bleedblu17
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Post subject: Re: Visiting recruits at the Baylor Failure....
Posted: 09 Nov 2009 16:21 pm
packman wrote
mizzouman38 wrote
edwin drood wrote
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Recruits commit based on relationships with coaches, future teammates, facilities, academics, parent's wishes, etc, etc. In fact, a sub-par performance might make them think they will have an immediate impact.
l have always wondered why more recruits go to teams like USC.They will competing against 4 and 5 star recruits.A team like Missouri should be a great team to go to because their chances of starting time and playing is so much greater
But if they go to USC, Florida, Texas, Alabama, LSU, AND if they get to play, they get national exposure and a much better chance of being drafted, or getting drafted higher, than going to Mizzou, Iowa State, Minnesota, Illinois. It's all about the tradition and the TV exposure.
Somebody correct me if I am wrong, but I believe Mizzou has played more nationally televised games than any of those teams you metnioned.
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Post subject: Re: Visiting recruits at the Baylor Failure....
Posted: 09 Nov 2009 17:16 pm
Recruiting gurus are fond of saying that one game, and usually several games, have no impact on recruiting win or lose. It is in fact usually true.
Kony Ealy committed after the Texas loss.
Darvon Ruise committed after the Baylor loss.
Curtis Carter committed to NU after the TTech loss when they were booed off the field and their QB was replaced. Their OC is on thin ice as well.
It goes on and on...
Recruits pick a program for several reasons:
1. early playing time
2. close to home
3. tv exposure
4. NFL potential
5. relationships with coaches (established for 1-2yrs)
6. education, academic interests
7. winning
There are of course other reasons, but those are some of the main ones. This is why a loss to TX on national tv, or Big 12 championship game routs don't really hurt our recruiting, and may help it in some cases. Even in a nationally televised loss, recruits see we are on tv, have put players in the NFL, and frankly think they may get early playing time.
In fact, I'd argue winning may be the least important thing listed above to many recruits.
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Post subject: Re: Visiting recruits at the Baylor Failure....
Posted: 09 Nov 2009 17:16 pm
bleedblu17 wrote
It won't.
I feel a lot better after reading this. What position do you play and how many stars are behind your name?
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Post subject: Re: Visiting recruits at the Baylor Failure....
Posted: 09 Nov 2009 17:19 pm
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In fact, I'd argue winning may be the least important thing listed above to many recruits.
Are you serious? Are you saying UT, LSU, OU, FL, etc. have the pick of the litter because of the color of jello they serve in the jock dorm?
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Post subject: Re: Visiting recruits at the Baylor Failure....
Posted: 09 Nov 2009 19:36 pm
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Are you serious? Are you saying UT, LSU, OU, FL, etc. have the pick of the litter because of the color of jello they serve in the jock dorm?
Winning is important in the sense that it will get you on television more and ultimately help garner resources to build a better program over a period of years. Obviously, if you finish 2-10 every year for 5-6 years, it will eventually come back to bite you, but a few bad losses in a down year, or a few down years in general has minimal effect. As fans we tend to overemphasize winning as the major factor in recruiting. Put another way, if you had a 4 star recruit as a son, would winning be the major factor in his college choice out of those I listed?
All of those programs you listed sit in or near recruiting hotbeds, have developed NFL players, and have elite facilities and significant cash flow through their athletic department regardless of wins. The same could be said for Notre Dame, Florida State and Texas A&M. Those teams have perennial top 20 classes despite mediocrity. Why is that? It's not because of wins. It's because they are top notch in all other aspects of recruiting that the prospects find more attractive.
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Post subject: Re: Visiting recruits at the Baylor Failure....
Posted: 10 Nov 2009 01:54 am
bleedblu17 wrote
packman wrote
mizzouman38 wrote
edwin drood wrote
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Recruits commit based on relationships with coaches, future teammates, facilities, academics, parent's wishes, etc, etc. In fact, a sub-par performance might make them think they will have an immediate impact.
l have always wondered why more recruits go to teams like USC.They will competing against 4 and 5 star recruits.A team like Missouri should be a great team to go to because their chances of starting time and playing is so much greater
But if they go to USC, Florida, Texas, Alabama, LSU, AND if they get to play, they get national exposure and a much better chance of being drafted, or getting drafted higher, than going to Mizzou, Iowa State, Minnesota, Illinois. It's all about the tradition and the TV exposure.
Somebody correct me if I am wrong, but I believe Mizzou has played more nationally televised games than any of those teams you metnioned.
Yeah Gabe DeArmond at PowerMizzou, a guy who's entire living is following recruits and how they feel, addressed this issue after the Nebraska game, and in his opinion it doesn't really matter that Missouri has folded in the fourth, got blown out by Texas, and folded against Ok st. The fact is they were on national tv and recruits saw the team, they know they're gonna get exposure here. The 6 players we had drafted last year were more than any other team in the Big 12, that doesn't hurt too much either. Note that this is the worst year so far in the last four... yet we have the best class of the four years and theirs still guys like Lucas, Sasser, Gabbert, and McDonald out there as decent-strong possibilities.
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Post subject: Re: Visiting recruits at the Baylor Failure....
Posted: 10 Nov 2009 07:49 am
I have a feeling that a Visiting-Day Game Loss isn't as big of deal to recruits as it is to diehard fans.
For one, just about every prospective recruit has lost before. Some of them have lost because of THEIR play, too.
Some haven't lost often, others more so. An offensive lineman may not feel he's personally lost a game, but maybe - "If I'd made that block, we'd have scored the winning TD." "If I'd made that block, the FG wouldn't have been blocked."
But for all other positions, I'd guess that a teenaged player has looked back at some point in some game, realizing he failed to make a play and thus his team lost. QBs, RBs. A DB didn't make the interception or lost coverage. A WR dropped a pass. DLs and LBs missed a tackle and the game-winning score was made.
So I have a feeling that seeing a Losing Game doesn't have a deciding effect on commitment decisions. In a way, it might be a good litmus test for the coaches to evaluate how a prospect handles lost-game situations. Complacent and ready to lose again? Does he share embarrassment with the existing players and seem to bond well afterwards?
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Post subject: Re: Visiting recruits at the Baylor Failure....
Posted: 10 Nov 2009 15:43 pm
It was my understanding that both Sasser and Lucas attended the Baylor game. Does anyone know if this is true?
How long are these last few guys we're targeting going to wait before they decide...
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Post subject: Re: Visiting recruits at the Baylor Failure....
Posted: 11 Nov 2009 08:36 am
Riley Fuzzel wrote
bleedblu17 wrote
It won't.
I feel a lot better after reading this. What position do you play and how many stars are behind your name?
I really don't think I should have to expand on that statement. If you came out from under the rock every now and than, you would see that W/L have little to do with who and where a kid is going to spend the next 5 of their life with.
A recruit's experience is going to revolve more heavily on the team's atmosphere and the relationships they build with the coaches. That is the biggest player in a kid's decision, IMO. It is going to be an attribute to every single kid that visits a school. They will spend more time with the coach over the next 4/5 years than they probably will with their own family.
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Post subject: Re: Visiting recruits at the Baylor Failure....
Posted: 12 Nov 2009 13:57 pm
Mizzoufanatic wrote
It was my understanding that both Sasser and Lucas attended the Baylor game. Does anyone know if this is true?
How long are these last few guys we're targeting going to wait before they decide...
Is there a "list" of what seniors are being targeted?
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Post subject: Re: Visiting recruits at the Baylor Failure....
Posted: 12 Nov 2009 15:50 pm
I would think that a winning tradition, and whether the recruit thinks he is going to be on a winning team, has more to do with it than whether the team won the day they visited. All of these recruits have lost before.
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Post subject: Look at Chase Daniel his Sophmore year
Posted: 12 Nov 2009 15:55 pm
This season is far from complete disaster yet.... Chase Daniel went 8-5 losing the Sun Bowl on the 2-pt conversion. Remember that screwed up mess. Our running back was given the player of game and they it changed after losing.
I think this loss is a wake up call to those youngsters that showing up in the uniform doesn't get the WIN we all want. Blaming someone a group within the team is also signs of immature kids.
This was actually a good thing in the long run.
