Louis and he is paying homage to his mom when he hits the ball in that direction? Is it true? Does it matter? It still looks like he is showing the pitcher up. My point is, Haudricourt, with the exception of conceding that Villanueva got a bit too worked up, seems to think the Brewers have done no wrong, and that they are the victim of the petty and devious Cardinals. The truth is somewhere in the middle of his perspective and ours (Cardinals Country). I can admit that, I wonder if Mr. Haudricourt can.

Can you say…….”No big wins since 1982?”

All the Brewers fans say together……………”No big wins since 1982?”

Boo hoo Brewers. Don’t the Cardinals Play In St. Louis? Do you really think Cardinal fans want to look at it from the Brewers view? 1982-2008? The Brewers need to respect that. Know who your Daddy is Milwaukee!

It’s almost laughable that he would write something like that. Here’s the real beef with the Brewers. They haven’t won squat. They didn’t last year, and they still have yet to win something this year. It means nothing to me if we go 0 and 15 against them. Face the facts. You act like a bunch of immature punks, but you have nothing to show for it. There is no other Major League team that acts the way you do. None….it doesn’t get me riled up what’s happening currently in the standings. What angers people is the fact that your franchise history is a joke, your behavior is a joke, and your excuses are a joke. But the fact we’ll have always have loads more division titles, pennants, and World Series rings………..is NO joke. Taste success, before you act like you have.

PS I hope you enjoy free agency….

Did Cameron’s dad pull his shirt out when he hit the parking lot, or wait till he got home?…Doing it on the field is classless. I find it humoring at the number of Brewer’s posts harping on this, when I haven’t even fathomed looking in MKE….why?…I’m a Card’s fan I don’t care what Brewers or Cub’s fans think about our team.

I’ve played and watched enough baseball in my life to know a team of hotdogs when I see them. The Milwaukee Brewers, especially Ryan Braun, fit that bill. Braun with his game rooster strut, and his smirks, is lucky he hasn’t already had a ball launched into his teeth.

Had he been on an opposing team that I played against, it would have certainly happened.

Villanueva is another little banty rooster. He is also lucky that he hasn’t had his feathers plucked. If I were on the ballfield, I guaran-damn-tee you I would have plucked his feathers.

The Brewers are just a bunch of strutty punks who don’t know how to win gracefully.

Strutting and being cocky is never good in my book, and where I come from, such behavior would get you knocked on your can in a New York minute.

The whole team untucking their shirts is ridiculous.

By the way, why didn’t the Brewers untuck last night? If they only do it when they win, why is that? If it’s celebrating Cameron’s dad, (which I think is a bunch a bull), why don’t they do it when they lose, too?

I’ll tell you why: it’s because they’re showboating.

I’d rather see the freaking Cubs win than the Brewers. If the Redbirds don’t make it (and I never thought I would say this), I hope the Cubs stomp the Brewers into the dirt.

ned yost was brought up better than that…letting his punk players misbehave on the field. makes you wonder if he’s really in charge. his mentor bobby cox would NEVER have allowed the kind of freshman like foolishness the brewers display. c’mon ned get a grip on your team. they’re young and dumb but it’s your job to groom them into winners. also i think i saw at least 3 knockdown pitches by brewers pitchers before wainwright finally came inside. anyone who knows anything about larussa would know he never ever allows headhunting but respects a player who stands up for his team like pujols and wainwright. me too. if the brewers had a pitcher who had any nuts he would have retaliated.

You Cardinals fans should realize that it does not matter what you have done in the past, but matters what they do now. Compared to the Red Sox the Cardinals have not won a World Series for a while. Compare the Brewers to a team like the Cubs, and the Brewers 82 series could be considered recent success. If the past mattered more than the present teams would disband after their first World Series so they could go out on top. First of all any Cardinal fan that complains about Crew fans being homers is being silly because all fans are homers. Right now the Brewers are the better team and that is that. I must say that I do not like Haudricourt all the time, but my god these Cardinal bloggers are just plain bad. You hypocrites have done far worse than untucking shirts. You can complain when you win the season series. If it is not meant to be mean it isnt. That ball thrown at braun was meant to be mean. Ill tell you straight out I hope the Brewers throw at Pujols next year for Showboating, retaliation for Braun, and just being the biggest hypocrite in baseball. Guess what Cardinal fans my shirt is untucked. Yea that is right my shirt is untucked. What are you gonna do about it. Maybe Albert Pujols is gonna come cuss me out then complain to the press that I started it. First of all do not try to tell me that Pujols is devout christian after some of the things i have seen him say towards other players in games. Albert Pujols = great baseball player. Albert Pujols = biggest piece of hypocrite BS in MLB. What happened to the last 1st Baseman that all Cardinal fans revered as a great guy? Oh yea thats right it came out that he was one of the posterboys for the roid problem in Baseball. I would want pujols and LaRussa taking care of my team but as people they have shown time and again that they are jerks. Ned Yost may make dumb decisions but he isnt a jerk and a hypocrite. You Cardinal fans have shown you are idiots, your team is full of hypocrites, and your bloggers are offended by baseball jersey that is not secured in a player’s pants. I have not seen one thing intelligent posted on here by a Cardinal fan. They defend their team for one thing then attack the brewers for the same offense. I even saw one post in the blogs that claimed wisconsinites were uneducated, red necks. This is funny because the Educational system in Wisconsin consistantly ranks better than that in Missouri and a red neck has to be from the south. A wisconsinite can be a hick but not a redneck.

Where’s Joaquin Andujar when you need him? We’ll let him fire down ole Jimmy Gantner and take ‘em for a ride like he did back in ‘82.

Personally, I think the Brewers showboated a bit there and the shirts are a bit much as Tipsheet says…I’ll let ‘em have ‘em though. They were fool enough to give Jeff Weaver a try after Seattle let him and his bloated contract go!

I’d like to hear what Ted Simmons had to say about last night.

I think this has developed into an exciting rivalry. I hope no one gets hurt and people keep a little perspective. Yeah, the Cards have lost more than their share of games to the Brewers this year, but I’d still rather the Brewers win than the Cubs. I mean, lets don’t be crazy. Also, this is probably their only chance to dabble in success for a couple more years. They can’t wade deep into the free agent pool like the well financed baby bears and they are going to loose some key people. Don’t worry Cards Nation, this year MIGHT not be ours, but history says both the Brewers and Cubs will implode before too long. And when they do, it will have been hard work making them look so bad. Maybe worthy of untucking your shirts and relaxing in a nice beer shower.

I was there, and saw Villy say something first. He started it, not Pujols. Anyone that calls AP a chump is an idiot devoid of baseball knowledge. AP has always respected the game, and when an ass-clown like Villy starts gesturing towards your dugout you have to stand up to him.

All you Brewer apologists, your own damn manager said it was stupid and wrong. And it was. I gaurantee one of the Brewer veterans sat that kid down and had a talk to him after the game…