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Posted: 07 Nov 2009 07:25 am
Some from the far left media outlets are claiming that the poor murderer suffered from PTSD not because he actually was in combat or under that kind of stress, but because he treated so many that were.

Not so far off base.
Why not give this guy an illness before he contracted it?


After all, somebody gave his boss the Nobel Peace prize before he did anything to earn it.

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Posted: 07 Nov 2009 08:02 am
Why did Bush refuse to release a full and truthful report on a real hero.


(AP) Two influential lawmakers investigating how and when the Bush administration learned the circumstances of Pat Tillman's friendly-fire death and how those details were disclosed accused the White House and Pentagon on Friday of withholding key documents and renewed their demand for the material.

The White House and Defense Department have turned over nearly 10,000 pages of papers — mostly press clippings — but the White House cited "executive branch confidentiality interests" in refusing to provide other documents.

Tillman, a San Jose native, turned down a lucrative contract with the NFL's Arizona Cardinals to join the Army following the Sept. 11 attacks. He was killed April 22, 2004, by friendly fire in Afghanistan.

Although Pentagon investigators determined quickly that he was killed by his own troops, five weeks passed before the circumstances of his death were made public. During that time, the Army claimed he was killed by enemy fire.

Tillman's family and others have said they believe the erroneous information peddled by the Pentagon was part of a deliberate cover-up that reached all the way to President Bush and then-Secretary of Defense Donald H. Rumsfeld.

The White House has turned over nearly 1,100 pages of documents and the Defense Department nearly 8,500 pages since the committee requested information from them in April, part of an inquiry into why Tillman's family and the public were misled.

The committee made public a letter last month in which Fielding said the White House was holding back certain papers "because they implicate executive branch confidentiality interests."

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Posted: 07 Nov 2009 08:21 am

GOPerp wrote

Why did Bush refuse to release a full and truthful report on a real hero.


(AP) Two influential lawmakers investigating how and when the Bush administration learned the circumstances of Pat Tillman's friendly-fire death and how those details were disclosed accused the White House and Pentagon on Friday of withholding key documents and renewed their demand for the material.

The White House and Defense Department have turned over nearly 10,000 pages of papers — mostly press clippings — but the White House cited "executive branch confidentiality interests" in refusing to provide other documents.

Tillman, a San Jose native, turned down a lucrative contract with the NFL's Arizona Cardinals to join the Army following the Sept. 11 attacks. He was killed April 22, 2004, by friendly fire in Afghanistan.

Although Pentagon investigators determined quickly that he was killed by his own troops, five weeks passed before the circumstances of his death were made public. During that time, the Army claimed he was killed by enemy fire.

Tillman's family and others have said they believe the erroneous information peddled by the Pentagon was part of a deliberate cover-up that reached all the way to President Bush and then-Secretary of Defense Donald H. Rumsfeld.

The White House has turned over nearly 1,100 pages of documents and the Defense Department nearly 8,500 pages since the committee requested information from them in April, part of an inquiry into why Tillman's family and the public were misled.

The committee made public a letter last month in which Fielding said the White House was holding back certain papers "because they implicate executive branch confidentiality interests."


So, your response to a legitimate question about the MSM portraying murders as a result of PTSD before such a 'cause' could actually happen is to go into some unrelated political rant about Bush?

Furthermore, since you can't seem to positively defend your hero's actions/responses, you have to resort to tearing someone else down? That's pretty pathetic.

When will your side and the POTUS man up and take responsibility for anything less than positive?

So, much for post partisan...

How can you expect to be taken seriously?

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Posted: 07 Nov 2009 08:35 am

RichieRichInStLouis wrote

GOPerp wrote

Why did Bush refuse to release a full and truthful report on a real hero.


(AP) Two influential lawmakers investigating how and when the Bush administration learned the circumstances of Pat Tillman's friendly-fire death and how those details were disclosed accused the White House and Pentagon on Friday of withholding key documents and renewed their demand for the material.

The White House and Defense Department have turned over nearly 10,000 pages of papers — mostly press clippings — but the White House cited "executive branch confidentiality interests" in refusing to provide other documents.

Tillman, a San Jose native, turned down a lucrative contract with the NFL's Arizona Cardinals to join the Army following the Sept. 11 attacks. He was killed April 22, 2004, by friendly fire in Afghanistan.

Although Pentagon investigators determined quickly that he was killed by his own troops, five weeks passed before the circumstances of his death were made public. During that time, the Army claimed he was killed by enemy fire.

Tillman's family and others have said they believe the erroneous information peddled by the Pentagon was part of a deliberate cover-up that reached all the way to President Bush and then-Secretary of Defense Donald H. Rumsfeld.

The White House has turned over nearly 1,100 pages of documents and the Defense Department nearly 8,500 pages since the committee requested information from them in April, part of an inquiry into why Tillman's family and the public were misled.

The committee made public a letter last month in which Fielding said the White House was holding back certain papers "because they implicate executive branch confidentiality interests."


So, your response to a legitimate question about the MSM portraying murders as a result of PTSD before such a 'cause' could actually happen is to go into some unrelated political rant about Bush?

Furthermore, since you can't seem to positively defend your hero's actions/responses, you have to resort to tearing someone else down? That's pretty pathetic.

When will your side and the POTUS man up and take responsibility for anything less than positive?

So, much for post partisan...

How can you expect to be taken seriously?


Perp is not worth responding to. Just don't waste your time.

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Posted: 07 Nov 2009 09:33 am

RichieRichInStLouis wrote

GOPerp wrote

Why did Bush refuse to release a full and truthful report on a real hero.


(AP) Two influential lawmakers investigating how and when the Bush administration learned the circumstances of Pat Tillman's friendly-fire death and how those details were disclosed accused the White House and Pentagon on Friday of withholding key documents and renewed their demand for the material.

The White House and Defense Department have turned over nearly 10,000 pages of papers — mostly press clippings — but the White House cited "executive branch confidentiality interests" in refusing to provide other documents.

Tillman, a San Jose native, turned down a lucrative contract with the NFL's Arizona Cardinals to join the Army following the Sept. 11 attacks. He was killed April 22, 2004, by friendly fire in Afghanistan.

Although Pentagon investigators determined quickly that he was killed by his own troops, five weeks passed before the circumstances of his death were made public. During that time, the Army claimed he was killed by enemy fire.

Tillman's family and others have said they believe the erroneous information peddled by the Pentagon was part of a deliberate cover-up that reached all the way to President Bush and then-Secretary of Defense Donald H. Rumsfeld.

The White House has turned over nearly 1,100 pages of documents and the Defense Department nearly 8,500 pages since the committee requested information from them in April, part of an inquiry into why Tillman's family and the public were misled.

The committee made public a letter last month in which Fielding said the White House was holding back certain papers "because they implicate executive branch confidentiality interests."


So, your response to a legitimate question about the MSM portraying murders as a result of PTSD before such a 'cause' could actually happen is to go into some unrelated political rant about Bush?

Furthermore, since you can't seem to positively defend your hero's actions/responses, you have to resort to tearing someone else down? That's pretty pathetic.

When will your side and the POTUS man up and take responsibility for anything less than positive?

So, much for post partisan...

How can you expect to be taken seriously?


And you're not the least bit partisan? Rolling Eyes How can anyone take what you say seriously? Why can't you answer the question posed, afraid of the truth again? He was gunned down by friendly fire point blank range so why did his CO burn his uniform?

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Posted: 07 Nov 2009 09:43 am

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And you're not the least bit partisan? Rolling Eyes How can anyone take what you say seriously?


Why can't you stick to the topic?

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Posted: 07 Nov 2009 11:30 am

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Charles Figley holds an endowed professorship in disaster mental health and trauma at Tulane University. He is founding president of the International Society for Traumatic Stress Studies, founding editor of the “Journal of Traumatic Stress” and editor of “Traumatology.”

Exposure to case after case of combat-related stress injuries often has negative effects for the caregivers who handle these cases. Yet in many instances, those professionals (not to mention family members) do not get proper attention and care for their emotional needs.

Service branches are recognizing the extraordinary problems of secondary trauma on caregivers.

My research on secondary traumatic stress — defined as the consequent stress and emotions caused by helping a traumatized and suffering person — has found that the negative effects can be similar to those of primary exposure.

Military caregivers are especially vulnerable because (a) the high concentration of trauma patients they see; (b) inability to change jobs; (c) their focus is on readiness and keeping the troops sufficiently healthy to be re-deployed; (d) the expectation of being deployed (often multiple times), and; (e) the complexity of providing treatment while fighting the fear, stigma and embarrassment of active duty personnel who are forced to seek such treatment.

All branches of service recognize the extraordinary problems of secondary trauma and have implemented programs to help. The Army, for example, has the formed the Provider Resilience Training Program for this very purpose.

In many cases, the caregivers can suffer from intrusive imagery, avoidance of reminders and cues, hyperarousal, distressing emotions, and functional impairment including anxiety disorders.

In the most extreme cases, secondary stress may warrant a diagnosis of post-traumatic stress disorder. There are other names for this effect, including “compassion fatigue” and “vicarious trauma.” This is more than “burnout” or even anxiety caused by poor social support at a difficult workplace ...



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Laurie Anne Pearlman, a clinical psychologist, is a member of the complex trauma task force of the International Society for Traumatic Stress Studies.

Trauma treatment experts are increasingly aware of the potential negative effects of providing assistance to traumatized persons.

Even seasoned clinicians can, at times, need clinical help.

These effects can take any or all of the following forms: vicarious trauma (a personal transformation in the caregiver that results from engaging with and feeling a sense of responsibility for a traumatized patient or client), compassion fatigue (an exhaustion of the helper’s ability to respond compassionately), burnout (a gap between what the caregiver can give and what s/he is expected to give), and countertransference (an activation of the helper’s personal issues in response to a particular client or patient).



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Peter P. Vitaliano is a professor of psychiatry and behavioral sciences, psychology and health services at the University of Washington, Seattle.

Given the horrific events that took place on Thursday at Fort Hood, many are asking why and how this could have happened and if it could have been prevented.

Caregivers all bring their own vulnerabilities to their work.

There is no question that there is extensive research to suggest that full time caregivers, whether they are paid or not paid, are at risk for problems of their own ...

We don’t yet know all the facts about the Fort Hood gunman or his motives. News reports have indicated that he told relatives that other soldiers harassed. Many organizations that employ mental health workers have venues for them to express their feelings and to receive feedback. It is unclear if Dr. Hasan had ever articulated his beliefs to colleagues who could have helped him.

If he had been isolated, he may not have been able to express his beliefs and receive constructive feedback about their validity.

What we do know is that his situation was not unique. But his reported anxiety about deploying to a war for which he had counseled returning soldiers may have been a factor that made him snap.

His horrific action can’t be explained rationally. Still, the fact is, professional caregivers who have been trained to spot trouble in others are not necessarily able, when under stress and isolation, to see that they themselves need help.


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Posted: 07 Nov 2009 11:33 am

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Charles Figley holds an endowed professorship in disaster mental health and trauma at Tulane University. He is founding president of the International Society for Traumatic Stress Studies, founding editor of the “Journal of Traumatic Stress” and editor of “Traumatology.”

Exposure to case after case of combat-related stress injuries often has negative effects for the caregivers who handle these cases. Yet in many instances, those professionals (not to mention family members) do not get proper attention and care for their emotional needs.

Service branches are recognizing the extraordinary problems of secondary trauma on caregivers.

My research on secondary traumatic stress — defined as the consequent stress and emotions caused by helping a traumatized and suffering person — has found that the negative effects can be similar to those of primary exposure.

Military caregivers are especially vulnerable because (a) the high concentration of trauma patients they see; (b) inability to change jobs; (c) their focus is on readiness and keeping the troops sufficiently healthy to be re-deployed; (d) the expectation of being deployed (often multiple times), and; (e) the complexity of providing treatment while fighting the fear, stigma and embarrassment of active duty personnel who are forced to seek such treatment.

All branches of service recognize the extraordinary problems of secondary trauma and have implemented programs to help. The Army, for example, has the formed the Provider Resilience Training Program for this very purpose.

In many cases, the caregivers can suffer from intrusive imagery, avoidance of reminders and cues, hyperarousal, distressing emotions, and functional impairment including anxiety disorders.

In the most extreme cases, secondary stress may warrant a diagnosis of post-traumatic stress disorder. There are other names for this effect, including “compassion fatigue” and “vicarious trauma.” This is more than “burnout” or even anxiety caused by poor social support at a difficult workplace ...



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Laurie Anne Pearlman, a clinical psychologist, is a member of the complex trauma task force of the International Society for Traumatic Stress Studies.

Trauma treatment experts are increasingly aware of the potential negative effects of providing assistance to traumatized persons.

Even seasoned clinicians can, at times, need clinical help.

These effects can take any or all of the following forms: vicarious trauma (a personal transformation in the caregiver that results from engaging with and feeling a sense of responsibility for a traumatized patient or client), compassion fatigue (an exhaustion of the helper’s ability to respond compassionately), burnout (a gap between what the caregiver can give and what s/he is expected to give), and countertransference (an activation of the helper’s personal issues in response to a particular client or patient).



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Peter P. Vitaliano is a professor of psychiatry and behavioral sciences, psychology and health services at the University of Washington, Seattle.

Given the horrific events that took place on Thursday at Fort Hood, many are asking why and how this could have happened and if it could have been prevented.

Caregivers all bring their own vulnerabilities to their work.

There is no question that there is extensive research to suggest that full time caregivers, whether they are paid or not paid, are at risk for problems of their own ...

We don’t yet know all the facts about the Fort Hood gunman or his motives. News reports have indicated that he told relatives that other soldiers harassed. Many organizations that employ mental health workers have venues for them to express their feelings and to receive feedback. It is unclear if Dr. Hasan had ever articulated his beliefs to colleagues who could have helped him.

If he had been isolated, he may not have been able to express his beliefs and receive constructive feedback about their validity.

What we do know is that his situation was not unique. But his reported anxiety about deploying to a war for which he had counseled returning soldiers may have been a factor that made him snap.

His horrific action can’t be explained rationally. Still, the fact is, professional caregivers who have been trained to spot trouble in others are not necessarily able, when under stress and isolation, to see that they themselves need help.





This guy methodically planned these murders over days/weeks. This was not some sudden reaction that he couldn't help. It's called premeditation.

Send your thesis to the families and see how far that gets ya.

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Posted: 07 Nov 2009 11:36 am

tarawa wrote

Ranger1 wrote

And you're not the least bit partisan? Rolling Eyes How can anyone take what you say seriously?


Why can't you stick to the topic?


When you create a topic that isn't so full of bs that it turned the background on my screen brown. You post speculative opinions with zero to minimal true and accurate info and expect people to accept it as fact? You've got other posters like Richie who went off topic, did you tell them to stay on topic? No.

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Posted: 07 Nov 2009 11:37 am

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Charles Figley holds an endowed professorship in disaster mental health and trauma at Tulane University. He is founding president of the International Society for Traumatic Stress Studies, founding editor of the “Journal of Traumatic Stress” and editor of “Traumatology.”

Exposure to case after case of combat-related stress injuries often has negative effects for the caregivers who handle these cases. Yet in many instances, those professionals (not to mention family members) do not get proper attention and care for their emotional needs.

Service branches are recognizing the extraordinary problems of secondary trauma on caregivers.

My research on secondary traumatic stress — defined as the consequent stress and emotions caused by helping a traumatized and suffering person — has found that the negative effects can be similar to those of primary exposure.

Military caregivers are especially vulnerable because (a) the high concentration of trauma patients they see; (b) inability to change jobs; (c) their focus is on readiness and keeping the troops sufficiently healthy to be re-deployed; (d) the expectation of being deployed (often multiple times), and; (e) the complexity of providing treatment while fighting the fear, stigma and embarrassment of active duty personnel who are forced to seek such treatment.

All branches of service recognize the extraordinary problems of secondary trauma and have implemented programs to help. The Army, for example, has the formed the Provider Resilience Training Program for this very purpose.

In many cases, the caregivers can suffer from intrusive imagery, avoidance of reminders and cues, hyperarousal, distressing emotions, and functional impairment including anxiety disorders.

In the most extreme cases, secondary stress may warrant a diagnosis of post-traumatic stress disorder. There are other names for this effect, including “compassion fatigue” and “vicarious trauma.” This is more than “burnout” or even anxiety caused by poor social support at a difficult workplace ...



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Laurie Anne Pearlman, a clinical psychologist, is a member of the complex trauma task force of the International Society for Traumatic Stress Studies.

Trauma treatment experts are increasingly aware of the potential negative effects of providing assistance to traumatized persons.

Even seasoned clinicians can, at times, need clinical help.

These effects can take any or all of the following forms: vicarious trauma (a personal transformation in the caregiver that results from engaging with and feeling a sense of responsibility for a traumatized patient or client), compassion fatigue (an exhaustion of the helper’s ability to respond compassionately), burnout (a gap between what the caregiver can give and what s/he is expected to give), and countertransference (an activation of the helper’s personal issues in response to a particular client or patient).



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Peter P. Vitaliano is a professor of psychiatry and behavioral sciences, psychology and health services at the University of Washington, Seattle.

Given the horrific events that took place on Thursday at Fort Hood, many are asking why and how this could have happened and if it could have been prevented.

Caregivers all bring their own vulnerabilities to their work.

There is no question that there is extensive research to suggest that full time caregivers, whether they are paid or not paid, are at risk for problems of their own ...

We don’t yet know all the facts about the Fort Hood gunman or his motives. News reports have indicated that he told relatives that other soldiers harassed. Many organizations that employ mental health workers have venues for them to express their feelings and to receive feedback. It is unclear if Dr. Hasan had ever articulated his beliefs to colleagues who could have helped him.

If he had been isolated, he may not have been able to express his beliefs and receive constructive feedback about their validity.

What we do know is that his situation was not unique. But his reported anxiety about deploying to a war for which he had counseled returning soldiers may have been a factor that made him snap.

His horrific action can’t be explained rationally. Still, the fact is, professional caregivers who have been trained to spot trouble in others are not necessarily able, when under stress and isolation, to see that they themselves need help.



Thanks for the clips. I was listening to NPR yesterday and they were saying similar things. I think what blows people's minds the most is when Psychiatrist go nuts. We almost view that as an impossibility.

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Posted: 07 Nov 2009 11:38 am

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When you create a topic that isn't so full of bs that it turned the background on my screen brown.


Oh, so that's what's causing it! Shocked Laughing

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Posted: 07 Nov 2009 11:47 am

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Thanks for the clips. I was listening to NPR yesterday and they were saying similar things. I think what blows people's minds the most is when Psychiatrist go nuts. We almost view that as an impossibility.


Psychologists, psychiatrists, and social workers all tend to be dragged down by their work. Unlike, say, the succesful work of a heart surgeon or of a BMW mechanic, the mentally ill or socially desperate are rarely if ever "cured", so there's little job satisfaction among their caregivers. I read a long article on the topic a few years ago, and I've mentioned it to all my nieces and nephews as they decide on careers. I also mention that if you work in a correctional facility, you spend as many (or more) hours in "the big house" as prisoners do, and if you work in law enforcement, you spend most of your days and nights in the company of crooks and low-lifes.

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