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Posted: 07 Nov 2009 10:22 am
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Posted: 07 Nov 2009 10:44 am

g0cardz wrote

u r welcome

i'm gonna have a BA in philosophy once this semester is over.

here's what i go by when i think about good and bad:

On Aristotle's view plants and animals are cardinal examples of natural existents, because they have a nature in the sense of an internal causal principle which explains how it comes into being and behaves (Phys. II.1.192b32-3). For example, an acorn has an inherent tendency to grow into an oak tree, so that the tree exists by nature rather than by craft or by chance. The thesis that human beings have a natural function has a fundamental place in the Eudemian Ethics II.1, Nicomachean Ethics I.7,

The principle of perfection Aristotle understands good and evil in terms of his teleology. The natural end of the organism (and the means to this end) is good for it, and what defeats or impedes this end is bad. For example, he argues that animals sleep in order to preserve themselves, because "nature operates for the sake of an end, and this is a good," and sleeping is necessary and beneficial for entities which cannot move continuously (De Somno 2.455b17-22). For human beings the ultimate good or happiness (eudaimonia) consists in perfection, the full attainment of their natural function, which Aristotle analyzes as the activity of the soul according to reason (or not without reason), i.e., activity in accordance with the most perfect virtue or excellence (EN I.7.1098a7-17). This ideal is to be realized in both the individual and the city-state: "that way of life is best, both separately for each individual and in common for city-states, which is equipped with virtue" (Pol. VII.1.1323b40-1324a1).
Aristotle's perfectionism was opposed to the subjective relativism of Protagoras, according to which good and evil is defined by whatever human beings happened to desire. Like Plato, Aristotle maintained that the good was objective and independent of human wishes. However, he rejected Plato's own theory that the good was defined in terms of a transcendent form of the good, holding instead that good and evil are in a way relative to the organism, that is, to its natural end.


I personally prefer Socrates, although he never really touched much upon a definition of good.

As for Aristotles, I respectfully disagree that nature operates for the sake of anything. The argument begs for some sort of Great Designer, an entirely different discussion. I much prefer Popper's argument that nature can be neither good or bad, it is morally neutral.

But Aristotles was at least more convincing than Plato, who after taking Heraclitus' "Everything is flux," and positing that the only true good was the original Form or Idea, had to hold that the only good is that which does not change. . . which is to say that everything that changes is bad. . . which is to say, everything in the world is bad. Pretty silly position IMO.

But congrats on your BA. My wife, who's a professor of philosophy, tells me they're not too hard to come by.

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Posted: 07 Nov 2009 22:26 pm

g0cardz wrote

u r welcome

i'm gonna have a BA in philosophy once this semester is over.

here's what i go by when i think about good and bad:

On Aristotle's view plants and animals are cardinal examples of natural existents, because they have a nature in the sense of an internal causal principle which explains how it comes into being and behaves (Phys. II.1.192b32-3). For example, an acorn has an inherent tendency to grow into an oak tree, so that the tree exists by nature rather than by craft or by chance. The thesis that human beings have a natural function has a fundamental place in the Eudemian Ethics II.1, Nicomachean Ethics I.7,

The principle of perfection Aristotle understands good and evil in terms of his teleology. The natural end of the organism (and the means to this end) is good for it, and what defeats or impedes this end is bad. For example, he argues that animals sleep in order to preserve themselves, because "nature operates for the sake of an end, and this is a good," and sleeping is necessary and beneficial for entities which cannot move continuously (De Somno 2.455b17-22). For human beings the ultimate good or happiness (eudaimonia) consists in perfection, the full attainment of their natural function, which Aristotle analyzes as the activity of the soul according to reason (or not without reason), i.e., activity in accordance with the most perfect virtue or excellence (EN I.7.1098a7-17). This ideal is to be realized in both the individual and the city-state: "that way of life is best, both separately for each individual and in common for city-states, which is equipped with virtue" (Pol. VII.1.1323b40-1324a1).
Aristotle's perfectionism was opposed to the subjective relativism of Protagoras, according to which good and evil is defined by whatever human beings happened to desire. Like Plato, Aristotle maintained that the good was objective and independent of human wishes. However, he rejected Plato's own theory that the good was defined in terms of a transcendent form of the good, holding instead that good and evil are in a way relative to the organism, that is, to its natural end.


Or as another great philosopher said "You can't fix stupid."

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Posted: 07 Nov 2009 23:20 pm
For the people who dont smoke it (mainly because they are afraid to ask around because its illegal), well I dont blame you but just know that you only live once and that weed makes EVERYTHING better: music, food, parties, movies, sex etc. the list goes on and on.

The flavors and variety of pot these days are through the roof. As of right now I have Hydroponic Blueberry, Grapefruit Punch, Northern Lights and Bubble gum. Now tell me you wouldn't want to toke on some flavors like that? and feel good for around 3 hours or so. O and did I mention it helps you go to sleep and makes outdoor activities a whole lot funner. Its been around since before we can imagine, the Egyptians, Myans, Greeks and almost every other ancient civilization categorized it as medicine and used it for social events and gatherings.

Marijuana isn't legal because the Government is scared that they couldn't control the trade of it and thus not be able to tax it.

I am for the the legalization of pot and I toke it everyday after my college classes and I maintain around a 4.0
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Posted: 07 Nov 2009 23:27 pm
I know I would be alot more happier having the Cards celebrate by all throwing joints around rather than beer that could blind them for ever, especially if your so drunk you fall over and break you neck. But with weed they would be so cautious to even do anything lol they would only be worried about the next game and laughing the whole time about it. Laughing

It would bring them all closer if they all smoked weed.

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Posted: 08 Nov 2009 00:23 am
Hey g0cardz,

congrats on your BA in philosophy...

can you say, "want fries with that?"

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Posted: 08 Nov 2009 06:20 am

Chief Wreck wrote

For the people who dont smoke it (mainly because they are afraid to ask around because its illegal), well I dont blame you but just know that you only live once and that weed makes EVERYTHING better: music, food, parties, movies, sex etc. the list goes on and on.

The flavors and variety of pot these days are through the roof. As of right now I have Hydroponic Blueberry, Grapefruit Punch, Northern Lights and Bubble gum. Now tell me you wouldn't want to toke on some flavors like that? and feel good for around 3 hours or so. O and did I mention it helps you go to sleep and makes outdoor activities a whole lot funner. Its been around since before we can imagine, the Egyptians, Myans, Greeks and almost every other ancient civilization categorized it as medicine and used it for social events and gatherings.

Marijuana isn't legal because the Government is scared that they couldn't control the trade of it and thus not be able to tax it.

I am for the the legalization of pot and I toke it everyday after my college classes and I maintain around a 4.0
Wink


I've known a lot of pot heads in my life. Either you're lying your :!: off...or you have the easiest college class load available at an online college to maintain that 4.0.

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Posted: 08 Nov 2009 18:41 pm

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Alcohol is the most destructive drug in the history of mankind because it is so socially acceptable. So you will excuse me for being angry if they punish anyone for smoking pot or taking any other non-PED.
Last time I checked, beer was not illegal.
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Posted: 08 Nov 2009 19:02 pm
I still think most people are missing the point. I have similar issues with the double standards of alcohol being legal. That's what the point of this thread was ... the double standard of alcohol being legal and marijuana illegal.

No one has EVER died from being too high ( no matter what story your friend told you ), while people die every day just from drinking too much alcohol.

"Fine wine" or any alcohol can be consumed in moderation, as can smoking marijuana. But, so many people are either just set in their ways or completely ignorant to the actual facts of marijuana that there's no point arguing ... it's like all of us trying to take a stand on abortion in a discussion, no one's gonna win that argument.

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