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Post subject: Re: Strauss:A Soriano contract will not get it done for Holliday
Posted: 05 Nov 2009 16:39 pm
....I am not sure why this is shocking news.

This has been well known for quite some time by fans that live in reality.
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Post subject: Re: Strauss:A Soriano contract will not get it done for Holliday
Posted: 05 Nov 2009 17:16 pm
I have never believed the Cardinals would make a realistic effort to sign Holliday. I don't believe the Cardinals GM is capable of negotiating and coming out ahead with a high stakes FA.

I find it hard to believe, however that the terms for Holliday will exceed 6 years with possible option. I'm having trouble recalling the last time Joe Strauss had what turned out to be reliable figures for a free agent.

I believe the Redsox would prefer another bat than Jason Bay. They attempted to sign him to a generous offer and he wouldn't do it. If they don't want to pay Boras/Holliday pricetag I see them trading for a slugger.
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Post subject: Re: Strauss:A Soriano contract will not get it done for Holliday
Posted: 05 Nov 2009 17:18 pm
We threw the dice hoping to win it all.

Didn't work.

Such is life.
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Post subject: Re: Strauss:A Soriano contract will not get it done for Holl
Posted: 05 Nov 2009 17:27 pm

Justin in Columbia wrote

Joe Strauss is on the Fast Lane and said he has heard from several people that the Cards have not made a real deal to Matt Holliday, as opposed to the report of 6/$96 million.

Said that number won't even come close to what he gets because Holliday is the most marketable player this year.

Said an Alfonso Soriano contract will not get it done. Soriano signed for 8 yrs/$136 million


Strauss changes daily. He's the one that put out the 6/96 report yesterday on his chat. Rolling Eyes
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Post subject: Re: Strauss:A Soriano contract will not get it done for Holliday
Posted: 05 Nov 2009 17:41 pm

KBF wrote

We threw the dice hoping to win it all.

Didn't work.

Such is life.


I'd have to agree completely with you. The question is, did they (Card Ownership) throw the dice or as Strauss has phrased it, "went all in on last season", with the knowledge that they won't be able to land top tier free agents longterm.

I believe this was their thinking. They wanted to take a shot at it, albeit if only for one season--and I don't blame them for doing so. They figured they could appease this fan base, by showing an effort to win now, and with a little luck, maybe land an NL or World Championship.

Their plan last year "should've" worked better than it did. They figured if they acquired Holliday, even for half a season, along with Derosa, and already having Pujols, Carpenter, & Wainright, they at minimum advance to the NL Championship series. With that talent it "should've" occured. But this club failed miserably to produce at crunch time. No one can understand how or why, this presumably potent lineup struggled offensively night after night--for 3 months.

Now ownership is left with egg on its face. That coming from the giant egg the club layed in the playoffs. Yet all these primadonna's like Holliday can do, is tell the world how they're worth a kings ransom. Holliday fell asleep at the wheel, at the most crucial moment for our ballclub. He probably will get the contract he's seeking. But whether or not he's worth that money, is a far bigger question. Judging by what he did for us in the playoffs, he's a bust.

And all Pujols can do is threaten to bolt, if we don't provide the adequate protection. Here's a bulletin for you El Hombre: WE GAVE YOU THE NECESSARY PROTECTION YOU'VE LOBBIED FOR LAST SEASON, yet you and your mates did nothing with it.
With due respect to JFK, don't ask what your ballclub can do for you, ask what you can do for your ballclub.
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Post subject: Re: Strauss:A Soriano contract will not get it done for Holl
Posted: 05 Nov 2009 21:17 pm

Justin in Columbia wrote

Joe Strauss is on the Fast Lane and said he has heard from several people that the Cards have not made a real deal to Matt Holliday, as opposed to the report of 6/$96 million.

Said that number won't even come close to what he gets because Holliday is the most marketable player this year.

Said an Alfonso Soriano contract will not get it done. Soriano signed for 8 yrs/$136 million


Then Holliday can go elsewhere. His defense is NOT the greatest and you never know how he will perform in the playoffs (see ARod all those years stinkin' in the playoffs). He can leave, but the Cardinals got screwed, giving up Wallace for three months of Holliday.
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Posted: 05 Nov 2009 21:33 pm

mizzoufootball wrote

He can leave, but the Cardinals got screwed, giving up Wallace for three months of Holliday.


The Cardinals were certain he was the missing piece of an NL pennant winner. It's hard to get screwed when you're doing all the dealing. Life will go on, although in the hulking shadow of the Phillies, for sure.
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Posted: 05 Nov 2009 21:39 pm
Wow that's a lot of money... but here's the plan:

Everyone needs to choose between either lemonade stands or car washes and we might be able to raise enough to sign him for a week of Spring Training.
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Posted: 05 Nov 2009 22:32 pm

mubobby wrote

We aren't going to get either one.

DeRosa will see alot of time in LF. Craig and Freese will make the team

Offense will be mediocre, and hopefully they put the remaining funds into the pitching staff (starter and closer)


Sadly this is most likely. So i hope its one He** of starter/closer.
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Post subject: Re: Strauss:A Soriano contract will not get it done for Holliday
Posted: 05 Nov 2009 23:27 pm
Holliday is/was never going to resign. the cards lost that opportunity when they didnt insist on a 48 hour negotiating period before the trade could be finalized.
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Post subject: Re: Strauss:A Soriano contract will not get it done for Holliday
Posted: 06 Nov 2009 01:03 am

cardsfan1984 wrote

Well than he isn't coming back I guess.

The Cardinals aren't going to be a championship caliber team next season without him, and since they don't have the elite prospects to replace him through trade we won't be seeing a deus ex machina situation playing out either. But they shouldn't be giving a really good player, superstar caliber dollars and destroying this teams payroll flexibility for seven or eight years.


The Cardinals weren't a championship caliber team with him.
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Post subject: Re: Strauss:A Soriano contract will not get it done for Holliday
Posted: 08 Nov 2009 00:35 am

tgharris wrote

cardsfan1984 wrote

Well than he isn't coming back I guess.

The Cardinals aren't going to be a championship caliber team next season without him, and since they don't have the elite prospects to replace him through trade we won't be seeing a deus ex machina situation playing out either. But they shouldn't be giving a really good player, superstar caliber dollars and destroying this teams payroll flexibility for seven or eight years.


The Cardinals weren't a championship caliber team with him.


Good point. That's why i really don't understand why Mo has already annoited Freese as the 3rd basemen next year. The offense stunk in the second half, i really don't see Freese as a slam dunk offensive improvement for next year. If Holliday goes, then they need to greatly improve their offensive production for a number of positions so they can be a championshiip caliber team next year.
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