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Posted: 30 Oct 2009 08:00 am

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@charlest, I was pulled over leaving McDonalds after buying my kids some happy meals. I went inside because of a long wait at the drive thru. I just got caught up in the excitement and didn't put my seat belt back on when I left. I got a block down the road and was pulled over for not wearing a seat belt.

@BarnBurner, That is part of their job. As I said, seat belts are a great idea, it just shouldn't be forced upon us, just like helmets are for bike riders. While accidents are tragic, they do happen and it's just the way things are. You are using the ever so popular "fear of death" argument. Why do people enlist to fight for our country when they know they could die? Usually, it's their choice.

@chaser, I weigh 350 pounds. I am going nowhere if my vehicle crashes. It's physically impossible.


@otcboy, it is a privilege to breathe clean air so by your argument, it is OK if it is polluted. Your second arguement is hogwash.

@MrRick, like I said originally, take some of the money given to police overtime and the like and use it to fix those large bumps. Plus as I said, I weigh 350 pounds and I am going nowhere.

@KCCasey, whatever you believe about Roe V. Wade, the fact is the US Supreme Court disagrees with you and your moronic comments are irrelevent IMO.


Fatreap...I don't care how much you weigh. If you are in a bad enough accident, you can move. Do you think you would stay put in a roll-over accident? Like I said earlier, if you are by yourself, you only have you to kill. What if you have a loved one with you?

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Posted: 30 Oct 2009 09:52 am
You can argue WHY you should wear a seatbelt all day and I will not disagree with you. It should not be made a crime not to wear it though, that is my point. Pesonally, I don't think that I was in any danger anyway pulling out of McDonalds that day, but I'm sure some will argue that. I also don't think that I was putting anyone else's life in danger. I was made to feel like a criminal, humiliated, and my kids were distraught all over this. That is wrong and should not be tolerated by anyone.
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Posted: 30 Oct 2009 15:15 pm

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You can argue WHY you should wear a seatbelt all day and I will not disagree with you. It should not be made a crime not to wear it though, that is my point. Pesonally, I don't think that I was in any danger anyway pulling out of McDonalds that day, but I'm sure some will argue that. I also don't think that I was putting anyone else's life in danger. I was made to feel like a criminal, humiliated, and my kids were distraught all over this. That is wrong and should not be tolerated by anyone.


I certainly don't think you should be humiliated and treated like a criminal and it is a shame your kids were distraught, but at the same time, this would have been a good moment to point out that if you do not follow the law, you can get in trouble.

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Posted: 30 Oct 2009 16:23 pm
I certainly don't think you should be humiliated and treated like a criminal and it is a shame your kids were distraught, but at the same time, this would have been a good moment to point out that if you do not follow the law, you can get in trouble.[/quote]

Good point. It also should be an opportunity to teach my kids to stand up for what is right and not to roll over and just automatically take punishment for something that is nonsense, whether it is mom or dad or the government. Our country was founded on beliefs like that and our society keeps us from thinking that way today. That's probably why the President's Day holiday has been pretty much phased out. The ones that run our country (i.e. the ones with money) just want us to go with the flow, shut up, and watch TV.

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Posted: 31 Oct 2009 11:21 am
I applaud your efforts to do what you think is right. I do have a question. Have you only taken on this law since you got your ticket, or have you been fighting this for some time? I am not trying to be a jerk, just curious. If you are like me, I only fight things after it has affected me. Good Luck
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Posted: 31 Oct 2009 11:49 am
No offense taken at all, that's what these forums are for. As long as you don't just get on here to flame, not a problem at all. I have long been against this law for the reason that I see it not being a crime. Laws and crimes should only be for the purpose of protecting people, not policing them. I always have told people to fight seat belt tickets, but this is the first time I have been convicted of this "law". I am also against most drug laws also. I haven't smoked "weed" in over 15 years, but I think that it should not be illegal to do so in a safe setting. There are too many people in prison for marajuana that should not be. People can commit a minor crime and not receive jail time, but probation. Of course, most people need to pass a drug test while on probation. If someone smokes a joint to relax after work, they can go to prison for a petty offense in this situation. Also, the main reason there is so much crime is because drugs are illegal. What if laundry soap was illegal? There would be a lot of the same crime around laundry soap as there would be for drugs because a lot of people need their laundry soap and will by it illegally at very inflated prices. Some would even partake in illegal activity such as selling laundry soap, prostitution to pay for laundry soap, and even breaking in places to get stuff to trade for laundry soap. This doesn't even count the gang acivity that would develop around control for territory of selling laundry soap. You all may think this is funny or silly, but it could very well happen to common things like laundry soap in the future. If you want to argue laundry soap doesn't hurt like drugs do, although it does harm the environment, substitute sodas or cheeseburgers for laundry soap. Let me hear how cheeseburgers are better for you than marajuana. Please.
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Posted: 02 Nov 2009 17:29 pm

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No offense taken at all, that's what these forums are for. As long as you don't just get on here to flame, not a problem at all. I have long been against this law for the reason that I see it not being a crime. Laws and crimes should only be for the purpose of protecting people, not policing them. I always have told people to fight seat belt tickets, but this is the first time I have been convicted of this "law". I am also against most drug laws also. I haven't smoked "weed" in over 15 years, but I think that it should not be illegal to do so in a safe setting. There are too many people in prison for marajuana that should not be. People can commit a minor crime and not receive jail time, but probation. Of course, most people need to pass a drug test while on probation. If someone smokes a joint to relax after work, they can go to prison for a petty offense in this situation. Also, the main reason there is so much crime is because drugs are illegal. What if laundry soap was illegal? There would be a lot of the same crime around laundry soap as there would be for drugs because a lot of people need their laundry soap and will by it illegally at very inflated prices. Some would even partake in illegal activity such as selling laundry soap, prostitution to pay for laundry soap, and even breaking in places to get stuff to trade for laundry soap. This doesn't even count the gang acivity that would develop around control for territory of selling laundry soap. You all may think this is funny or silly, but it could very well happen to common things like laundry soap in the future. If you want to argue laundry soap doesn't hurt like drugs do, although it does harm the environment, substitute sodas or cheeseburgers for laundry soap. Let me hear how cheeseburgers are better for you than marajuana. Please.



Good points, Tide and Downy resolve their trade disputes in a court of law. Drug dealers settle them in the street.

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Posted: 05 Nov 2009 17:47 pm

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@MrRick, like I said originally, take some of the money given to police overtime and the like and use it to fix those large bumps. Plus as I said, I weigh 350 pounds and I am going nowhere.



Hey, fattreap, would you rather pay for the roadbumps that wouldn't do any harm to people if they were smart and actually wore their seatbelt, or pay for police overtime so they can stop the growing crime rate in and around St.Louis, espicially shootings? Why take away money from people that stop shootings, murders, robbery, and drug dealing just so that you don't bounce around in your car when you hit a road bump because you don't Use your seatbelt. By the way, you meaning 350 pounds doesn't mean :!:. The force of the car against you is greater than your weight against it, so you'd still be flying through the windshield and, since you are larger than the average person, you'd have more momentum flying through the air causing more harm to the person in the other car and making you fly farther and at a faster rate. Somebody didn't take science class in highschool.



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Posted: 05 Nov 2009 17:50 pm

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I have long been against this law for the reason that I see it not being a crime. Laws and crimes should only be for the purpose of protecting people, not policing them.


Fattreap, are you that stupid? The seatbelt law IS TO PROTECT YOU!

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Posted: 05 Nov 2009 17:58 pm

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No offense taken at all, that's what these forums are for. As long as you don't just get on here to flame, not a problem at all. I have long been against this law for the reason that I see it not being a crime. Laws and crimes should only be for the purpose of protecting people, not policing them. I always have told people to fight seat belt tickets, but this is the first time I have been convicted of this "law". I am also against most drug laws also. I haven't smoked "weed" in over 15 years, but I think that it should not be illegal to do so in a safe setting. There are too many people in prison for marajuana that should not be. People can commit a minor crime and not receive jail time, but probation. Of course, most people need to pass a drug test while on probation. If someone smokes a joint to relax after work, they can go to prison for a petty offense in this situation. Also, the main reason there is so much crime is because drugs are illegal. What if laundry soap was illegal? There would be a lot of the same crime around laundry soap as there would be for drugs because a lot of people need their laundry soap and will by it illegally at very inflated prices. Some would even partake in illegal activity such as selling laundry soap, prostitution to pay for laundry soap, and even breaking in places to get stuff to trade for laundry soap. This doesn't even count the gang acivity that would develop around control for territory of selling laundry soap. You all may think this is funny or silly, but it could very well happen to common things like laundry soap in the future. If you want to argue laundry soap doesn't hurt like drugs do, although it does harm the environment, substitute sodas or cheeseburgers for laundry soap. Let me hear how cheeseburgers are better for you than marajuana. Please.
Well, Marajuana impairs your senses making it easier for you to crash in your car and hurt someone, you can become adidicted and drop out of school or not go to your job because you want to go smoke, and countless other things. Your reference to Laundry Soap is just stupid. laundry Soap doesn't harm you, Marajuana does. You can harm other people while under the influence of it, no matter how much you've smoked [unlike alcohol, which is safe in certain amounts }
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Posted: 05 Nov 2009 18:02 pm

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No offense taken at all, that's what these forums are for. As long as you don't just get on here to flame, not a problem at all. I have long been against this law for the reason that I see it not being a crime. Laws and crimes should only be for the purpose of protecting people, not policing them. I always have told people to fight seat belt tickets, but this is the first time I have been convicted of this "law". I am also against most drug laws also. I haven't smoked "weed" in over 15 years, but I think that it should not be illegal to do so in a safe setting. There are too many people in prison for marajuana that should not be. People can commit a minor crime and not receive jail time, but probation. Of course, most people need to pass a drug test while on probation. If someone smokes a joint to relax after work, they can go to prison for a petty offense in this situation. Also, the main reason there is so much crime is because drugs are illegal. What if laundry soap was illegal? There would be a lot of the same crime around laundry soap as there would be for drugs because a lot of people need their laundry soap and will by it illegally at very inflated prices. Some would even partake in illegal activity such as selling laundry soap, prostitution to pay for laundry soap, and even breaking in places to get stuff to trade for laundry soap. This doesn't even count the gang acivity that would develop around control for territory of selling laundry soap. You all may think this is funny or silly, but it could very well happen to common things like laundry soap in the future. If you want to argue laundry soap doesn't hurt like drugs do, although it does harm the environment, substitute sodas or cheeseburgers for laundry soap. Let me hear how cheeseburgers are better for you than marajuana. Please.
Oh! this clears up so much! Now I know that your so stupid because you spent time doing drugs, not going to school. That's another reason that 'weed' is illegal. Kids don't go to school, or, if they do, they don't pay attention, so they all end up like you, stupid, or worse, died, because they got into gangs and violence through 'weed' and then got killed by that violence.
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