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Post subject: Re: Turner Gill maybe
Posted: 27 Oct 2009 12:52 pm
I know he's gone but a name to put out there is Mike Locksley. He did recruit most of the talent to Illinois and while he has used most of the year losing and beating up assistants, it would be familiar ground to him. Also another name with a similar recruiting background would be Charlie Strong/ Florida's defensive coordinator who time as a head man is very over due.
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Posted: 27 Oct 2009 13:09 pm
Someone earlier mentioned Gary Patterson of TCU. Looks like we should have grabbed him instead of Schultz. How ironic that Schultz leaves his OC position at TCU for Illinois and TCU is on the verge of a historic season for themselves. And Illinois is in line for one of their worst seasons.
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Posted: 04 Nov 2009 17:51 pm
Mike Singletary...he will be sick of the NFL after this season. To quote from TMQ, the Crabtree thing has got to :!: him off.

The Crabtree Curse continues. San Francisco was 3-1, with its only defeat a fluky last-play loss; then the 49ers signed Michael Crabtree, and are 0-3 since. All that work Mike Singletary did building team spirit on the Niners went out the window when management decided a player could jerk the team around all he wanted and still get a $17 million reward. On the key down of San Francisco's loss at Indianapolis -- third-and-10 for the 49ers with six minutes remaining -- Alex Smith fell on a "coverage sack" when no one was open. Megabucks me-first diva Crabtree was nicely handled by undrafted free agent cornerback Jacob Lacey.

Singletary would instill discipline, preparation, fundamentals and toughness back into this program. Something you don't see very much any more.
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Post subject: Re: Turner Gill maybe
Posted: 10 Nov 2009 13:13 pm
I may be slipping a bit with this one but I would love to see what Mike Martz's offense would do in the college ranks. Him working with the illini QB's and the talent that Illinois has at receiver just might bright a Pete carroll situation to Illinois
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Post subject: Re: Turner Gill maybe
Posted: 10 Nov 2009 18:22 pm

FpmUrge wrote

Someone earlier mentioned Gary Patterson of TCU. Looks like we should have grabbed him instead of Schultz. How ironic that Schultz leaves his OC position at TCU for Illinois and TCU is on the verge of a historic season for themselves. And Illinois is in line for one of their worst seasons.


I know you posted this before the Michigan game, but they could still theorhetically make a bowl.

Motor City Bowl, I believe.

If they do that I may be happier than when they made the Rose Bowl, just because the season felt over.

Now, there's a glimmer of hope.
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Post subject: Re: Turner Gill maybe
Posted: 10 Nov 2009 18:23 pm

coachsharp wrote

I may be slipping a bit with this one but I would love to see what Mike Martz's offense would do in the college ranks. Him working with the illini QB's and the talent that Illinois has at receiver just might bright a Pete carroll situation to Illinois


Are you suggesting Zook fire Schultz and hire Martz....cuz Zook isn't going anywhere, unfortunately?
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Posted: 10 Nov 2009 19:03 pm

tenor1trpt wrote

FpmUrge wrote

Someone earlier mentioned Gary Patterson of TCU. Looks like we should have grabbed him instead of Schultz. How ironic that Schultz leaves his OC position at TCU for Illinois and TCU is on the verge of a historic season for themselves. And Illinois is in line for one of their worst seasons.


I know you posted this before the Michigan game, but they could still theorhetically make a bowl.

Motor City Bowl, I believe.

If they do that I may be happier than when they made the Rose Bowl, just because the season felt over.

Now, there's a glimmer of hope.


The next 3 games are winnable, but, of course, the Cincinnati game will be a daunting task. The defense will have its handful. I love the d-line, but the middle of the field is their soft spot. Minny exploited that in the second half last week. Outside of Hawthorne and Thomas, the LB corps and secondary are terrible.

You now, I would not be surprised if they win out the remainder of their games, but then again, I would not be surprised if they lose all of them either.
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Post subject: Re: Turner Gill maybe
Posted: 11 Nov 2009 06:37 am

FpmUrge wrote

tenor1trpt wrote

FpmUrge wrote

Someone earlier mentioned Gary Patterson of TCU. Looks like we should have grabbed him instead of Schultz. How ironic that Schultz leaves his OC position at TCU for Illinois and TCU is on the verge of a historic season for themselves. And Illinois is in line for one of their worst seasons.


I know you posted this before the Michigan game, but they could still theorhetically make a bowl.

Motor City Bowl, I believe.

If they do that I may be happier than when they made the Rose Bowl, just because the season felt over.

Now, there's a glimmer of hope.


The next 3 games are winnable, but, of course, the Cincinnati game will be a daunting task. The defense will have its handful. I love the d-line, but the middle of the field is their soft spot. Minny exploited that in the second half last week. Outside of Hawthorne and Thomas, the LB corps and secondary are terrible.

You now, I would not be surprised if they win out the remainder of their games, but then again, I would not be surprised if they lose all of them either.


Agree completely, especially with the bolded part.
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Post subject: Re: Turner Gill maybe
Posted: 12 Nov 2009 13:08 pm
If they could work it out then yes I would love to see Mike Martz shape a college offense. He could be as innovative as he wants without everyone saying that he doesn't run the ball enough. I think Zook is a recruiting glory and great with defenses. He looked good since someone made him look good. He needs someone to feed him prospects to talk to like Locksley did and someone who can truly call an offense. I also could see the Illini win out and make it respectable with the game of course being Cincinnati. Juice needs that game more than anyone. A great bounce back game in that showcase could help him go from undrafted athlete to day two or three (new format) pick up.
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Posted: 12 Nov 2009 15:49 pm
I think Zook is a recruiting glory and great with defenses. He looked good since someone made him look good. He needs someone to feed him prospects to talk to like Locksley did and someone who can truly call an offense.

Not sure which is more absurd, having Locksley return to Illinois with all his baggage, or claiming Zook is "great" with defenses. The defensive stats under Zook's tenure are simply awful, rivaled only by his special teams failures. Developing players in football is just as important if not more so, than grabbing headline talent each year, and that simply does not exist with this coaching staff.

Best case scenario for Illinois football long term, is Zook winning enough remaining games this year to keep our recruits and buy time for Ron Guenther to announce his retirement at the end of 2010. The new (not interim) President of the university conducts a search for an AD and football coach package beginning in 2011. Because "coach" Guenther has orchestrated another brutal schedule for 2010, Zook will likely not survive beyond that.
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Post subject: Re: Turner Gill maybe
Posted: 13 Nov 2009 11:12 am
That is exactly my point. With Locksley he brought a ot to the table as far as opening recruiting doors and Zook has been described as a great closer. That is where the upside is but as a staff they needed more teachers than recruiter and there needs to be an overhaul on some level. The one thing that I always liked about Martz was that his quarterbacks seemed prepared (needed to to avoid death) But he did draft Bulger late, Fitzpatrick late and unlocked Warner. Warner I believe is Warner but Bulger stopped all growth after Martz and Fitzpatrick is a fireman where ever he has been see Buffalo last year. I feel that he may not be a recruiter but his offense can be run effectively in college and put up gaudier numbers due to the scheme and the weapons they will have within the program. and then you still could have your best case scenario if it doesn't work but I just believe that it can just as sure as the run and shoot and the flexbone has.
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Posted: 24 Nov 2009 23:04 pm

muckfichigan wrote

I think Zook is a recruiting glory and great with defenses. He looked good since someone made him look good. He needs someone to feed him prospects to talk to like Locksley did and someone who can truly call an offense.

Not sure which is more absurd, having Locksley return to Illinois with all his baggage, or claiming Zook is "great" with defenses. The defensive stats under Zook's tenure are simply awful, rivaled only by his special teams failures. Developing players in football is just as important if not more so, than grabbing headline talent each year, and that simply does not exist with this coaching staff.

Best case scenario for Illinois football long term, is Zook winning enough remaining games this year to keep our recruits and buy time for Ron Guenther to announce his retirement at the end of 2010. The new (not interim) President of the university conducts a search for an AD and football coach package beginning in 2011. Because "coach" Guenther has orchestrated another brutal schedule for 2010, Zook will likely not survive beyond that.


Illinois does not play a brutal schedule next year. They begin the year playing Missouri in St. Louis, and then SIU and NIU at home. They then play the Big Ten schedule which will exclude Iowa and Wisconsin again next year (2 top 25 rated teams). At home they will play Purdue, Indiana and Minnesota all very winnable games. They then finish the year at Fresno State. To me that a 5 to 7 or 8 win schedule.

The defense should have both starting corners back, 2 of their top 3 safeties and all 4 of their top LB's. If the LB's gain 10 ppounds each to be actual Big Ten size they should be good. We will also have our top 2 DT's back and 2 of our DE's. THis doesn't even count Martez WIlson and Miami THomas (arguably our top 2 defensive players this year before injuries) being back also.

Our offense to me has been a huge disappointment this year. This is where the talent was this year and it just didn't perform. Even here we will have 3 of our starting OL's back. Hopefully a Top TE recruit (CJ), several good WR's and our top 2 RB's/ THere will be an interestign battle between Charest and our redshirt QB (Scheelhaase).

To me Zook has to win 7 games next year or he's gone plain and simple..
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