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Posted: 02 Nov 2009 07:45 am
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I like seeing Petro get the chance to play some consistent minutes, but I still have to believe that he is one of the odd men out when Jackman and Cola return.

In case you haven't noticed, there is a very common theme as far as who has been on the ice for all six of the goals scored against the Blues in the past two games. That's right, #27.

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Post subject: Re: Blues struggle while Johnson and Pietrangelo shine
Posted: 02 Nov 2009 08:18 am
I'm not sure that I'd give Petro the bill of "shine" just yet. He got his hat handed to him in the Florida game, and didn't have a great game against the Yotes either. The skill is there, but he has a lot of learning to do...
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Post subject: Re: Blues struggle while Johnson and Pietrangelo shine
Posted: 02 Nov 2009 08:52 am

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I'm not sure that I'd give Petro the bill of "shine" just yet. He got his hat handed to him in the Florida game, and didn't have a great game against the Yotes either. The skill is there, but he has a lot of learning to do...

Pete......I rarely disagree with you, if ever, but I was at both of those games and I thought the kid played really well. He had a few miscues, but looked very mature out there in both games. Again, definitely note without mistakes, but I liked what I saw.

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Post subject: Re: Blues struggle while Johnson and Pietrangelo shine
Posted: 02 Nov 2009 09:19 am

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Hockey_Pete wrote

I'm not sure that I'd give Petro the bill of "shine" just yet. He got his hat handed to him in the Florida game, and didn't have a great game against the Yotes either. The skill is there, but he has a lot of learning to do...

Pete......I rarely disagree with you, if ever, but I was at both of those games and I thought the kid played really well. He had a few miscues, but looked very mature out there in both games. Again, definitely note without mistakes, but I liked what I saw.


Alex has been out of position enough that it shows. I'm not going to dump on this kid, but he is only 19 years old. Maybe J.D.s and Andy's reluctance to just 'give him his shot' is warranted. I mean, contrary to what many posters believe, Davidson and Murry have an insiders view and they really do know what's best for Alex and the Blues in general!!!

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Post subject: Re: Blues struggle while Johnson and Pietrangelo shine
Posted: 02 Nov 2009 10:28 am
He's been one of the best defensemen on the ice in his last 4 games. We forget, Brewer has just gotten back too. Say what you want about his +/-, the stat means nothing when your offense doesn't score. As a pinching defenseman, what are you supposed to do when Kariya is shooting back angle shots wide. That's a 2-1 or 3-2 break every time. When the offense starts lighting lamps, then we can talk about +/-. Upon the return of Colaiacovo and Jackman, I better not see Mike Weaver on the ice. I'll take Sydor as the man to step in for a struggling defenseman.

Barring an injury, there is no reason that Pietrangelo shouldn't play 45+ games this season.

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Post subject: Re: Blues struggle while Johnson and Pietrangelo shine
Posted: 02 Nov 2009 10:34 am

forehandbackhandwaterbottle wrote

He's been one of the best defensemen on the ice in his last 4 games. We forget, Brewer has just gotten back too. Say what you want about his +/-, the stat means nothing when your offense doesn't score. As a pinching defenseman, what are you supposed to do when Kariya is shooting back angle shots wide. That's a 2-1 or 3-2 break every time. When the offense starts lighting lamps, then we can talk about +/-. Upon the return of Colaiacovo and Jackman, I better not see Mike Weaver on the ice. I'll take Sydor as the man to step in for a struggling defenseman.

Barring an injury, there is no reason that Pietrangelo shouldn't play 45+ games this season.


Sydor will be Paired with Johnson. I hate how everyone continues to bash Sydor, when he's been one of our most consistant Defensman. Sure, he doesn't have the speed, but when he's in position, he makes the play 9 times out of 10.

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Post subject: Re: Blues struggle while Johnson and Pietrangelo shine
Posted: 02 Nov 2009 10:41 am

forehandbackhandwaterbottle wrote

He's been one of the best defensemen on the ice in his last 4 games. We forget, Brewer has just gotten back too. Say what you want about his +/-, the stat means nothing when your offense doesn't score. As a pinching defenseman, what are you supposed to do when Kariya is shooting back angle shots wide. That's a 2-1 or 3-2 break every time. When the offense starts lighting lamps, then we can talk about +/-. Upon the return of Colaiacovo and Jackman, I better not see Mike Weaver on the ice. I'll take Sydor as the man to step in for a struggling defenseman.

Barring an injury, there is no reason that Pietrangelo shouldn't play 45+ games this season.


Barring an injury, there is no reason that Pietrangelo shouldn't play 45+ games this season.

I know most 'hope' that is the case, but I wouldn't be a bit surprised if he didn't see his 10th game this season.

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Post subject: Re: Blues struggle while Johnson and Pietrangelo shine
Posted: 02 Nov 2009 10:59 am
I must be watching a totally different team.

I think EJ has been absolutley awful defensively. He continually gets beat one v one. He gets muscled off the puck and generally just out of position. Now, he DOES have the best first pass out of the zone, when he finally decides to get rid of it... And yes, I do understand that there will be mistakes and I am OK with it... In fact I would love to EJ and PIE all year, mistakes included.
Speaking of Pie, I thought he has been VERY good positionally, and skill wise he is unmatched... whe he gets it going fully, he will be a force!

JMHO...

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Post subject: Re: Blues struggle while Johnson and Pietrangelo shine
Posted: 02 Nov 2009 11:15 am

attack lemmings wrote

I must be watching a totally different team.

I think EJ has been absolutley awful defensively. He continually gets beat one v one. He gets muscled off the puck and generally just out of position. Now, he DOES have the best first pass out of the zone, when he finally decides to get rid of it... And yes, I do understand that there will be mistakes and I am OK with it... In fact I would love to EJ and PIE all year, mistakes included.
Speaking of Pie, I thought he has been VERY good positionally, and skill wise he is unmatched... whe he gets it going fully, he will be a force!

JMHO...


I agree about EJ defensively. For some reason a lot on this board seems to turn a blind eye to EJ's defensive breakdowns / deficiencies but will jump all over Petro's mistakes.

I'm more than willing to live with the two of them learning as they go, as their offence clearly outweighs their defensive mistakes, and EJ's is a rust issue as much as anything.

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Post subject: Re: Blues struggle while Johnson and Pietrangelo shine
Posted: 02 Nov 2009 11:22 am
I'm not sure what some people expect. No, neither player has been consistently excellent, but both have clearly been among the better players on the ice in recent games. Assuming there isn't a drop off in the quality if his play, I can't see how the team could afford to send Petro down.

If it was a matter of skill or strength, then I could see him going, but his issues are coachable. How do you correct these things in juniors, where he can get away with it?

IMHO, Jackman's return has little to no impact on Petro. It should affect Weaver more so, since neither is considered an offensive-defenseman. Given the issues they have had with scoring a goal, I don't see how you can make your lineup even less dangerous offensively. Coliacovo is a different story, but given long-term implications, I think you can make a pretty compelling argument that Petro should play.

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Post subject: Re: Blues struggle while Johnson and Pietrangelo shine
Posted: 02 Nov 2009 12:33 pm
IF the Blues are a serious challanger to the Western Conference Finals, as they should be soon I dont think you can carry a 19 year old on defence who is still learning the ropes.
If your defence is:

Erik Johnson
Barrett Jackman
Eric Brewer
Carlo Coliaccovo
Roman Polak
Daryl Sydor

Mike Weaver
Tyson Strachan

I dont think you keep Pietrangelo here UNLESS he completely proves that he is one of your top 7 defenceman.

If we arent a playoff team, perhaps then you can carry the kid and play him in perhaps 30-45 games, afford to sit him for a spell when you need to.

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Post subject: Re: Blues struggle while Johnson and Pietrangelo shine
Posted: 02 Nov 2009 12:44 pm

quityerwhinin wrote

I'm not sure what some people expect. No, neither player has been consistently excellent, but both have clearly been among the better players on the ice in recent games. Assuming there isn't a drop off in the quality if his play, I can't see how the team could afford to send Petro down.

If it was a matter of skill or strength, then I could see him going, but his issues are coachable. How do you correct these things in juniors, where he can get away with it?

IMHO, Jackman's return has little to no impact on Petro. It should affect Weaver more so, since neither is considered an offensive-defenseman. Given the issues they have had with scoring a goal, I don't see how you can make your lineup even less dangerous offensively. Coliacovo is a different story, but given long-term implications, I think you can make a pretty compelling argument that Petro should play.

EJ is a defensive liability right now... I don't see him "making" enough good plays to outweigh the cost... Again, I like EJ, and fully expect him to be an integral part of this dynasty we are building. But if you are going to put him out there and let him make mistakes, then I am OK with it... but you darn well better have Pie out there too... You want to talk offensive skill...
Weaver, and Sydor should be the ones to sit when Jax and Cola come back... With Sydor being first call up.

Again, JMHO.

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