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Posted: 01 Nov 2009 06:05 am
I just read one post too many bashing "greedy business owners" because they won't hire more people.

Do you people realize that as a business owner, I can have clerical (and many other) tasks performed overseas.... using virtual employees to do things like data entry, web design, graphic design, etc. for less money than it costs in AMERICA just to pay for all the taxes and ADMIN fees heaved on our plate by our government if I hired Americans to do the same job here.

Wake up to the real greed... YOUR POLITICIANS!

When it costs more in taxes and fees associated with all the burdens our government imposes on the people who provide (or used to provide) your jobs than it costs them to get ACTUAL PROFIT PRODUCING work DONE using foreign workers... I have to ask you...

Is BIG GOVERNMENT the solution... or is it the problem?

Want a link to prove my claim...

Check out ODESK.com, it's like Ebay in that it matches worldwide workers with worldwide employers (sellers of talent with buyers of talent).

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Posted: 01 Nov 2009 06:16 am
Go back to sleep! Business owners are not usually saints. They are corrupt minded individuals who basically want to feel like God on Earth. Their sleaze is overwhelming the bigger they get.

Did the banks really need the bailout? No. But when Obama made them accountable for each buck, they returned the money. And the bastardos are price gouging for bank services.

Our health care businesses make the largest profits at the expense of patients or non patients lives on the planet.

Gas moguls are making us pay for way down the road items when a huge surplus needs to be cheap.

Car manufacturers with their stupid planned obsolescence make horrible cars which in many cases get inferior gas mileage to the model T.

Homes are made to fall apart and keep the home repair people busy and energy inefficient to keep the energy brokers laughing all the way to the bank.

Clothes and shoes are sold for over 1000% markup after they leave the plants.

Food is of ever decreasing quality and more expensive to boot.

So tell me, just how benevolent are business owners?

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Posted: 01 Nov 2009 07:21 am

adrianboyer wrote

I just read one post too many bashing "greedy business owners" because they won't hire more people.

Do you people realize that as a business owner, I can have clerical (and many other) tasks performed overseas.... using virtual employees to do things like data entry, web design, graphic design, etc. for less money than it costs in AMERICA just to pay for all the taxes and ADMIN fees heaved on our plate by our government if I hired Americans to do the same job here.

Wake up to the real greed... YOUR POLITICIANS!

When it costs more in taxes and fees associated with all the burdens our government imposes on the people who provide (or used to provide) your jobs than it costs them to get ACTUAL PROFIT PRODUCING work DONE using foreign workers... I have to ask you...

Is BIG GOVERNMENT the solution... or is it the problem?

Want a link to prove my claim...

Check out ODESK.com, it's like Ebay in that it matches worldwide workers with worldwide employers (sellers of talent with buyers of talent).


Real convenient excuse..."I can't hire Americans because the government taxes me too much and it cuts into my profits so I have to hire virtual assistants from overseas at two bucks an hour".

There are virtual assistants right here in the good old USA. No, they don't work for two bucks an hour, but they work and they're Americans.

Nobody likes taxes and we'd all like to pay less. But stop the BS about "if I didn't have to pay business taxes, I'd hire Americans, but the government won't let me". You'd most likely continue to use Indian and Third World VAs even if you paid no business taxes---imagine the boost to your bottom line? It's capitalism, right?

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Posted: 01 Nov 2009 08:07 am
Stop the outsourcing and cheap imports. Bring factories back and people will be able to buy better stuff and pay for their own necessities. The bottom line is not the best line. Businesses need to understand this. But I doubt they ever will , sadly.
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Posted: 01 Nov 2009 08:09 am

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Stop the outsourcing and cheap imports. Bring factories back and people will be able to buy better stuff and pay for their own necessities. The bottom line is not the best line. Businesses need to understand this. But I doubt they ever will , sadly.


Then why don't you start a business making stuff domestically and prove your theory?

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Posted: 01 Nov 2009 08:11 am
Because other businesses will just keep doing the same old thing and run me out of business ala Wal-mart.
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Posted: 01 Nov 2009 08:17 am
adrainboyer is correct. Govt can do many things, but it can never alter the laws of economics. When banks were forced to issue mortgages to people who would never qualify under normal rules of lending, millions of foreclosures was the only possible outcome. Similarly, when one govt imposes a tax and regulatory burden to such an extent that competition becomes impossible, business will move to an environment which permits them to be profitable. Basic economics. Very easy rules to understand.
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Posted: 01 Nov 2009 08:21 am

Man of the West wrote

adrainboyer is correct. Govt can do many things, but it can never alter the laws of economics. When banks were forced to issue mortgages to people who would never qualify under normal rules of lending, millions of foreclosures was the only possible outcome. Similarly, when one govt imposes a tax and regulatory burden to such an extent that competition becomes impossible, business will move to an environment which permits them to be profitable. Basic economics. Very easy rules to understand.


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I expect many people here, who lack even a basic understanding of economics, to have a problem with your post but its completely correct.

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Posted: 01 Nov 2009 08:22 am
Blah blah blah. This country has seen a decline in lifestyle since the free trade BS started. Who has it helped? The Ultra Rich. Make all the standard BS lines about it you want , but history tells the real story. Try and erase history. When you remove a large portion of the populations money making ability and replace it with lower paying SERVICE industry jobs , and then allow cheap imports to flood the market unchecked , you have a recipe for this disaster.
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Posted: 01 Nov 2009 08:32 am

Centerpoint wrote

adrianboyer wrote

I just read one post too many bashing "greedy business owners" because they won't hire more people.

Do you people realize that as a business owner, I can have clerical (and many other) tasks performed overseas.... using virtual employees to do things like data entry, web design, graphic design, etc. for less money than it costs in AMERICA just to pay for all the taxes and ADMIN fees heaved on our plate by our government if I hired Americans to do the same job here.

Wake up to the real greed... YOUR POLITICIANS!

When it costs more in taxes and fees associated with all the burdens our government imposes on the people who provide (or used to provide) your jobs than it costs them to get ACTUAL PROFIT PRODUCING work DONE using foreign workers... I have to ask you...

Is BIG GOVERNMENT the solution... or is it the problem?

Want a link to prove my claim...

Check out ODESK.com, it's like Ebay in that it matches worldwide workers with worldwide employers (sellers of talent with buyers of talent).


Real convenient excuse..."I can't hire Americans because the government taxes me too much and it cuts into my profits so I have to hire virtual assistants from overseas at two bucks an hour".

There are virtual assistants right here in the good old USA. No, they don't work for two bucks an hour, but they work and they're Americans.

Nobody likes taxes and we'd all like to pay less. But stop the BS about "if I didn't have to pay business taxes, I'd hire Americans, but the government won't let me". You'd most likely continue to use Indian and Third World VAs even if you paid no business taxes---imagine the boost to your bottom line? It's capitalism, right?


Govt. imposed taxes AND regulatory burdens cost more than it does to get a foreign worker to start, finish and receive payment for a job. Tell me how BIG GOVERNMENT isn't the problem again. Pretty please Smile

Please be sure to explain how the laws of economics are wrong and you are right.

I anxiously await your enlightening wisdom!

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Post subject: Re: Business owners Vs. Big Government?
Posted: 01 Nov 2009 08:34 am

PennRamsFan wrote

Man of the West wrote

adrainboyer is correct. Govt can do many things, but it can never alter the laws of economics. When banks were forced to issue mortgages to people who would never qualify under normal rules of lending, millions of foreclosures was the only possible outcome. Similarly, when one govt imposes a tax and regulatory burden to such an extent that competition becomes impossible, business will move to an environment which permits them to be profitable. Basic economics. Very easy rules to understand.


+1

I expect many people here, who lack even a basic understanding of economics, to have a problem with your post but its completely correct.


+1

The level of basic ignorance of the business world is remarkable. I thought liberals were supposed to be progressive but a lot of them sound like a bunch of luddites.

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Post subject: Re: Business owners Vs. Big Government?
Posted: 01 Nov 2009 08:35 am

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Because other businesses will just keep doing the same old thing and run me out of business ala Wal-mart.


I guess it's easy to tell other people what to do with their money and then criticize them when they don't do it. Do you work in government?

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