Maine Voters Reject Gay Marriage Law
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Posted: 08 Nov 2009 22:43 pm
gulfcoastblues wrote
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So now you're claiming to know more about psychological disorders than psychiatrists and psychologists? Somehow, I'm not surprised.... 
Maybe beev can educate us a little further.
Beev, since you seem to want homosexuality to be a mental disorder, upon which axis would you place it and why?
Yes, Beev. Tell us the justification for making homosexuality a mental disorder and how you propose to classify it diagnostically.
How is it possible that an attraction to anything other than the opposite sex to not be a mental disorder?
The normal mental state is to be attracted to adult humans of the opposite sex. To be sexually attracted to anything else, including humans of the same sex, children, animals or inanimate objects, a mental defect must be present.
The only question is whether this is a genetic or an acquired trait.
Because mental disorders are not based on averages--they're based on the degree to which they impair a person.
In fact, if a person is actively experiencing hallucinations that involve seeing dead people and engaging in conversations with said dead people, but still functioning without impairment in their occupational or social functioning, they do not qualify to be diagnosed with schizophrenia.
Sexual identity itself is never the direct cause for impairment in any significant psychosocial area. Therefore, it's not a mental disorder.
So it's not a mental "disorder", what would you call it - a mental "defect"?
No, it doesn't fit the criteria of a disorder or "defect." It doesn't result in people being unable to live happy, healthy lives. I'm very familiar with the DSM and use it on a daily basis. If homosexuality was in the DSM, it would be completely different than every other disorder or mental condition, because the vast majority of people who are homosexual are mentally healthy. Why would we diagnose people with a condition when they're mentally healthy?
I know of blind people who are healthy and happy, but I know of no one dumb enough to claim that they do not have a physical defect.
Well, that's because physical conditions have different criteria by which they're diagnosed, not to mention a completely different diagnostic system (ICD versus DSM). Mental disorders are based on observable impairment being common as the result of a specific set of behaviors/characteristics. Physical diagnoses are based on observable malformation/mutation/system failure. Physical diagnoses do not require an impairment in functioning to be made, because they are completely different from mental disorders.
But since you bring up physical diagnoses, there's not a physical diagnosis for homosexuality either. Why do you think that is?
So according to your standards, as long as a mental defect does not make one "unhealthy" or "unhappy" it's not a defect?
What about a sociopath in perfect health who is "happy" when he's killing prostitutes? How does someone with this mental defect fit into your very convenient description?
Actually, I didn't say the only criteria were happy or healthy. I said that in order to be a mental disorder, it has to cause "occupational/academic or social, or functional impairment." Being gay doesn't cause any of these; however, being a sociopath, particularly one who murders, kind of makes a dent in that whole social functioning thing...
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Posted: 08 Nov 2009 22:45 pm
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But since you bring up physical diagnoses, there's not a physical diagnosis for homosexuality either. Why do you think that is?
What about that limp wrist thing?
Soon, we might need a doctor to diagnose that for Slick if he keeps jerking us around like he is right now....
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Posted: 09 Nov 2009 09:30 am
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So it's not a mental "disorder", what would you call it - a mental "defect"?
I would call it what it is: a naturally-occurring normal variation in sexual orientation.
Is pedophilia a "naturally-occurring normal variation in sexual orientation"?
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Posted: 09 Nov 2009 09:32 am
StL_2007 wrote
gulfcoastblues wrote
StL_2007 wrote
gulfcoastblues wrote
StL_2007 wrote
gulfcoastblues wrote
StL_2007 wrote
gulfcoastblues wrote
StL_2007 wrote
Haakon wrote
StL_2007 wrote
So now you're claiming to know more about psychological disorders than psychiatrists and psychologists? Somehow, I'm not surprised....
Maybe beev can educate us a little further.
Beev, since you seem to want homosexuality to be a mental disorder, upon which axis would you place it and why?
Yes, Beev. Tell us the justification for making homosexuality a mental disorder and how you propose to classify it diagnostically.
How is it possible that an attraction to anything other than the opposite sex to not be a mental disorder?
The normal mental state is to be attracted to adult humans of the opposite sex. To be sexually attracted to anything else, including humans of the same sex, children, animals or inanimate objects, a mental defect must be present.
The only question is whether this is a genetic or an acquired trait.
Because mental disorders are not based on averages--they're based on the degree to which they impair a person.
In fact, if a person is actively experiencing hallucinations that involve seeing dead people and engaging in conversations with said dead people, but still functioning without impairment in their occupational or social functioning, they do not qualify to be diagnosed with schizophrenia.
Sexual identity itself is never the direct cause for impairment in any significant psychosocial area. Therefore, it's not a mental disorder.
So it's not a mental "disorder", what would you call it - a mental "defect"?
No, it doesn't fit the criteria of a disorder or "defect." It doesn't result in people being unable to live happy, healthy lives. I'm very familiar with the DSM and use it on a daily basis. If homosexuality was in the DSM, it would be completely different than every other disorder or mental condition, because the vast majority of people who are homosexual are mentally healthy. Why would we diagnose people with a condition when they're mentally healthy?
I know of blind people who are healthy and happy, but I know of no one dumb enough to claim that they do not have a physical defect.
Well, that's because physical conditions have different criteria by which they're diagnosed, not to mention a completely different diagnostic system (ICD versus DSM). Mental disorders are based on observable impairment being common as the result of a specific set of behaviors/characteristics. Physical diagnoses are based on observable malformation/mutation/system failure. Physical diagnoses do not require an impairment in functioning to be made, because they are completely different from mental disorders.
But since you bring up physical diagnoses, there's not a physical diagnosis for homosexuality either. Why do you think that is?
So according to your standards, as long as a mental defect does not make one "unhealthy" or "unhappy" it's not a defect?
What about a sociopath in perfect health who is "happy" when he's killing prostitutes? How does someone with this mental defect fit into your very convenient description?
Actually, I didn't say the only criteria were happy or healthy. I said that in order to be a mental disorder, it has to cause "occupational/academic or social, or functional impairment." Being gay doesn't cause any of these; however, being a sociopath, particularly one who murders, kind of makes a dent in that whole social functioning thing...
I guess you can distort any definition you want in order to make homosexuality seem perfectly normal. Fine, if it makes you feel better.
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