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Posted: 06 Nov 2009 22:34 pm
Of reform within Islam? Do you support or condone their second class treatment of women, intolerance of different belief systems, their violent intolerance of 'alternative lifestyles', their expectations in fundamentalist countries that nonbelievers should submit to second class citizenship, honor killings, the significant portion of believers who support or condone terrorist actions?

I'm not saying Christians/Catholics/Jews/etc. are without fault and all Muslims are evil. However, it is rather insulting that leftists have certain expectations for non-Muslims and lower ones for Muslims? Same issue with African-Americans. It's like you expect so little that you are willing to condone or excuse bad behavior among some groups, but not others. In a sense, you are being bigotted. You are saying without saying, that we know you can't help it to be less 'enlightened'. Which is very insulting...
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Posted: 06 Nov 2009 22:46 pm

RichieRichInStLouis wrote

Of reform within Islam? Do you support or condone their second class treatment of women, intolerance of different belief systems, their violent intolerance of 'alternative lifestyles', their expectations in fundamentalist countries that nonbelievers should submit to second class citizenship, honor killings, the significant portion of believers who support or condone terrorist actions?

I'm not saying Christians/Catholics/Jews/etc. are without fault and all Muslims are evil. However, it is rather insulting that leftists have certain expectations for non-Muslims and lower ones for Muslims? Same issue with African-Americans. It's like you expect so little that you are willing to condone or excuse bad behavior among some groups, but not others. In a sense, you are being bigotted. You are saying without saying, that we know you can't help it to be less 'enlightened'. Which is very insulting...


My only guess is that they support radical Islam for the same reason they idolize Marxism and Maoism.

They all are diametrically opposed to traditional American Christian values, individual liberty and free market capitalism. All the ingredients that made this country great.
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Post subject: Re: Why exactly do leftist have a problem with any expectations
Posted: 06 Nov 2009 23:41 pm
The custodial staff in my office building would have more intelligent things to say than the above two posts.
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Posted: 06 Nov 2009 23:44 pm
I suppose that's the major difference between liberals and conservatives -- liberals don't tell anyone what to believe when it comes to religions; conservatives do. What is worse is that conservatives even develop definitions of what makes a "good" or "bad" follower of any given religion.

To make a long story short, the day I go to a man of the cloth for political advice is the day I turn to government for religious salvation.
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Post subject: Re: Why exactly do leftist have a problem with any expectati
Posted: 06 Nov 2009 23:47 pm

RichieRichInStLouis wrote

Of reform within Islam? Do you support or condone their second class treatment of women, intolerance of different belief systems, their violent intolerance of 'alternative lifestyles', their expectations in fundamentalist countries that nonbelievers should submit to second class citizenship, honor killings, the significant portion of believers who support or condone terrorist actions?

I'm not saying Christians/Catholics/Jews/etc. are without fault and all Muslims are evil. However, it is rather insulting that leftists have certain expectations for non-Muslims and lower ones for Muslims? Same issue with African-Americans. It's like you expect so little that you are willing to condone or excuse bad behavior among some groups, but not others. In a sense, you are being bigotted. You are saying without saying, that we know you can't help it to be less 'enlightened'. Which is very insulting...


I can't speak for "leftist" or liberals, or democrats.

I'll give my opinion.

I honestly believe it just comes down to looking for reasons to criticize and classify Republicans and conservatives as being racist intolerant bigots for political reasons.
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Post subject: Re: Why exactly do leftist have a problem with any expectati
Posted: 07 Nov 2009 00:27 am

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RichieRichInStLouis wrote

Of reform within Islam? Do you support or condone their second class treatment of women, intolerance of different belief systems, their violent intolerance of 'alternative lifestyles', their expectations in fundamentalist countries that nonbelievers should submit to second class citizenship, honor killings, the significant portion of believers who support or condone terrorist actions?

I'm not saying Christians/Catholics/Jews/etc. are without fault and all Muslims are evil. However, it is rather insulting that leftists have certain expectations for non-Muslims and lower ones for Muslims? Same issue with African-Americans. It's like you expect so little that you are willing to condone or excuse bad behavior among some groups, but not others. In a sense, you are being bigotted. You are saying without saying, that we know you can't help it to be less 'enlightened'. Which is very insulting...


I can't speak for "leftist" or liberals, or democrats.

I'll give my opinion.

I honestly believe it just comes down to looking for reasons to criticize and classify Republicans and conservatives as being racist intolerant bigots for political reasons.


Not really, but nice try.
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Posted: 07 Nov 2009 02:59 am

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RichieRichInStLouis wrote

Of reform within Islam? Do you support or condone their second class treatment of women, intolerance of different belief systems, their violent intolerance of 'alternative lifestyles', their expectations in fundamentalist countries that nonbelievers should submit to second class citizenship, honor killings, the significant portion of believers who support or condone terrorist actions?

I'm not saying Christians/Catholics/Jews/etc. are without fault and all Muslims are evil. However, it is rather insulting that leftists have certain expectations for non-Muslims and lower ones for Muslims? Same issue with African-Americans. It's like you expect so little that you are willing to condone or excuse bad behavior among some groups, but not others. In a sense, you are being bigotted. You are saying without saying, that we know you can't help it to be less 'enlightened'. Which is very insulting...


My only guess is that they support radical Islam for the same reason they idolize Marxism and Maoism.

They all are diametrically opposed to traditional American Christian values, individual liberty and free market capitalism. All the ingredients that made this country great.


Everything just fits in a box with you doesn't it. No one defends the actions of radical terrorists. Trying to understand something is not the same as justifying or supporting. Ever heard the saying "walk a mile in my shoes."
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Posted: 07 Nov 2009 05:56 am

happy_san wrote

The custodial staff in my office building would have more intelligent things to say than the above two posts.


I love the assumption that you are smarter than your custodial staff. Why? Are they minorities? Maybe they are working on their Phd. at night.

Typical liberal arrogance.
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Post subject: Re: Why exactly do leftist have a problem with any expectati
Posted: 07 Nov 2009 07:59 am

RichieRichInStLouis wrote

Of reform within Islam? Do you support or condone their second class treatment of women, intolerance of different belief systems, their violent intolerance of 'alternative lifestyles', their expectations in fundamentalist countries that nonbelievers should submit to second class citizenship, honor killings, the significant portion of believers who support or condone terrorist actions?

I'm not saying Christians/Catholics/Jews/etc. are without fault and all Muslims are evil. However, it is rather insulting that leftists have certain expectations for non-Muslims and lower ones for Muslims? Same issue with African-Americans. It's like you expect so little that you are willing to condone or excuse bad behavior among some groups, but not others. In a sense, you are being bigotted. You are saying without saying, that we know you can't help it to be less 'enlightened'. Which is very insulting...


You can accept without condoning. As in, I can accept that they can live how they want in thier own country. If it is happening in this country then it is unacceptable since we have laws against these things. If it is in thier own country then we really have no buisness butting in. After all, how would we feel if some folks over in the middle east started telling us that we need to act like them? Personally I dont make much distiction between Islam and Christianity anyway.
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Posted: 07 Nov 2009 08:35 am

Jerkherky wrote

gulfcoastblues wrote

RichieRichInStLouis wrote

Of reform within Islam? Do you support or condone their second class treatment of women, intolerance of different belief systems, their violent intolerance of 'alternative lifestyles', their expectations in fundamentalist countries that nonbelievers should submit to second class citizenship, honor killings, the significant portion of believers who support or condone terrorist actions?

I'm not saying Christians/Catholics/Jews/etc. are without fault and all Muslims are evil. However, it is rather insulting that leftists have certain expectations for non-Muslims and lower ones for Muslims? Same issue with African-Americans. It's like you expect so little that you are willing to condone or excuse bad behavior among some groups, but not others. In a sense, you are being bigotted. You are saying without saying, that we know you can't help it to be less 'enlightened'. Which is very insulting...


My only guess is that they support radical Islam for the same reason they idolize Marxism and Maoism.

They all are diametrically opposed to traditional American Christian values, individual liberty and free market capitalism. All the ingredients that made this country great.


Everything just fits in a box with you doesn't it. No one defends the actions of radical terrorists. Trying to understand something is not the same as justifying or supporting. Ever heard the saying "walk a mile in my shoes."


Well, should we have spent time to 'understanding Hitler' or should we have done what we did. i.e., accepting that the world has evil in it and work to defeat such evil?

Why is it your side cannot accept the fact that there is evil in the world--except when it is perpetrated by "so-called" Christians? Ultimately, your side's 'reflection' and 'trying to understand' usually seems to result in America and our allies being blamed.
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Posted: 07 Nov 2009 08:41 am

jw0595 wrote

happy_san wrote

The custodial staff in my office building would have more intelligent things to say than the above two posts.


I love the assumption that you are smarter than your custodial staff. Why? Are they minorities? Maybe they are working on their Phd. at night.

Typical liberal arrogance.


Apparently, he doesn't have much respect for people that do honest hard work. It'll be funny one day if he has to pick up such a job to make ends meet. Then I'd like to see him spout about the intelligence level of the custodial staff.

Personally, I'd rather have the custodial staff, with their common sense and being able to relate to honest work represent me in Congress than your elistist know-it-all, know what is good for everyone type...
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Posted: 07 Nov 2009 08:56 am

RichieRichInStLouis wrote

jw0595 wrote

happy_san wrote

The custodial staff in my office building would have more intelligent things to say than the above two posts.


I love the assumption that you are smarter than your custodial staff. Why? Are they minorities? Maybe they are working on their Phd. at night.

Typical liberal arrogance.


Apparently, he doesn't have much respect for people that do honest hard work. It'll be funny one day if he has to pick up such a job to make ends meet. Then I'd like to see him spout about the intelligence level of the custodial staff.

Personally, I'd rather have the custodial staff, with their common sense and being able to relate to honest work represent me in Congress than your elistist know-it-all, know what is good for everyone type...


I believe in reading the statement that the assumption about the custodial staff's intelligence refers to the 2 posters above that post and not the person who posted it.

Most custodial staffers would be able to figure that out.
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