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Post subject: Is Nady an Upgrade?
Posted: 05 Nov 2009 23:17 pm
I know Nady is not a power surge like Holliday but he might be that spark the Cards need.
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Post subject: Re: Is Nady an Upgrade?
Posted: 05 Nov 2009 23:22 pm
He isn't the answer but can be part of the solution with upgrades at other places, He does kill LHP something the Cards have problems with.
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Posted: 05 Nov 2009 23:41 pm
If you mean an upgrade over Holliday, probably not.

Other than the major recovery concern from surgery, IMO, he is a solid performer.

If we don't sign Holliday, or trade Ludwick for help at another position, I would rather take a chance on Nady ( assuming he passes his physical ) than trade prospects for Dunn, or spend big bucks on Bay.

It all depends on his health. He is 31 as of November 14th, and I would expect that he will be much sought after.

Having played within the division can't hurt.
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Posted: 05 Nov 2009 23:45 pm
Upgrade over who?

Ankiel probably
Holliday not so much
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Posted: 05 Nov 2009 23:50 pm
I like the idea of signing DeRo and Nady, and using any leftover cash to shore up pitching. There is an absolute glut of top tier relievers - check the FA list - and for what Holliday costs we could get a lights out staff. Several decent starters also. Next year more FA bats hit the market - they are scarce this year. Good pitching beats good hitting every time - except when Albert is at bat!
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Posted: 06 Nov 2009 00:48 am
It Ludwick's Arbitration numbers come in too high I wouldn't mind seeing him shipped and possibly go with...

Adam Dunn 12M
Xavier Nady 6M in 2010 and 8M mutual option in 2011
Troy Glaus 8M

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Holliday 18+ or Bay 16+
Ludwick 6M range

Thats would be if the 2 FA's were willing to take those deals, If Nady opted out all 3 players could be Type-A FA in 2011 if healthy and still young enough to be in demand.

The system would be zapped outside a few guys but with the extra picks in 2010 and 2011 it could be back healthy quickly with high potential.

Its only 2-4M more that what would be given to Ludwick and Bay/Holliday and could be reduced some if Washington picked up part of Dunn's money for better prospects and It gives us the deeper lineup we need with 5 power threats 3 of which have had multiple 40 HR seasons!
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Posted: 06 Nov 2009 01:42 am
Ludwick is probably going to be between $5-6M which isnt too high.

Dunn is a given at $12M, who would you trade for him?
Nady will probably be in that range, his 2009 salary was $6.55M. $4-5M plus incentives for ABs, max at $7M would work.
Glaus would also have to be an incentive deal, probably starting around $6M, max at say $9M.

Would make an interesting lineup.

Skip-4
Nady-9
AP-3
Dunn-7
Glaus-5
Rasmus-8
Molina-2
Ryan-6
Pitcher
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Post subject: Re: Is Nady an Upgrade?
Posted: 06 Nov 2009 02:16 am
I have no idea what they would want but not many guys would be off limits from the minors and they have some holes, you also have the X factor of what Ludwick was moved for.
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Posted: 06 Nov 2009 06:24 am
Why are people always wanting to move Ludwick?

He's better than Nady and he's still relatively cheap.

I don't think he will match his 2008 numbers again, but I think it's resonable to expect his 2010 numbers to be somewhere between his 2008 & 2009 numbers.
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Posted: 06 Nov 2009 07:13 am
I am not really interested in moving Luddy. I was just going off of the original idea. I would have no problem if they could trade for Dunn and resign Glaus and Luddy still in RF. Thats quite a bit of power from both sides of the plate. Dunn's splits are even with the exception of he hits for more power against righties.
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Post subject: Re: Is Nady an Upgrade?
Posted: 06 Nov 2009 07:16 am

espritdesstlouis wrote

If you mean an upgrade over Holliday, probably not.

Other than the major recovery concern from surgery, IMO, he is a solid performer.

If we don't sign Holliday, or trade Ludwick for help at another position, I would rather take a chance on Nady ( assuming he passes his physical ) than trade prospects for Dunn, or spend big bucks on Bay.

It all depends on his health. He is 31 as of November 14th, and I would expect that he will be much sought after.

Having played within the division can't hurt.


I rarely disagree with you, my good man, so I'm probably wrong.

BUT,

Assuming Rasmus and Miller are not two of the prospects, I would rather trade for Dunn than get Nady. I think Dunn is a future HOFer. 600 HR and a .900 career OPS will look pretty good, especially if he can get on a team that makes it to the postseason and have a good postseason.

Now, if Rasmus or Miller is involved, I do not want Dunn, I do not think.
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Post subject: Re: Is Nady an Upgrade?
Posted: 06 Nov 2009 07:23 am

tenor1trpt wrote

espritdesstlouis wrote

If you mean an upgrade over Holliday, probably not.

Other than the major recovery concern from surgery, IMO, he is a solid performer.

If we don't sign Holliday, or trade Ludwick for help at another position, I would rather take a chance on Nady ( assuming he passes his physical ) than trade prospects for Dunn, or spend big bucks on Bay.

It all depends on his health. He is 31 as of November 14th, and I would expect that he will be much sought after.

Having played within the division can't hurt.


I rarely disagree with you, my good man, so I'm probably wrong.

BUT,

Assuming Rasmus and Miller are not two of the prospects, I would rather trade for Dunn than get Nady. I think Dunn is a future HOFer. 600 HR and a .900 career OPS will look pretty good, especially if he can get on a team that makes it to the postseason and have a good postseason.

Now, if Rasmus or Miller is involved, I do not want Dunn, I do not think.


They wouldnt trade Colby for him and Miller is safe for this year as he was the 09 pick and cant be traded for a year. Not sure what the Nats would want, something like Lynn and Jones or Craig.
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