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Posted: 04 Nov 2009 20:39 pm
http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=YWRiNjU3Y2E1ODMxMWNjOWNiM2U5MjcxNjhiZTljYWI=#more

Imagine a tribe where, for instance, many people shared their food with others or volunteered to defend the tribe from external attack. Now what would be the fate of individual cheaters who benefited from this arrangement but hoarded their own food and themselves refused to volunteer to fight? Clearly these scoundrels would have the best deal of all. In other words, cheaters could easily become free riders, benefiting from the sacrifices of others but making no sacrifices themselves, and they would be more likely to survive than their more altruistic fellow tribesmen.

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Posted: 04 Nov 2009 21:09 pm
Perhaps evolution itself is evolving.

Mankind is the cutting edge of earthly species and how we evolve by definition has never been done before.

Oh, I get it now. Nevermind.

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Posted: 04 Nov 2009 21:09 pm

castor431 wrote

http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=YWRiNjU3Y2E1ODMxMWNjOWNiM2U5MjcxNjhiZTljYWI=#more

Imagine a tribe where, for instance, many people shared their food with others or volunteered to defend the tribe from external attack. Now what would be the fate of individual cheaters who benefited from this arrangement but hoarded their own food and themselves refused to volunteer to fight? Clearly these scoundrels would have the best deal of all. In other words, cheaters could easily become free riders, benefiting from the sacrifices of others but making no sacrifices themselves, and they would be more likely to survive than their more altruistic fellow tribesmen.


Survival of the fittest is nature's rule. There isn't a valid comparison here.

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Posted: 04 Nov 2009 21:22 pm

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http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=YWRiNjU3Y2E1ODMxMWNjOWNiM2U5MjcxNjhiZTljYWI=#more

Imagine a tribe where, for instance, many people shared their food with others or volunteered to defend the tribe from external attack. Now what would be the fate of individual cheaters who benefited from this arrangement but hoarded their own food and themselves refused to volunteer to fight? Clearly these scoundrels would have the best deal of all. In other words, cheaters could easily become free riders, benefiting from the sacrifices of others but making no sacrifices themselves, and they would be more likely to survive than their more altruistic fellow tribesmen.


Beev has cowardly put me on ignore, so he won't see my comparison of his refusal to enlist in the military to the freeloaders he describes here.

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Posted: 04 Nov 2009 21:25 pm

FTFKyle wrote

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http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=YWRiNjU3Y2E1ODMxMWNjOWNiM2U5MjcxNjhiZTljYWI=#more

Imagine a tribe where, for instance, many people shared their food with others or volunteered to defend the tribe from external attack. Now what would be the fate of individual cheaters who benefited from this arrangement but hoarded their own food and themselves refused to volunteer to fight? Clearly these scoundrels would have the best deal of all. In other words, cheaters could easily become free riders, benefiting from the sacrifices of others but making no sacrifices themselves, and they would be more likely to survive than their more altruistic fellow tribesmen.


Survival of the fittest is nature's rule. There isn't a valid comparison here.


really? say poverty people who cheat the system by only taking and not giving? their numbers continue to increase, while the numbers of those who are doing the giving and defending are decreasing?

so how is that poverty program working on alleviating poverty? have the sheer numbers increased or decreased.

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Posted: 04 Nov 2009 21:37 pm

castor431 wrote

http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=YWRiNjU3Y2E1ODMxMWNjOWNiM2U5MjcxNjhiZTljYWI=#more

Imagine a tribe where, for instance, many people shared their food with others or volunteered to defend the tribe from external attack. Now what would be the fate of individual cheaters who benefited from this arrangement but hoarded their own food and themselves refused to volunteer to fight? Clearly these scoundrels would have the best deal of all. In other words, cheaters could easily become free riders, benefiting from the sacrifices of others but making no sacrifices themselves, and they would be more likely to survive than their more altruistic fellow tribesmen.


The problem is this: there is little penalty for the "scoundrel behavior". In the old days, it was considered shameful or something to be avoided if possible to ask for a handout. Meaning, people tried to make it on their own. Now, many people when they don't "have all their needs met" look for or demand a handout. Many politicians looking for votes are more than happy to oblige those people. This is where the system breaks down. Eventually, if enough people become takers rather than givers, the tribe WILL fail.

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Post subject: Re: Interesting comparison of biology to entitlement mentali
Posted: 04 Nov 2009 21:58 pm

castor431 wrote

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castor431 wrote

http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=YWRiNjU3Y2E1ODMxMWNjOWNiM2U5MjcxNjhiZTljYWI=#more

Imagine a tribe where, for instance, many people shared their food with others or volunteered to defend the tribe from external attack. Now what would be the fate of individual cheaters who benefited from this arrangement but hoarded their own food and themselves refused to volunteer to fight? Clearly these scoundrels would have the best deal of all. In other words, cheaters could easily become free riders, benefiting from the sacrifices of others but making no sacrifices themselves, and they would be more likely to survive than their more altruistic fellow tribesmen.


Survival of the fittest is nature's rule. There isn't a valid comparison here.


really? say poverty people who cheat the system by only taking and not giving? their numbers continue to increase, while the numbers of those who are doing the giving and defending are decreasing?

so how is that poverty program working on alleviating poverty? have the sheer numbers increased or decreased.


Isn't this apples to oranges? How do we know that the programs are the only cause of poverty? The top one percent continues to control a larger and larger percentage of wealth. Is this solely due to bottom feeders? This issue is vastly more complex then this.

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Posted: 04 Nov 2009 22:07 pm

castor431 wrote

http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=YWRiNjU3Y2E1ODMxMWNjOWNiM2U5MjcxNjhiZTljYWI=#more

Imagine a tribe where, for instance, many people shared their food with others or volunteered to defend the tribe from external attack. Now what would be the fate of individual cheaters who benefited from this arrangement but hoarded their own food and themselves refused to volunteer to fight? Clearly these scoundrels would have the best deal of all. In other words, cheaters could easily become free riders, benefiting from the sacrifices of others but making no sacrifices themselves, and they would be more likely to survive than their more altruistic fellow tribesmen.


Could easily be an article on the evils of Greed and Gluttony(sp)...

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Posted: 04 Nov 2009 22:47 pm
Interesting comparison of biology to entitlement mentality

You have never paid attention to biology before, why start now?

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Posted: 04 Nov 2009 22:50 pm
I like Neil Peart's take on the subject Smile

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There is unrest in the forest,
There is trouble with the trees,
For the maples want more sunlight
And the oaks ignore their pleas.

The trouble with the maples,
(And they're quite convinced they're right)
They say the oaks are just too lofty
And they grab up all the light.
But the oaks can't help their feelings
If they like the way they're made.
And they wonder why the maples
Can't be happy in their shade.

There was trouble in the forest,
And the creatures all have fled,
As the maples scream "Oppression!"
And the oaks just shake their heads

So the maples formed a union
And demanded equal rights.
"The oaks are just too greedy;
We will make them give us light."
Now there's no more oak oppression,
For they passed a noble law,
And the trees are all kept equal
By hatchet, axe, and saw.

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Posted: 05 Nov 2009 01:55 am
As much as I love Neil Peart, that's not how biology works either.

Oak's get outgrown by maples.

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Post subject: Re: Interesting comparison of biology to entitlement mentali
Posted: 05 Nov 2009 02:29 am

castor431 wrote


Imagine a tribe where, for instance, many people shared their food with others or volunteered to defend the tribe from external attack.


No, castor, that's not how the song goes. It goes like this:

Imagine a man
When it all began
The pilot of Enola Gay
Flying out of the shockwave
On that August day
All the powers that be
And the course of history
Would be changed forevermore...



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