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Post subject: It's time for Mr. Stinkel to go...he's plateaued
Posted: 07 Nov 2009 16:17 pm
Zero TDs for the offense in the 2nd half of Big 12 games this year.

A defense that allows 40 points to Baylor?!

Sorry, Gary, you did well and took the program up several notches. But you obviously are not going to take this program any higher.

Your game-day coaching is putrid, as is that of every assistant.

It's time for you to head to the University of Washington and for Missouri to find a coach who can make adjustments and teach basic defense. And a coach who can install a decent running game not predicated on handoffs 10 yards behind the line.
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Post subject: Re: It's time for Mr. Stinkel to go...he's plateaued
Posted: 07 Nov 2009 16:30 pm

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Zero TDs for the offense in the 2nd half of Big 12 games this year.

A defense that allows 40 points to Baylor?!

Sorry, Gary, you did well and took the program up several notches. But you obviously are not going to take this program any higher.

Your game-day coaching is putrid, as is that of every assistant.

It's time for you to head to the University of Washington and for Missouri to find a coach who can make adjustments and teach basic defense. And a coach who can install a decent running game not predicated on handoffs 10 yards behind the line.


This game is proof of what a weak non-conference schedule can do. Plus, whatever happened to fullbacks and why hassn't Mizzou had one for the last several years.
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Post subject: Re: It's time for Mr. Stinkel to go...he's plateaued
Posted: 07 Nov 2009 16:41 pm
This is just what we have to learn to get used to during rebuilding years. We had one of the worst defenses in Div 1 last year, and it will take awhile for the defense to improve. Just because Baylor had not won a conference game doesn't mean they are not really good.
I just hope if they rearrange the conference that we don't end up in the Big 12 South.
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Post subject: Re: It's time for Mr. Stinkel to go...he's plateaued
Posted: 07 Nov 2009 16:45 pm
Look at what Bill Snyder has done with mediocre talent at KSU. That it what a good coach is. Gets the most out of their talent.
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Post subject: Re: It's time for Mr. Stinkel to go...he's plateaued
Posted: 07 Nov 2009 16:45 pm

MIZZOU72 wrote

This is just what we have to learn to get used to during rebuilding years. We had one of the worst defenses in Div 1 last year, and it will take awhile for the defense to improve. Just because Baylor had not won a conference game doesn't mean they are not really good.
I just hope if they rearrange the conference that we don't end up in the Big 12 South.


You mean you think we're rebuilding? With this coaching staff? Let's get real. And Baylor is bad. Very bad. It's just that we're worse. The ku game ought to be outlawed. Might be the ugliest football game ever played in the Big 12 conf.
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Post subject: Re: It's time for Mr. Stinkel to go...he's plateaued
Posted: 07 Nov 2009 16:49 pm

StlFanInAlbany wrote

Look at what Bill Snyder has done with mediocre talent at KSU. That it what a good coach is. Gets the most out of their talent.


There is no excuse for how this team has played in the second half in these conf games. None whatsoever. You're right, a decent coach could have won a couple more games with this team.
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Posted: 07 Nov 2009 17:01 pm
No excuse for Mizzou's multiple second half collapses. They are flat out being out-coached. Crying or Very sad
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Post subject: Re: It's time for Mr. Stinkel to go...he's plateaued
Posted: 07 Nov 2009 17:02 pm

StlFanInAlbany wrote

Look at what Bill Snyder has done with mediocre talent at KSU. That it what a good coach is. Gets the most out of their talent.


Albany-you're 100% right. We need a new OC and a new DC. And to tell you the blunt truth, we probably need a new HC. Pinkel and his staff just can't make 2nd half adjustments. This is a TERRIBLE loss. This is on the head coach and the rest of the coaching staff. Shameful.
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Post subject: Re: It's time for Mr. Stinkel to go...he's plateaued
Posted: 07 Nov 2009 17:28 pm
For the life of me I can't understand why this team keeps falling apart in the 2nd half. They looked unstoppable and then all of a sudden the 3rd Qtr. starts and it's we have nothing. The defense was horrible today but the offense once again was useless after 2 qtrs. Not 1 2nd half TD scored yet in Big 12 play. Gary Pinkel is a loyal guy but he needs to start thinking longterm. His coaches are not getting it done. Baylor scored more points today than they have in their previous 3 combined. Just poor all around coaching.
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Post subject: Re: It's time for Mr. Stinkel to go...he's plateaued
Posted: 07 Nov 2009 17:28 pm
Sorry for the "rebuilding" comments, however, if I wrote what I really thought, most posters would accuse me of not being a real Mizzou fan.

Pinkel has never been given high marks by anyone that I have heard regarding his coaching ability. In fact, just the opposite has been stated on the pregame shows I have watched.

However, there has been this on-going dialogue regarding how bad its been the past 20 plus years and how happy we should be to have Pinkle because he has steadied the ship.

Frankly speaking, I thought last year-with all the talent we had coming back- was an example of our coaching challenges.

However, I know many posters will suggest we should be very happy with a big OT win over Northwestern and move on to our rebuilding.
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Post subject: Re: It's time for Mr. Stinkel to go...he's plateaued
Posted: 07 Nov 2009 17:36 pm

MIZZOU72 wrote

Sorry for the "rebuilding" comments, however, if I wrote what I really thought, most posters would accuse me of not being a real Mizzou fan.

Pinkel has never been given high marks by anyone that I have heard regarding his coaching ability. In fact, just the opposite has been stated on the pregame shows I have watched.

However, there has been this on-going dialogue regarding how bad its been the past 20 plus years and how happy we should be to have Pinkle because he has steadied the ship.

Frankly speaking, I thought last year-with all the talent we had coming back- was an example of our coaching challenges.

However, I know many posters will suggest we should be very happy with a big OT win over Northwestern and move on to our rebuilding.


Last year, Pinkel clearly showed signs of what was to come this year. Missouri is not going to sneak up on anybody anymore. The ambush wins are history. And last year, with all the talent he had, there is no way they should have lost to KU in KC or OSU at home. Just a complete failure by our coaches in both games.
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Post subject: Re: It's time for Mr. Stinkel to go...he's plateaued
Posted: 07 Nov 2009 17:50 pm
Several years ago I posted that GP had plateaued. This was right before he was given a contract extension and then lost to Iowa St. I was so angry because I thought we should cut Gary loose and go after Butch Davis who it turned out wound up signing with North Carolina later that same year.


Well, I'm getting the same feeling now. However, when this happened a few years ago GP made some changes to his style and the program and things improved. I think it's time for another change Gary. Once every four or five years is about all GP can do and I hope that the change in coordinators doesn't count in his mind because it sure didn't make a difference on the field. Same predictable play calling. Same lack of adjustments.

The defense is broken. It can't be tweeked. It has proven to be slightly above average when it's running at it's best and very bad at when running poorly.

The offense is one dimensional. When the passing game is shutdown (which is not hard to do) there is no running game to fall back on.

The coaching is pretty poor as has been discussed. GP and crew come up with a game plan at the beginning of the season and stick with it rain or shine. The only change they make is to stop running when they get behind and once they do that the game is lost.

Recruiting had a problem where we are left with no backup QB. After the Illinois game I was sure that BG was ready to play but quite honestly I'm not sure that it wouldn't be better to have a Senior QB that was just capable of moving the offense without throwing the ball away (and run the ball) and let BG redshirt last year and be ready to start next year.

The team plays soft. The offense is designed to run around people or throw over people. The defense plays a bend but don't break style in which it frequently breaks. This is football, you have to take it to the other team physically or else they'll take it to you. It's funny that a Pinkel lead team plays soft since GP was the college teammate of one of the most intense and physical NFL players of all time. You'd think GP would have learned from that.
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