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Post subject: Re: WSJ Report: Swine Flu deaths higher in the elderly
Posted: 03 Nov 2009 19:17 pm
Jeez BF, normally I am behind much of what you believe, but this swine flu obsession is really really really irritating.

I mean, WGAF? So people get it, so they die, or so they get well.

I could give one flip about the flu.

The Fly has bigger fish to fry than sitting around trembling.

Let it go, man.......
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Posted: 03 Nov 2009 19:26 pm

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Of the 1,088 hospitalization and death reports in California, 118 were deaths, which translates into fatality rate of 11%, researchers said.

For people age 50 and older, the fatality rate was as high as 20%. Eight of the 118 deaths were reported in children younger than age 18, while 110 were in people age 18 and older. The most common causes of death were viral pneumonia and acute respiratory distress syndrome, which are complications of influenza.

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Posted: 03 Nov 2009 19:39 pm
Wait, you mean sick old people often die?

Is that what all those cemeteries are for?
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Posted: 03 Nov 2009 19:47 pm
Honestly, I could give a rip whether I die from swine flu, cancer, or getting hit by a car. (i'd prefer old age, btw....)

Dead is dead.
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Post subject: Re: WSJ Report: Swine Flu deaths higher in the elderly
Posted: 03 Nov 2009 19:54 pm
so older folks who get influenza and wind up hospitalized are more likely to die. Wow no doubt a conspiracy there

You really may want to consider a new hobby, I understand woodworking is nice.
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Post subject: Re: WSJ Report: Swine Flu deaths higher in the elderly
Posted: 03 Nov 2009 20:40 pm

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so older folks who get influenza and wind up hospitalized are more likely to die. Wow no doubt a conspiracy there

You really may want to consider a new hobby, I understand woodworking is nice.


You flunked English as a second language huh?

The elderly get the flu and die because they aren't being given flu shots. They aren't on a priority list for the immunization.

This is part and parcel of this administration's approach to the issue of health care for older people.
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Post subject: Re: WSJ Report: Swine Flu deaths higher in the elderly
Posted: 03 Nov 2009 21:41 pm

SuperFly wrote

Jeez BF, normally I am behind much of what you believe, but this swine flu obsession is really really really irritating.

I mean, WGAF? So people get it, so they die, or so they get well.

I could give one flip about the flu.

The Fly has bigger fish to fry than sitting around trembling.

Let it go, man.......


Golly gee whiz fly who's trembling? No one in the BF household. No disrespect fella but your comment sounds similar to the mind numbing drone of the southpaw collective. Normally, I ignore this caliber of comment but feel free to ignore me if it irritates you.

Actually, this finding is quite the revelation, and is to be published in this weeks edition of the Americam Medical Association Journal. The study is contrary to everything the HHS based their vaccine priority list on and validates exactly what I've been saying all along.

Who's your Daddy now you whiney trolls!

Not you fly. Wink
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Post subject: Re: WSJ Report: Swine Flu deaths higher in the elderly
Posted: 03 Nov 2009 21:46 pm

Bigfish wrote

SuperFly wrote

Jeez BF, normally I am behind much of what you believe, but this swine flu obsession is really really really irritating.

I mean, WGAF? So people get it, so they die, or so they get well.

I could give one flip about the flu.

The Fly has bigger fish to fry than sitting around trembling.

Let it go, man.......


Golly gee whiz fly who's trembling? No one in the BF household. No disrespect fella but your comment sounds similar to the mind numbing drone of the southpaw collective. Normally, I ignore this caliber of comment but feel free to ignore me if it irritates you.

Actually, this finding is quite the revelation, and is to be published in this weeks edition of the Americam Medical Association Journal. The study is contrary to everything the HHS based their vaccine priority list on and validates exactly what I've been saying all along.

Who's your Daddy now you whiney trolls!

Not you fly. Wink


Just sayin......I got H1N1 a month ago, lasted two weeks, mainly respiratory, lowgrade fever, no vomiting, now I'm immune, and alive.

My youngest just got over non H1N1 this past weekend, vomitosis, etc. Alive and kicking.

I just don't buy into flu shots, panic or conspiracy in this case, sorry.
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Post subject: Re: WSJ Report: Swine Flu deaths higher in the elderly
Posted: 03 Nov 2009 22:27 pm

SuperFly wrote

Bigfish wrote

SuperFly wrote

Jeez BF, normally I am behind much of what you believe, but this swine flu obsession is really really really irritating.

I mean, WGAF? So people get it, so they die, or so they get well.

I could give one flip about the flu.

The Fly has bigger fish to fry than sitting around trembling.

Let it go, man.......


Golly gee whiz fly who's trembling? No one in the BF household. No disrespect fella but your comment sounds similar to the mind numbing drone of the southpaw collective. Normally, I ignore this caliber of comment but feel free to ignore me if it irritates you.

Actually, this finding is quite the revelation, and is to be published in this weeks edition of the Americam Medical Association Journal. The study is contrary to everything the HHS based their vaccine priority list on and validates exactly what I've been saying all along.

Who's your Daddy now you whiney trolls!

Not you fly. Wink


Just sayin......I got H1N1 a month ago, lasted two weeks, mainly respiratory, lowgrade fever, no vomiting, now I'm immune, and alive.

My youngest just got over non H1N1 this past weekend, vomitosis, etc. Alive and kicking.

I just don't buy into flu shots, panic or conspiracy in this case, sorry.


Sorry you and yours got the flu guy. Glad you all survived. Most healthy folks should but if a person is physically weak, like the elderly and disabled, it puts you at very high risk.

No reason to appologize.

The allotment of the flu vaccine, is very political.

WHO stopped short of making reccomendations because vaccine priority lists, are political, sadly. Just like war, deciding who lives and who dies is a decision mortals shouldn't have to make in peacetime at home.

Obama and Sebelius had three choices of how to distribute the vaccine.

1. To attempt stop, or slow, the spread.

2 To protect the infrastructure.

3. Limit the number of deaths.

This according to WHO.

Previous pandemics, resulted in large numbers of elderly passing away in a third wave that occurs in Jan-March, in the dead of winter. By the grace of God, hopefully, the elderly will be spared this time as even in the 21st century, the elderly and elderly disabled may enter the Jan-March 2010 period unvaccinated and extremely vulnerable to the third wave of the A/H1N1 pandemic.

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Post subject: Re: WSJ Report: Swine Flu deaths higher in the elderly
Posted: 03 Nov 2009 22:42 pm

Steve Quinn wrote

LibraryMan wrote

so older folks who get influenza and wind up hospitalized are more likely to die. Wow no doubt a conspiracy there

You really may want to consider a new hobby, I understand woodworking is nice.


You flunked English as a second language huh?

The elderly get the flu and die because they aren't being given flu shots. They aren't on a priority list for the immunization.

This is part and parcel of this administration's approach to the issue of health care for older people.


Okay, not my best post. However realize that healthy people between the ages of 24 and 65 are in the same boat in terms of priority so it's not as if seniors are being singled out. The thought has been that older folks had greater resistance to this one specific strand of flu.

Weren't they still given priority for regular flu shots this year?
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Posted: 04 Nov 2009 02:22 am
Rationing health care is necessary because the Bush Crime Family gave trillions of our dollars to the rich and powerful, bankrupting the country and making medical care less available to the loyal goose stepping C students.


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Posted: 04 Nov 2009 07:33 am

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This is what I've been saying all along. MSM is being very dishonest in saying the H1N1 flu is a "young people's disease." Now, the elderly aren't even included on any vaccine priority list. Babysitters and Gitmo prisoners, are a higher priority than the elderly and elderly disabled. This is a massive debacle by HHS Secretary Kathleen Sebelius. Very indicative of how our healthcare would be administered, by her, under ObamaCare....Bigfish

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By JENNIFER CORBETT DOOREN

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People age 50 and older who were hospitalized with the swine flu in California had the highest fatality rate from the illness, while those younger than 18 had the lowest death rates.

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Researchers from the California Department of Public Health looked at 1,088 cases of hospitalization and death attributed to H1N1 from April 23—shortly after the virus was discovered—through Aug. 11.

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The findings will be published in this week's Journal of the American Medical Association.

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While hospitalization rates in California were highest for infants and young adults ages 18 to 29 and lower for older people, the findings suggest older people who are hospitalized are more likely to die.

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"Despite reports that elderly persons may be 'protected' by pre-existing immunity, clinicians should closely monitor and promptly treat hospitalized patients with pandemic 2009 influenza A H1N1 infection," researchers wrote.



You need to look into what ISN'T being said. What is the rate of H1N1 infection for the elderly as opposed to children? Your own article admits that many of the elderly are already protected by at least some immunity. But it's really not surprising that the elderly, once admitted, are dying in higher numbers. After all, they're statistically MUCH more likely to have complications due to pre-existing health conditions.

Statistics can be twisted to say almost anything you want them to say, as long as you're willing to apply them selectively and omit the parts that DON'T support your thesis.
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