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Posted: 04 Nov 2009 19:22 pm
Last night's Governors races suggest that the Obama administration is a bit too far to the left.

The focus should be:

1) Finish Healthcare (too much invested to walk away).
2) Jobs, jobs, jobs creation.
3) Lay out a firm plan to begin moving out of this huge national debt.
4) Get out of the middle east.
5) Get into natural gas as a way to curtail our dependence on the Middle East.

From that point, drive the Democratic party toward the middle. Pelosi will have to step down. Too devisive.

Why race toward the middle? Easy. Dick Armey promised today that the Republicans we're making a serious effort to push out the moderates. Tim Pawlenty said within the last few days that he was NOT supportive of Olympia Snowe.

The Republican a driving their party further right and marginalizing themselves even more at the national level. LET THEM!

If the Dems will more more toward the middle of the road, they can run this country for a generation.
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Posted: 04 Nov 2009 19:27 pm
1 and 2 are part of 3

4 and 5? I'm not sure why you consider those "centrist".
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Posted: 04 Nov 2009 19:53 pm
Oh...you were watching the elections last night.
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Posted: 04 Nov 2009 20:12 pm

Berkeley wrote

1 and 2 are part of 3

4 and 5? I'm not sure why you consider those "centrist".


Regarding 4 and 5. Just think they have to be part of the overall plan to get the economy back on track.
And fuel/oil prices are rising again.

Taking money out of everyone's pocket and impact the economy in a negative way.

I have long thought oil / fuel prices was "centrist" in that it impacts everyone when prices rise at the pump.

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Posted: 04 Nov 2009 20:14 pm

thedjmic wrote

Oh...you were watching the elections last night.


Was there a point here?

I'm missing it if there was.

So sorry...
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Posted: 04 Nov 2009 20:20 pm

Cardsfaninnashville wrote

thedjmic wrote

Oh...you were watching the elections last night.


Was there a point here?

I'm missing it if there was.

So sorry...


The only way Dems (and Repubs) are going to find success is through the middle. Clinton's Hillarycare in '93 and rejection of radical values is case in point. He learned that he was going to have to govern from the center. This admin is learning the hard way.
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Posted: 04 Nov 2009 21:00 pm

thedjmic wrote

Cardsfaninnashville wrote

thedjmic wrote

Oh...you were watching the elections last night.


Was there a point here?

I'm missing it if there was.

So sorry...


The only way Dems (and Repubs) are going to find success is through the middle. Clinton's Hillarycare in '93 and rejection of radical values is case in point. He learned that he was going to have to govern from the center. This admin is learning the hard way.


The healthcare reform situation is very different now than it was in 1993. Individual healthcare and small and large business are struggling to pay for/keep their healthcare as cost climb far too fast.

I hold the insurance industry, their lobbyist and the current republican party, which is very far to the right and too entrenched to help the American people in the healthcare reform efforts.

The Republicans are using fear and stall tactics to try to defeat healthcare reform primarily b/c they believe it will hurt the POTUS and the Dems...

The Republican party leadership (Boehner, McConnell, Pawlenty, ect.) has never been so far to the right, so exclusive, and moving even further to the right.

Hillary Clinton's effort at this never had a chance because insurance was not really harming businesses in the early 1990's..

As far as radical values, we do agree. Bush43 was far right and eventually rejected (wihout 9-11 and Karl Rove, he would have been a one-termer).

I think lefties are very frustrated with the slow movement on healthcare and that the soldiers are not out of Iraq and back home, and the biggest that jobs have not come back from the meltdown at the end of he Bush era.

If jobs do bounce back in the next 12 months, the Dems will be okay. if not... Things will change again..
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Post subject: Re: Memo to the White House. Drive the center.
Posted: 04 Nov 2009 21:06 pm

Cardsfaninnashville wrote

Last night's Governors races suggest that the Obama administration is a bit too far to the left.

The focus should be:

1) Finish Healthcare (too much invested to walk away).


And grow the deficit, which was the source of much of the "anger" displayed yesterday? Nah.

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2) Jobs, jobs, jobs creation.


Jobs are created in climates where businesses can make money and people have money to spend.

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3) Lay out a firm plan to begin moving out of this huge national debt.


As stated, does not go hand in hand with 1. Obama already tried to say he would cut the deficit in half by 2012. How's that coming along?

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4) Get out of the middle east.


And get attacked again. We can say the war's over but that doesn't make it so. It takes a victor and a vanquished.

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5) Get into natural gas as a way to curtail our dependence on the Middle East.


Agree there--drill baby drill!

The repubs are not trying to go far right they are trying to go where Reagan operated. There has to be some party principle or why bother?
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Posted: 04 Nov 2009 21:09 pm

Cardsfaninnashville wrote

thedjmic wrote

Cardsfaninnashville wrote

thedjmic wrote

Oh...you were watching the elections last night.


Was there a point here?

I'm missing it if there was.

So sorry...


The only way Dems (and Repubs) are going to find success is through the middle. Clinton's Hillarycare in '93 and rejection of radical values is case in point. He learned that he was going to have to govern from the center. This admin is learning the hard way.


The healthcare reform situation is very different now than it was in 1993. Individual healthcare and small and large business are struggling to pay for/keep their healthcare as cost climb far too fast.

I hold the insurance industry, their lobbyist and the current republican party, which is very far to the right and too entrenched to help the American people in the healthcare reform efforts.

The Republicans are using fear and stall tactics to try to defeat healthcare reform primarily b/c they believe it will hurt the POTUS and the Dems...

The Republican party leadership (Boehner, McConnell, Pawlenty, ect.) has never been so far to the right, so exclusive, and moving even further to the right.

Hillary Clinton's effort at this never had a chance because insurance was not really harming businesses in the early 1990's..

As far as radical values, we do agree. Bush43 was far right and eventually rejected (wihout 9-11 and Karl Rove, he would have been a one-termer).

I think lefties are very frustrated with the slow movement on healthcare and that the soldiers are not out of Iraq and back home, and the biggest that jobs have not come back from the meltdown at the end of he Bush era.

If jobs do bounce back in the next 12 months, the Dems will be okay. if not... Things will change again..


It likens starting a new job. I know that when I have started in a new management position in the past, you come in with ideas, agenda...want to change everything at once. Then, you find out that you have to manage.
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Posted: 04 Nov 2009 21:28 pm

JohnDenny wrote

Cardsfaninnashville wrote

Last night's Governors races suggest that the Obama administration is a bit too far to the left.

The focus should be:

1) Finish Healthcare (too much invested to walk away).


And grow the deficit, which was the source of much of the "anger" displayed yesterday? Nah.

Quote

2) Jobs, jobs, jobs creation.


Jobs are created in climates where businesses can make money and people have money to spend.

Quote


3) Lay out a firm plan to begin moving out of this huge national debt.


As stated, does not go hand in hand with 1. Obama already tried to say he would cut the deficit in half by 2012. How's that coming along?

Quote

4) Get out of the middle east.


And get attacked again. We can say the war's over but that doesn't make it so. It takes a victor and a vanquished.

Quote


5) Get into natural gas as a way to curtail our dependence on the Middle East.


Agree there--drill baby drill!

The repubs are not trying to go far right they are trying to go where Reagan operated. There has to be some party principle or why bother?


1) Healthcare. Bankrupting working families every single day. And small business that the Right so lovingly speaks of. Where is an alternative comprehensive healthcare plan from the Republicans after all of these months? If this does not get FIXED, in 10 years HALF of this nation will NOT be able to afford insurance premiums.

2) Jobs. Having money to spend. Bush43 NEVER grasped this part. Tax breaks tailored tothe top and crushing/squeezing/bankrupting the majority of people that live in the MIDDLE. Without a strong economic MIDDLE, where most working people actually are, a country goes BANKRUPT. One of the causes of the economic meltdown overseen by that buffoon Bush43.

3) Affordable healthcare and tax breaks tailored for the MIDDLE CLASS (MAJORITY od SOCIETY, Republicans and Democrats and independents) absolutely go hand in hand with any economic recover and getting the deficit going the other way. More money available - more spending on goods and services - more work available.

4) We're going BANKRUPT in he MIDDLE EAST starting all of these stinking wars. Maybe if we stop interfering the animosity for the radicals over there with wane... This mess in the M.E. is unaffordable and has been for a long time.

5) Drill baby Drill indeed. But NOT FOR ALASKA OIL! Convert auto systems to Natural Gas. Abundant in the country. Tell the oil industry as it exist to kiss all of our rear-ends and the auto industry to work harded at converting autos to alternatives. Good place to start.

6) Funny about Reagan. He was thought of as an inclusive centrist Republican. He would NOT have been welcome in the current Republican party. I honestly believe that.
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Posted: 04 Nov 2009 21:28 pm

Cardsfaninnashville wrote

thedjmic wrote

Cardsfaninnashville wrote

thedjmic wrote

Oh...you were watching the elections last night.


Was there a point here?

I'm missing it if there was.

So sorry...


The only way Dems (and Repubs) are going to find success is through the middle. Clinton's Hillarycare in '93 and rejection of radical values is case in point. He learned that he was going to have to govern from the center. This admin is learning the hard way.


The healthcare reform situation is very different now than it was in 1993. Individual healthcare and small and large business are struggling to pay for/keep their healthcare as cost climb far too fast.

I hold the insurance industry, their lobbyist and the current republican party, which is very far to the right and too entrenched to help the American people in the healthcare reform efforts.

The Republicans are using fear and stall tactics to try to defeat healthcare reform primarily b/c they believe it will hurt the POTUS and the Dems...

The Republican party leadership (Boehner, McConnell, Pawlenty, ect.) has never been so far to the right, so exclusive, and moving even further to the right.

Hillary Clinton's effort at this never had a chance because insurance was not really harming businesses in the early 1990's..

As far as radical values, we do agree. Bush43 was far right and eventually rejected (wihout 9-11 and Karl Rove, he would have been a one-termer).

I think lefties are very frustrated with the slow movement on healthcare and that the soldiers are not out of Iraq and back home, and the biggest that jobs have not come back from the meltdown at the end of he Bush era.

If jobs do bounce back in the next 12 months, the Dems will be okay. if not... Things will change again..


Why do lefties have the mindset that little has changed over the past 100+ years?

There was a time and a place that the Rockefellers and the Carnegies and the JP Morgans ran things, people worked from dusk to dawn and got paid little, didn't own their own houses, etc.

You guys act as if nothing has improved. It's as if all industries are secretly out to screw everyone and only this benevolent monarchy called the government is looking out for you...

God forbid if an insurance company is allowed to make a profit... That's immoral. Instead you would put the government and the class of political hacks that go with it in charge of health care. As if they are free of any corrupting influences.

I'm okay with you thinking the government is best suited to provide healthcare coverage. I heavily disagree, but that is your opinion. However, must your side always create a villian and run them down to get what you want?

Any indication of anyone in any significant industry getting a big bonus and you guys freak out and want to throw the industry into the arms of the federal government. You use fuzzy statistic such as the total profit they made without regard to what percentage that actually is to justify how evil and greedy they are. For example, an insurance company might have 100 billion in costs, so a profit of 4% would be 4 billion. So, instead of giving context you might say they made 4 billion in profits and rip how greedy that is. Or they might have made 3% profit last year and you guys would crow about how their profits went up 50% if they made 4.5% profit this year. You use the 50% number to make it seem like they made obscene profits rather than the 1.5% increase.

Could you guys please stick to facts and context and not use hyperbole? Furthermore, could you not demonize your opponents for having an alternative position?
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Post subject: Re: Memo to the White House. Drive the center.
Posted: 04 Nov 2009 21:35 pm

Cardsfaninnashville wrote

Last night's Governors races suggest that the Obama administration is a bit too far to the left.

The focus should be:

1) Finish Healthcare (too much invested to walk away).
2) Jobs, jobs, jobs creation.
3) Lay out a firm plan to begin moving out of this huge national debt.
4) Get out of the middle east.
5) Get into natural gas as a way to curtail our dependence on the Middle East.

From that point, drive the Democratic party toward the middle. Pelosi will have to step down. Too devisive.

Why race toward the middle? Easy. Dick Armey promised today that the Republicans we're making a serious effort to push out the moderates. Tim Pawlenty said within the last few days that he was NOT supportive of Olympia Snowe.

The Republican a driving their party further right and marginalizing themselves even more at the national level. LET THEM!

If the Dems will more more toward the middle of the road, they can run this country for a generation.
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#5 is actually a big part of the reason we are still in Afghanistan.

Turkmenistan-Afghanistan-Pakistan Natural Gas Pipeline Project

http://www.adb.org/Documents/Articles/AFG/afg_2003001.asp




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IT'S THE PIPELINE, STUPID

Murray asserts that the primary motivation for US and British military involvement in central Asia has to do with large natural gas deposits in Turkmenistan and Uzbekistan. As evidence, he points to the plans to build a natural gas pipeline through Afghanistan that would allow Western oil companies to avoid Russia and Iran when transporting natural gas out of the region.


http://rawstory.com/2009/11/ambassador-cia-people-tortured/
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