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Post subject: Re: 2009 Boys Soccer
Posted: 06 Nov 2009 17:56 pm

Moe_Szyslak wrote

OfficerObie wrote

LL wrote

Try this approach. Just respect each school and soccer program for what it is. There is nothing sinister going on at any of these schools. And right now the MCC happens to be home to a great collection of soccer coaches and some parents want their kids to play for those coaches.

PS. Also almost all of these kids are catholic and their parents want them to go to catholic schools. Believe me that is as big a part of it as anything.

Good post LL
And, to those claiming that CCP is giving scholarships to their soccer players: heresay or CCP hatred. My son plays varsity at Chaminade and I'm not aware of any player receiving stipends or athletic scholarships. Is it possible? Certainly, just as it is at any private school. I prefer to deal in established fact rather than innuendo impugning any institution.


Vader is super-aggressive working the system from the inside, much more effectively than his peers. He gets the guys he wants. As much GM as HC - though he is an excellent HC.

CCP obviously pays in football and basketball. Suspicions about soccer dominance cannot be ignored in context.


I was part of a state championship Chaminade soccer team and I can tell you that none of my teammates were illegally recruited to play soccer for CCP. These allegations are excuses for teams who, even though they are 3 times larger, can't hold a candle to an MCC school. They rationalize their own failures by alleging foul play. And even if recruiting was just an MCC thing (it isnt), why is Chaminade still always near the top when they are half the size of CBC, DeSmet, and SLUH?

Once again, I was on the team, and I certainly wasn't given any money! Coulda used it now, too!
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Post subject: Re: 2009 Boys Soccer
Posted: 06 Nov 2009 18:12 pm

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I was part of a state championship Chaminade soccer team and I can tell you that none of my teammates were illegally recruited to play soccer for CCP. These allegations are excuses for teams who, even though they are 3 times larger, can't hold a candle to an MCC school. They rationalize their own failures by alleging foul play. And even if recruiting was just an MCC thing (it isnt), why is Chaminade still always near the top when they are half the size of CBC, DeSmet, and SLUH?

Once again, I was on the team, and I certainly wasn't given any money! Coulda used it now, too!


Anyone can see CCP pays in football and basketball. And they dominate larger, similar, schools in soccer.

Doesn't mean every CCP player is on a special program (do kids share their tuition invoices on Facebook?) or that soccer is dirty. Vader may well be the greatest ever, in this area, as far as "coaching 'em up."

MBA, we all know consistent success against very stiff competition is rare. It breeds doubt and suspicion. We can probably all agree you guys wear the "badge of honor" well. Wink
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Post subject: Re: 2009 Boys Soccer
Posted: 06 Nov 2009 18:28 pm

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JarmoBlues89 wrote

MBA@Mizzou wrote

MrTibbs wrote

MBA@Mizzou wrote

Chaminade doesnt "have the numbers" as CBC, SLUH, etc because the school is half the size!!! At least! My graduating class was 150 kids. And half of them were in the band, which we have one of the best in the area (I dont really care, but thats what I hear)...

How CCP stays competitive in football (good team this year), soccer (always one of the best in state), basketball (won state championship last year, favored to win this year), tennis (bunch of titles), swimming (always up there), water polo (ditto), etc is beyond me! Heck, we even won state in volleyball this year! We shouldn't be in the MCC, honestly, we are half the size of our opponents.

I wish i could make it to the SLUH game this Saturday but I'll be here in Columbia for the Mizzou game!

Imagine CCP in the ABC league... Ha!


How naive are you? It is called providing full athletic scholarships to the majority of your premier athletes. That is the only way you can compete in the non country club sports.

A little history lesson...CCP had no credible soccer, football nor basketball programs to speak of until a mere 10 years ago. A school that is almost 100 years old out of the blue magically creates competitive programs in these sports at one of the most expensive high schools in the city

The ABC league wouldn't allow you to enter because of your lack of ethics


I played in both the ABC and MCC... if anyone has insight on this, it would be me. I transferred from Priory to CCP, and was a big time player for both schools. If I was ever "recruited" it would have been for academics from Priory. That Priory class had kids from all over the place... but I guess recruiting and giving scholarships is only "unethical" if its for athletics, not academics.... right?

You dont think Chaminade being half the size of the other MCC schools is a disadvantage? Don't they all give out scholarships and recruit?


I think if you went to Chaminade you would know that Vianney is the school with the numbers disadvantage. The fact that they have to win state, or even their own conference by beating schools with twice as many kids is a joke. Chaminade is definately smaller than CBC, DeSmet, and SLUH, but come on.


1) I dont even include Vianney when I talk about MCC schools.

2) Um, Vianney has 600 kids in 4 classes... thats 150 per grade... Chaminade is SMALLER. My graduating class had 150 kids.

3) Check your facts before you get all abrasive.

Desmet has 281 kids per class.
CBC has 270 kids per class.
SLUH has 267 kids per class.
Vianney has 150 kids per class.
Chaminade has 132 kids per class.

Your post is wrong on so many accounts. Chaminade is the smallest school in the MCC, less than half the size of desmet, cbc, and sluh. Yet just as good or, in many cases, better in athletics. Give them credit.


Vianney was the MCC champions in soccer, regardless of whether its shared. Tough to not include the champion of the conference, as a member of the conference. You go to mizzou, assuming you live in Columbia, you have not seen a MCC game, just merely read about it on prep sports. Get off your high horse and quit living in the past. Every team in the MCC is competitive in every sport, and if you try to deny that you're an idiot.
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Post subject: Re: 2009 Boys Soccer
Posted: 06 Nov 2009 18:42 pm

MBA@Mizzou wrote

JarmoBlues89 wrote

MBA@Mizzou wrote

MrTibbs wrote

MBA@Mizzou wrote

Chaminade doesnt "have the numbers" as CBC, SLUH, etc because the school is half the size!!! At least! My graduating class was 150 kids. And half of them were in the band, which we have one of the best in the area (I dont really care, but thats what I hear)...

How CCP stays competitive in football (good team this year), soccer (always one of the best in state), basketball (won state championship last year, favored to win this year), tennis (bunch of titles), swimming (always up there), water polo (ditto), etc is beyond me! Heck, we even won state in volleyball this year! We shouldn't be in the MCC, honestly, we are half the size of our opponents.

I wish i could make it to the SLUH game this Saturday but I'll be here in Columbia for the Mizzou game!

Imagine CCP in the ABC league... Ha!


How naive are you? It is called providing full athletic scholarships to the majority of your premier athletes. That is the only way you can compete in the non country club sports.

A little history lesson...CCP had no credible soccer, football nor basketball programs to speak of until a mere 10 years ago. A school that is almost 100 years old out of the blue magically creates competitive programs in these sports at one of the most expensive high schools in the city

The ABC league wouldn't allow you to enter because of your lack of ethics


I played in both the ABC and MCC... if anyone has insight on this, it would be me. I transferred from Priory to CCP, and was a big time player for both schools. If I was ever "recruited" it would have been for academics from Priory. That Priory class had kids from all over the place... but I guess recruiting and giving scholarships is only "unethical" if its for athletics, not academics.... right?

You dont think Chaminade being half the size of the other MCC schools is a disadvantage? Don't they all give out scholarships and recruit?


I think if you went to Chaminade you would know that Vianney is the school with the numbers disadvantage. The fact that they have to win state, or even their own conference by beating schools with twice as many kids is a joke. Chaminade is definately smaller than CBC, DeSmet, and SLUH, but come on.


1) I dont even include Vianney when I talk about MCC schools.

2) Um, Vianney has 600 kids in 4 classes... thats 150 per grade... Chaminade is SMALLER. My graduating class had 150 kids.

3) Check your facts before you get all abrasive.

Desmet has 281 kids per class.
CBC has 270 kids per class.
SLUH has 267 kids per class.
Vianney has 150 kids per class.
Chaminade has 132 kids per class.

Your post is wrong on so many accounts. Chaminade is the smallest school in the MCC, less than half the size of desmet, cbc, and sluh. Yet just as good or, in many cases, better in athletics. Give them credit.


You are going to inexplicably exclude Vianney from the MCC, and then tell me my post is wrong? Why exactly is it that you exclude Vianney? They are just as competitive in sports these days as Chaminade is. Why would you not include them?

And you orignally asked "don't they all give out scholarships and recruit?"

The answer to your question, which you meant to be rhetorical, is no.

Vianney is just as small as Chaminade, and doesn't recruit players.

Try telling me Brad Beal choosing Chaminade over Vianney had nothing to do with recruitment.

Either way, I am curious as to why you wouldn't include Vianney in the MCC discussion.
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Post subject: Re: 2009 Boys Soccer
Posted: 06 Nov 2009 19:13 pm

OfficerObie wrote

LL wrote

Try this approach. Just respect each school and soccer program for what it is. There is nothing sinister going on at any of these schools. And right now the MCC happens to be home to a great collection of soccer coaches and some parents want their kids to play for those coaches.

PS. Also almost all of these kids are catholic and their parents want them to go to catholic schools. Believe me that is as big a part of it as anything.

Good post LL
And, to those claiming that CCP is giving scholarships to their soccer players: heresay or CCP hatred. My son plays varsity at Chaminade and I'm not aware of any player receiving stipends or athletic scholarships. Is it possible? Certainly, just as it is at any private school. I prefer to deal in established fact rather than innuendo impugning any institution.


Do you actually think anyone would tell you if their son was illegally recruited or on a full ride athletic scholarship?

Just because you aren’t aware of it doesn’t mean it isn’t happening. How does it make you feel that you are subsidizing the cheating?

Why don’t you ask the beloved Vader about this or is he too busy pushing pizza these days?
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Post subject: Re: 2009 Boys Soccer
Posted: 06 Nov 2009 19:21 pm

MBA@Mizzou wrote

Moe_Szyslak wrote

OfficerObie wrote

LL wrote

Try this approach. Just respect each school and soccer program for what it is. There is nothing sinister going on at any of these schools. And right now the MCC happens to be home to a great collection of soccer coaches and some parents want their kids to play for those coaches.

PS. Also almost all of these kids are catholic and their parents want them to go to catholic schools. Believe me that is as big a part of it as anything.

Good post LL
And, to those claiming that CCP is giving scholarships to their soccer players: heresay or CCP hatred. My son plays varsity at Chaminade and I'm not aware of any player receiving stipends or athletic scholarships. Is it possible? Certainly, just as it is at any private school. I prefer to deal in established fact rather than innuendo impugning any institution.


Vader is super-aggressive working the system from the inside, much more effectively than his peers. He gets the guys he wants. As much GM as HC - though he is an excellent HC.

CCP obviously pays in football and basketball. Suspicions about soccer dominance cannot be ignored in context.


I was part of a state championship Chaminade soccer team and I can tell you that none of my teammates were illegally recruited to play soccer for CCP. These allegations are excuses for teams who, even though they are 3 times larger, can't hold a candle to an MCC school. They rationalize their own failures by alleging foul play. And even if recruiting was just an MCC thing (it isnt), why is Chaminade still always near the top when they are half the size of CBC, DeSmet, and SLUH?

Once again, I was on the team, and I certainly wasn't given any money! Coulda used it now, too!


Too bad you were not one of the better players on your team otherwise you would have had your education paid for

Your alma mater is the worst offender of illegal recruiting in the city.

Esto Vir? Hilarious
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Post subject: Re: 2009 Boys Soccer
Posted: 06 Nov 2009 19:28 pm

sptsman wrote

Moe_Szyslak wrote

CCP obviously pays in football and basketball. Suspicions about soccer dominance cannot be ignored in context.


Wow!! I trust you've given this information to MSHSAA officials... No? Oh, that's right, just another blowhard with an ax to grind. Either come forward to MSHSAA with solid evidence or stop with the sour grapes, bashing of people and programs...

You are one pathetic person...


Truth hurts eh?. Why the name calling? MSHAA has been notified and they are completely aware however whether they will investigate is another matter. I wouldn't hold my breath as Barney Fife is leading the investigation. Plus Vader is too nice to get caught Rolling Eyes
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Post subject: Re: 2009 Boys Soccer
Posted: 06 Nov 2009 19:34 pm

JarmoBlues89 wrote

MBA@Mizzou wrote

JarmoBlues89 wrote

MBA@Mizzou wrote

MrTibbs wrote

MBA@Mizzou wrote

Chaminade doesnt "have the numbers" as CBC, SLUH, etc because the school is half the size!!! At least! My graduating class was 150 kids. And half of them were in the band, which we have one of the best in the area (I dont really care, but thats what I hear)...

How CCP stays competitive in football (good team this year), soccer (always one of the best in state), basketball (won state championship last year, favored to win this year), tennis (bunch of titles), swimming (always up there), water polo (ditto), etc is beyond me! Heck, we even won state in volleyball this year! We shouldn't be in the MCC, honestly, we are half the size of our opponents.

I wish i could make it to the SLUH game this Saturday but I'll be here in Columbia for the Mizzou game!

Imagine CCP in the ABC league... Ha!


How naive are you? It is called providing full athletic scholarships to the majority of your premier athletes. That is the only way you can compete in the non country club sports.

A little history lesson...CCP had no credible soccer, football nor basketball programs to speak of until a mere 10 years ago. A school that is almost 100 years old out of the blue magically creates competitive programs in these sports at one of the most expensive high schools in the city

The ABC league wouldn't allow you to enter because of your lack of ethics


I played in both the ABC and MCC... if anyone has insight on this, it would be me. I transferred from Priory to CCP, and was a big time player for both schools. If I was ever "recruited" it would have been for academics from Priory. That Priory class had kids from all over the place... but I guess recruiting and giving scholarships is only "unethical" if its for athletics, not academics.... right?

You dont think Chaminade being half the size of the other MCC schools is a disadvantage? Don't they all give out scholarships and recruit?


I think if you went to Chaminade you would know that Vianney is the school with the numbers disadvantage. The fact that they have to win state, or even their own conference by beating schools with twice as many kids is a joke. Chaminade is definately smaller than CBC, DeSmet, and SLUH, but come on.


1) I dont even include Vianney when I talk about MCC schools.

2) Um, Vianney has 600 kids in 4 classes... thats 150 per grade... Chaminade is SMALLER. My graduating class had 150 kids.

3) Check your facts before you get all abrasive.

Desmet has 281 kids per class.
CBC has 270 kids per class.
SLUH has 267 kids per class.
Vianney has 150 kids per class.
Chaminade has 132 kids per class.

Your post is wrong on so many accounts. Chaminade is the smallest school in the MCC, less than half the size of desmet, cbc, and sluh. Yet just as good or, in many cases, better in athletics. Give them credit.


You are going to inexplicably exclude Vianney from the MCC, and then tell me my post is wrong? Why exactly is it that you exclude Vianney? They are just as competitive in sports these days as Chaminade is. Why would you not include them?

And you orignally asked "don't they all give out scholarships and recruit?"

The answer to your question, which you meant to be rhetorical, is no.

Vianney is just as small as Chaminade, and doesn't recruit players.

Try telling me Brad Beal choosing Chaminade over Vianney had nothing to do with recruitment.

Either way, I am curious as to why you wouldn't include Vianney in the MCC discussion.


1) It was a joke. Everyone in the MCC hates Vianney... its an inside joke. They dont really belong. Each MCC schools has their "rival" schools, CBC vs Chaminade... SLUH vs DeSmet, etc etc, but we all have this in common: we all hate Vianney. Dont take my jokes so seriously.

2)You were very adamant in telling me that its unfair because Vianney is so much smaller than even Chaminade. I said you were wrong, showed you facts, and you turn the other way. Recognize, please, that you were wrong about the school sizes. Any way you slice it, CCP is even smaller than Vianney.

3) Why would Brad Beal want to go to Vianney? Why would anyone want to go to Vianney? haha. Vianney is basically South County, why are they even in the MCC? Ah, yes, they are Marianist, like DeSmet. None of the kids from Vianney hang out with kids from CBC, DeSmet, SLUH, CCP, etc. ALl those kids hang out with eachother and Vianney kids are left pimping up their 1996 Toyotas and hangout out in the ROnnies parking lot. They simply do not belong.
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Post subject: Re: 2009 Boys Soccer
Posted: 06 Nov 2009 19:42 pm

jackjohnson wrote

MBA@Mizzou wrote

JarmoBlues89 wrote

MBA@Mizzou wrote

MrTibbs wrote

MBA@Mizzou wrote

Chaminade doesnt "have the numbers" as CBC, SLUH, etc because the school is half the size!!! At least! My graduating class was 150 kids. And half of them were in the band, which we have one of the best in the area (I dont really care, but thats what I hear)...

How CCP stays competitive in football (good team this year), soccer (always one of the best in state), basketball (won state championship last year, favored to win this year), tennis (bunch of titles), swimming (always up there), water polo (ditto), etc is beyond me! Heck, we even won state in volleyball this year! We shouldn't be in the MCC, honestly, we are half the size of our opponents.

I wish i could make it to the SLUH game this Saturday but I'll be here in Columbia for the Mizzou game!

Imagine CCP in the ABC league... Ha!


How naive are you? It is called providing full athletic scholarships to the majority of your premier athletes. That is the only way you can compete in the non country club sports.

A little history lesson...CCP had no credible soccer, football nor basketball programs to speak of until a mere 10 years ago. A school that is almost 100 years old out of the blue magically creates competitive programs in these sports at one of the most expensive high schools in the city

The ABC league wouldn't allow you to enter because of your lack of ethics


I played in both the ABC and MCC... if anyone has insight on this, it would be me. I transferred from Priory to CCP, and was a big time player for both schools. If I was ever "recruited" it would have been for academics from Priory. That Priory class had kids from all over the place... but I guess recruiting and giving scholarships is only "unethical" if its for athletics, not academics.... right?

You dont think Chaminade being half the size of the other MCC schools is a disadvantage? Don't they all give out scholarships and recruit?


I think if you went to Chaminade you would know that Vianney is the school with the numbers disadvantage. The fact that they have to win state, or even their own conference by beating schools with twice as many kids is a joke. Chaminade is definately smaller than CBC, DeSmet, and SLUH, but come on.


1) I dont even include Vianney when I talk about MCC schools.

2) Um, Vianney has 600 kids in 4 classes... thats 150 per grade... Chaminade is SMALLER. My graduating class had 150 kids.

3) Check your facts before you get all abrasive.

Desmet has 281 kids per class.
CBC has 270 kids per class.
SLUH has 267 kids per class.
Vianney has 150 kids per class.
Chaminade has 132 kids per class.

Your post is wrong on so many accounts. Chaminade is the smallest school in the MCC, less than half the size of desmet, cbc, and sluh. Yet just as good or, in many cases, better in athletics. Give them credit.


Vianney was the MCC champions in soccer, regardless of whether its shared. Tough to not include the champion of the conference, as a member of the conference. You go to mizzou, assuming you live in Columbia, you have not seen a MCC game, just merely read about it on prep sports. Get off your high horse and quit living in the past. Every team in the MCC is competitive in every sport, and if you try to deny that you're an idiot.


Oh PLEASE! Talk about a technicality. I could name you 10 kids from either CCP, SLUH, or CBC that got scholarships for soccer to your ONE Vianney kid. The programs, in the past decade or so, are on a completely different level. Let me restate, I played for Chaminade in the earlier part of this decade, and we'd get our schedules and put a big red W on the Vianney games... This league has been dominated by CBC, CCP, and SLUH all decade. Vianney is #5, even behind DeSmet.

Is Vianneys team competitive in swimming, water polo, golf, tennis? The "country club" sports? No? hmm, I wonder why not...

And since we cant "live in the past", I guess I cant acknowledge Vianney's soccer championships in the late 70s to early 90s....
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Posted: 06 Nov 2009 19:58 pm

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I also wonder which MCC school has, by far, the lowest average ACT score?


I'm going to get rid of this post.


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Posted: 06 Nov 2009 20:03 pm

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MBA@Mizzou wrote

I also wonder which MCC school has, by far, the lowest average ACT score?


Its amazing how far off topic you have made this thread. You're stereotypes are great, your personal attacks even better.

please stop posting in this thread. You are a terrible representation of my alma mater. Yes, alma mater. I graduated in 76' when we were far more humble. The chaminade character and tradition obviously didn't rub off on you.

I have a son at vianney, and it was his choice to go there, and I support him 100%. You go to mizzou, so do exactly that, and leave everyone alone.


For those of you who are too uptight to recognize sarcasm (jackjohnson, love your music, not so much your posts)... take a chill pill.

Oh, and if a couple sarcastic tongue in cheek posts makes me a "terrible representation" of your alma mater, then I wonder what you think of all the stoner and drug dealers who I went to school with while I was representing the varsity baseball and soccer teams and gettting a 98% GPA my senior year. Yah, what a terrible representation!!!

JackieJ... take a joke... and transfer your son to chaminade!!
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