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opti mist
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Post subject: Heart and Soul on McGwire
Posted: 09 Nov 2009 09:48 am
I loved watching Mark McGwire hit the ball.
He was huge, and he BASHED the baseball. I went early to a game for batting practice just to see him. His performance in the HR derby in Boston was awesome. His chase of the HR record with Sosa was dramatic.
BUT, you knew something was going on. YOU knew it; I knew it, LaRussa knew it; BASEBALL knew it. But we all enjoyed it. It was what it was.
I did not feel cheated or manipulated or dismayed. Really, it was what it was, and YOU knew it.
So now all the hypocrites want to step forward and say he should be banned from baseball; that he should not be associated with the Cardinals. Blah, blah, blah!
Listen, I went along with the whole charade and loved to watch him play; so I am not turning on him now. So, what would I like to see happen?
Really, he needs to fess up and try to move forward. He cannot do this without telling the truth. Who has told the truth and not been allowed to move forward? Even Arod bit the bullet and moved on. Pete Rose ….. after how many years of denial.
It is those that hold out who are ostracized—Roger Clemens anyone?
Mark: come clean and move on. We all know what you did, and the questions will dog you until you finally just admit it. Denial is hopeless and will burden the Cardinals in 2010.
I loved watching Mark McGwire hit the ball.
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Post subject: Re: Heart and Soul on McGwire
Posted: 09 Nov 2009 10:28 am
When is he going to talk?? I'm interested in what he is going to say. I'm a fan and I hope this works out for him and the team.
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Post subject: Re: Heart and Soul on McGwire
Posted: 09 Nov 2009 10:36 am

opti mist wrote

I loved watching Mark McGwire hit the ball.
He was huge, and he BASHED the baseball. I went early to a game for batting practice just to see him. His performance in the HR derby in Boston was awesome. His chase of the HR record with Sosa was dramatic.
BUT, you knew something was going on. YOU knew it; I knew it, LaRussa knew it; BASEBALL knew it. But we all enjoyed it. It was what it was.
I did not feel cheated or manipulated or dismayed. Really, it was what it was, and YOU knew it.
So now all the hypocrites want to step forward and say he should be banned from baseball; that he should not be associated with the Cardinals. Blah, blah, blah!
Listen, I went along with the whole charade and loved to watch him play; so I am not turning on him now. So, what would I like to see happen?
Really, he needs to fess up and try to move forward. He cannot do this without telling the truth. Who has told the truth and not been allowed to move forward? Even Arod bit the bullet and moved on. Pete Rose ….. after how many years of denial.
It is those that hold out who are ostracized—Roger Clemens anyone?
Mark: come clean and move on. We all know what you did, and the questions will dog you until you finally just admit it. Denial is hopeless and will burden the Cardinals in 2010.
I loved watching Mark McGwire hit the ball.
Opti


I didn't know it, so please stop shouting in my face.
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Post subject: Re: Heart and Soul on McGwire
Posted: 09 Nov 2009 10:54 am
Completely agree. I knew before he was a Cardinal. My dad and I actually talked about this when he first became a Card. Then he admitted to taking Andro and it confirmed the fact that he was using something. But I knew it was a little bit more than Andro. I loved watching him play, recorded every at bat after he had a ton of homeruns by the all star break, and cheered for him in my living room when I heard "touch first base Mark, you are the new homerun king!" I won't ever forget that summer, and I will alway hope that Mark succeeds. Fessing up to what he did, or not, it doesn't matter............

Welcome back Mac Attack....welcome back......
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Post subject: Re: Heart and Soul on McGwire
Posted: 09 Nov 2009 10:55 am

gentlereader wrote

opti mist wrote

I loved watching Mark McGwire hit the ball.
BUT, you knew something was going on. YOU knew it; I knew it, LaRussa knew it; BASEBALL knew it. But we all enjoyed it. It was what it was.
Mark: come clean and move on. We all know what you did, and the questions will dog you until you finally just admit it. Denial is hopeless and will burden the Cardinals in 2010.
I loved watching Mark McGwire hit the ball.
Opti


I didn't know it, so please stop shouting in my face.


You are a "gentle" reader if you think he is shouting.

Well said, opti. I was proud of Mac but VERY aware of what was probably going on. My awareness was heightened when he & the great Sammy Sosa were going after it. For Pete's sake, Brady Anderson finished *9th* in the MVP after his 50 HR/110 RBI season in 1996 - 9th!!! Barry Bonds hit more than 42 HRs only ONCE before 2000 but then hit 49-73-46-45-45 HRs AFTER HE WAS 35 YO!!! Why the targeted shock & outrage about Mac?
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Posted: 09 Nov 2009 11:38 am
Oh wow... we have real evidence now about steroid usage past Andro.

Link please!
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Post subject: Re: Heart and Soul on McGwire
Posted: 09 Nov 2009 11:46 am
I totally agree with redbird - welcome back Mac - teach the boys to hit better and I will be very happy. Past is past - glad to see you back in baseball and in a Cardinal's uniform.
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Post subject: Re: Heart and Soul on McGwire
Posted: 09 Nov 2009 12:47 pm
gentlereader and dadams982:

Did OJ murder is wife?

Denial is not a legitimate option.

McGwire will never be able to put the past behind him and move on without first addressing the issue honestly. If he does not, this issue will dog both him and LaRussa. Tony will get all kinds of indignent because of the continued questions, and this will be a major distraction for the team.

I predict they will both resign if McGwire does not come clean.

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Post subject: Re: Heart and Soul on McGwire
Posted: 09 Nov 2009 12:50 pm

opti mist wrote

gentlereader and dadams982:

Did OJ murder is wife?

Denial is not a legitimate option.

McGwire will never be able to put the past behind him and move on without first addressing the issue honestly. If he does not, this issue will dog both him and LaRussa. Tony will get all kinds of indignent because of the continued questions, and this will be a major distraction for the team.

I predict they will both resign if McGwire does not come clean.

Opti


Nice... all though you are comparing Apples to Refrigerators here.

I asked for you to present evidence to the case. Something that was provided to the OJ case... here... not so much. Just a bunch of blow hards guilting before proving guilt.
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Post subject: Re: Heart and Soul on McGwire
Posted: 09 Nov 2009 13:10 pm
Seems that many OP's believe that if MacGuire bares his soul and admits to using PED's beyond Andro, it will be a catharsis for him and baseball.

Suppose he admits to only Andro and hard work in the weight room. Is he dismissed as a liar, a scoundrel, or is he taken for his word.

In either case, he looses. In either case the story will eventually fade, unless actual proof is forthcoming.

I find it hard to believe that with so many users of PED's in BB, more evidence hasn't come out. But then I don't believe in the Kennedy conspiracy, or Lincoln's either.
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Post subject: Re: Heart and Soul on McGwire
Posted: 09 Nov 2009 13:16 pm

NJ Cards Fan wrote


I find it hard to believe that with so many users of PED's in BB, more evidence hasn't come out. But then I don't believe in the Kennedy conspiracy, or Lincoln's either.


Lee Harvey "Lone Gunman" Oswald? Shah. You only have to watch the Zapruder film to rid your mind of that fairy tale.
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Post subject: Re: Heart and Soul on McGwire
Posted: 09 Nov 2009 13:23 pm

NJ Cards Fan wrote

Seems that many OP's believe that if MacGuire bares his soul and admits to using PED's beyond Andro, it will be a catharsis for him and baseball.

Suppose he admits to only Andro and hard work in the weight room. Is he dismissed as a liar, a scoundrel, or is he taken for his word.

In either case, he looses. In either case the story will eventually fade, unless actual proof is forthcoming.

I find it hard to believe that with so many users of PED's in BB, more evidence hasn't come out. But then I don't believe in the Kennedy conspiracy, or Lincoln's either.


Agreed. Everything will be Rainbows and Lollipops if only Big Mac admits to STEROIDS... not Andro (Which is 100% capable of said effects being attained through the two step process conversion to its host hormone) for all parties involved.... MLB... Big Mac.. LaRussa... that guy in centerfield that video tapes the strike zone so you know the ump is jipping the batter. Yeah.
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